derwent wrote:Trying to compare two pieces of 12 inch pizza with two pieces of 18 inch pizza is in itself a bit silly. What about quality versus quantity. Biggest isn't always best. Mr Salopian seems to like football analogies so what about the quantity of Steve Howard against the diminutive Lionel Messi.
Two slices of Messi is much preferable to two slices of Howard.
You can try and complicate the issue as much as you like but it is all designed to baffle people with science which is a polite description of bullshit.
I'll stay in the UK free of EU shackles which is my choice, whereas you have a choice of 27 venues to take your chance in.
If you aren't prepared to respect the will of the UK people and are so desperate to be European then off you go, with my best wishes.
Time will tell who has made the best choice.
Find me the point where I personally have said I don't respect the will of the people. You'll be a long time looking. Though of course if you want to see someone who didn't want to accept a 52-48 Referendum Vote, you could always ask, er, Nigel Farage (Link:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics- ... m-36306681) who before the Referendum argued that a close vote wouldn't be the final word on the issue.
The above is all about the consequences of a No-Deal Brexit, this does not imply no Brexit is the alternative - leaving with a deal is a much better choice than that at the moment, though the ideologically pure (who despite appearances are probably not the majority of Leavers) seem to doubt that. The question then is what deal can we get - and that comes up against the reality of us not being in a position where we can dictate terms to the EU. To be fair to Boris, this is partly because May has spent the last two and a half years cooking up a fudge that turned out to be disliked by pretty much everyone - even those who voted for it in the end. He however seems to have decided that the blame for the inevitable crashing out should rest with the EU, and not him - not when he's finally climbed the greasy pole and wants to stay up there for a while. So the narrative will be to go into negotiations with all guns blazing, telling (not asking) the EU that these are all the things we want, in the knowledge that we won't get them - and then tell everyone that those dastardly Europeans didn't want to do a deal at all.
The question is still though, why should they just roll over for us? We're leaving, stopping paying into the budget, and have shown our continuing contempt for them by sending the likes of Farage and Widdecombe to the European Parliament; why should we expect them to say that yes, we can have tariff-free trade, no, we won't hold you to EU Regulations, yes, we'll continue to co-operate on Air Traffic Control, Atomic Energy, Science Research, Europol, and the dozens of other things that benefit us, and of course we won't have to accept free movement of people, or even the Metric System if the Moggster doesn't like it, and no, we won't have to pay anything for all of this....
News breaking this morning that PSA, owners of Vauxhall, are saying that if Brexit makes it unprofitable, they'll switch the new Astra from Ellesmere Port to elsewhere in Europe. This is real folks, this is what No-Deal Brexit threatens; in the current globalised economy, unless we have free trade deals with major trading blocs (the EU being one of the biggest and of course the closest), tariffs mean extra cost for manufacturing that they can avoid by going elsewhere. And they will.
