Carlisle seek kick it out advice over fancy dress theme

Chrissy Stevo · **Posted:** Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:34 pm

Kevin Dixon wrote:

There wasn't much fuss when Sol Campbell painted his face white, what is the difference.

I agree with this, hadn't seen it until this came out but it's a good question.

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yloop · **Posted:** Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:37 pm

No idea, don't think anyone on here can answer that.

Two wrongs don't make a right though...

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

And pools say nothing on it.

Green backing his mate again?

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Dalton'sHaircut · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1013

Just been reading the FB page, sweet baby Jesus and the orphans......it's everyone else's fault and the worlds gone mad/country going to the dogs etc etc.

I give up honestly I do. I accept that the general intent may have not been racist but the inability of people to even do the slightest research to understand why it does offend some and likening it to Oompa Loompah's and Smurfs is unbelievable.

Are people really that fucking ignorant? We know the answer sadly. But apparently that makes me a do gooder

Chrissy Stevo · **Posted:** Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:44 pm

Dalton'sHaircut wrote:

Just been reading the FB page, sweet baby Jesus and the orphans......it's everyone else's fault and the worlds gone mad/country going to the dogs etc etc.

I give up honestly I do. I accept that the general intent may have not been racist but the inability of people to even do the slightest research to understand why it does offend some and likening it to Oompa Loompah's and Smurfs is unbelievable.

Are people really that fucking ignorant? We know the answer sadly. But apparently that makes me a do gooder

I think it's more thick than ignorant in some cases with regards to comparing it to oompa lumpas, smurfs and penguins.

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Mute Witness · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:10 am **Posts:** 3572

Just listened to the BBC Tees interview with John Walter Mitty Shithead. I understand his explanation of Bob Marley but I feel as soon it became apparent there was an issue the club should have made it clear blacking up was not to be involved. People like Manor Lad threatening to black up has caused concern and it's spiralled into what we have now.

I never read anywhere on here where anybody accused them of being racist, just people concerned of what could happen and how it could be perceived.

We were always going to have some idiots blacking up and some idiots threatened to dress up as rasta bananas. They may not have been part of the fancy dress group connected with John Pearsons but the fact some people were threatening to do this meant something needed to be said and Kick It Out are 100% correct to issue a statement.

It's just a shame Pools waited for Kick It Out before issuing a statement. The moment Hartlepool found themselves deleting comment after comment on the facebook page was the moment they should have acted. Why they didn't, only they can answer. If the organisers intentions were to have a tribute to Bob Marley I don't blame them, I don't blame Kick It Out or even the people who complained. I 100% blame Pools.

The only explanation I can come up with why they didn't nip it in the bud was to play fans against each other so fans would argue, blame certain forums and maybe to ignite an opposing supporters trust as many of the people on this forum have organised the supporters trust.

I guess we'll never know but we all need to stick together and not incidents like this tear us apart.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Mute Witness wrote:

Just listened to the BBC Tees interview with John Walter Mitty Shithead. I understand his explanation of Bob Marley but I feel as soon it became apparent there was an issue the club should have made it clear blacking up was not to be involved. People like Manor Lad threatening to black up has caused concern and it's spiralled into what we have now.

I never read anywhere on here where anybody accused them of being racist, just people concerned of what could happen and how it could be perceived.

We were always going to have some idiots blacking up and some idiots threatened to dress up as rasta bananas. They may not have been part of the fancy dress group connected with John Pearsons but the fact some people were threatening to do this meant something needed to be said and Kick It Out are 100% correct to issue a statement.

It's just a shame Pools waited for Kick It Out before issuing a statement. The moment Hartlepool found themselves deleting comment after comment on the facebook page was the moment they should have acted. Why they didn't, only they can answer. If the organisers intentions were to have a tribute to Bob Marley I don't blame them, I don't blame Kick It Out or even the people who complained. I 100% blame Pools.

The only explanation I can come up with why they didn't nip it in the bud was to play fans against each other so fans would argue, blame certain forums and maybe to ignite an opposing supporters trust as many of the people on this forum have organised the supporters trust.

I guess we'll never know but we all need to stick together and not incidents like this tear us apart.

This

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Pirlo's Beard. · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:09 pm **Posts:** 300

To just put it out there: anyone who complained about their own supporters is an absolute dickhead.

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

I was speaking to someone on Thursday evening who is convinced that the club are very much behind the whole thing to cause a shitstorm and render us 'un-buyable'

He referred to it as the last spiteful act of a regime that wants us to disappear, or reappear as 'saviours' again.

I'm not so sure I agree, but it was a very well articulated argument !

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

I once reported a colleague who turned up for work very very drunk

Dalton'sHaircut · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1013

Ok Chris but do you accept and understand the historical and cultural reasons why black people may be offended by people blacking up? Simple question?

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

'Load of bollocks'. There we have it chaps. I think the argument ends there !!

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

bresslaw wrote:

I was speaking to someone on Thursday evening who is convinced that the club are very much behind the whole thing to cause a shitstorm and render us 'un-buyable'

He referred to it as the last spiteful act of a regime that wants us to disappear, or reappear as 'saviours' again.

I'm not so sure I agree, but it was a very well articulated argument !

I've just said this to another pools fan, well something similar.

yloop · **Posted:** Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:19 pm

That's ok then, 2 wrongs make a right and we can all go blacking up because Sol Campbell whited up.

Regardless of any action/non action against him the point still stands.

kosherOY · **Posted:** Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:22 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfoVVRDU378

Very soon the UKplc will ban satire and wipe all past episodes of "Spitting Image" and anything from the 1970s which now contravenes the new Liberalised 'British Values' laws.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:22 pm

MadJohn wrote:

Dalton'sHaircut wrote:

Ok Chris but do you accept and understand the historical and cultural reasons why black people may be offended by people blacking up? Simple question?

I am genuinely staggered that some people don't appreciate the difference between the two situations. I can only assume that the ignorance is feigned.

thank the fucking Lord. I thought I was completely surrounded by idiots.

billygoatblue · **Joined:** Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:30 am **Posts:** 606

Dalton'sHaircut wrote:

Ok Chris but do you accept and understand the historical and cultural reasons why black people may be offended by people blacking up? Simple question?

Exactly, furthermore I think you'll find Sol Campbell wearing white face was meant to be controversial. It reminds black voters of the inequalities and prejudices they have fought and the importance of having a political voice to aid change.

poshkev · **Joined:** Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:49 pm **Posts:** 277

unruly poolie wrote:

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/last-day-carlisle-uytd-match-alert-over-bob-marley-theme-fans-1.1207674

You would of thought Pools might of asked them before publicly backing it!

Really. !!!!

Dalton'sHaircut · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1013

billygoatblue wrote:

Dalton'sHaircut wrote:

Ok Chris but do you accept and understand the historical and cultural reasons why black people may be offended by people blacking up? Simple question?

And I think you'll find Sol Campbell wearing white face was meant to be controversial. It reminds black voters of the inequalities and prejudices they have fought and the importance of having a political voice to aid change.

Right so in that case what is wrong with that? Seems like a good point to me

billygoatblue · **Joined:** Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:30 am **Posts:** 606

Dalton'sHaircut wrote:

billygoatblue wrote:

Dalton'sHaircut wrote:

Ok Chris but do you accept and understand the historical and cultural reasons why black people may be offended by people blacking up? Simple question?

And I think you'll find Sol Campbell wearing white face was meant to be controversial. It reminds black voters of the inequalities and prejudices they have fought and the importance of having a political voice to aid change.

Right so in that case what is wrong with that? Seems like a good point to me

Sorry was more of a further continuation of your argument rather than a disagreement. Have edited it to read better.

Manor lad · **Joined:** Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:44 pm **Posts:** 82

What the fuck as this got to do with the club??? Ffs.... All they said was what the fancy dress was... I really wonder if some of you idiots really support pools...

unruly poolie · **Joined:** Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:12 pm **Posts:** 1015

Collymore has come out as pro the fancy dress final nail in the coffin of the FDE

Pirlo's Beard. · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:09 pm **Posts:** 300

Absolutely, stuff like is bang out so that's fair enough and as you say totally different circumstances, but why anyone would go grassing people up to kick it out, defies belief. I mean reporting people for something where no 'offence' has been committed is incredible.

Bad grasses is all they are. Jumping on the bandwagon to show themselves as more cultured and accepting than "the rest of 'em".

If anyone wants to write a letter to the FA asking for a ban on fancy dress feel free, but until then, get a life.

Compo · **Posted:** Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:55 pm

Have you ever thought then "grassing up" might be black?

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Can we go back a few weeks to when this idea was originally revealed and look at the thread n people did say this wouldn't go down well.

So yeah it's proving it won't go down well

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Pirlo's Beard. · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:09 pm **Posts:** 300

Compo wrote:

Have you ever thought then "grassing up" might be black?

Slipped my mind that. Victoria park is a hugely diverse crowd. Maybe one was African, the other Indian, one Pakastani and maybe an Inuit and an aboriginal as well?

Kevin Dixon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:04 am **Posts:** 1432

billygoatblue wrote:

Dalton'sHaircut wrote:

Ok Chris but do you accept and understand the historical and cultural reasons why black people may be offended by people blacking up? Simple question?

And I think you'll find Sol Campbell wearing white face was meant to be controversial. It reminds black voters of the inequalities and prejudices they have fought and the importance of having a political voice to aid change.

you can see what is coming next from Campbell that we should have a black PM and not enough black MP

unruly poolie · **Joined:** Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:12 pm **Posts:** 1015

"Bad grasses" ROFL

Maybe they had concerns that Pools were clearly ignoring and didn't want the embarrassment of people blacking up at the game.

Surely you know you are wrong when Collymore supports you!

Compo · **Posted:** Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:59 pm

Pirlo's Beard. wrote:

Compo wrote:

Have you ever thought then "grassing up" might be black?

Slipped my mind that. Victoria park is a hugely diverse crowd. Maybe one was African, the other Indian, one Pakastani and maybe an Inuit and an aboriginal as well?

And that there in lies the problem! If we where a team in bham London etc it wouldn't be an issue but we are from a out post in north east where people already think we a out of touch. This just adds fuel to fire.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Compo wrote:

Pirlo's Beard. wrote:

Compo wrote:

Have you ever thought then "grassing up" might be black?

Slipped my mind that. Victoria park is a hugely diverse crowd. Maybe one was African, the other Indian, one Pakastani and maybe an Inuit and an aboriginal as well?

And that there in lies the problem! If we where a team in bham London etc it wouldn't be an issue but we are from a out post in north east where people already think we a out of touch. This just adds fuel to fire.

I just think why even do something that people can abuse and can do wrong. 99 out of 100 people might go in just wigs but 1 goes blacked up then u got a problem.

Why even bother?

What's he doing next year BBC top of the pops presenters from the 60 n 70s?

Welsh emo bands from the early millennium?

Can't help but think this is all planned

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bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

If the dress code had been Minnions or any of 100's of other ideas the last 3 weeks shit-storm would not have happened

Everybody would have been looking forward to it. The BBC, an anti racism organisation, the general media etc etc
Would not have been involved

Just saying !!!

Pirlo's Beard. · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:09 pm **Posts:** 300

Can appreciate that.

At the end of the day, for me the problem is that there was never any intention to go blacked up, people jumped to conclusions and the hysteria that arose because of it has led the odd one or two to defend "the freedom of paint".

I don't believe anyone will go blacked up.

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

Manor Lad is. He's already said !!

Manor lad · **Joined:** Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:44 pm **Posts:** 82

whatever the dress code......youse lot would of moaned........... call yourselves pools fans!!!

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:21 pm

he's only here to stir up shit anyway

Pirlo's Beard. · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:09 pm **Posts:** 300

bresslaw wrote:

Manor Lad is. He's already said !!

He's not.

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

Has he bottled it like

Compo · **Posted:** Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:24 pm

Are you thick not to even realise why this is a shit storm waiting to happen? Any you saying oh fuck the pc brigade won't change that you idiot

Manor lad · **Joined:** Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:44 pm **Posts:** 82

misterb2001 wrote:

he's only here to stir up shit anyway

I am here to watch you make a dick of yourself!!!so carry on

Manor lad · **Joined:** Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:44 pm **Posts:** 82

bresslaw wrote:

Has he bottled it like

you for one wouldnt make me bottle it fella!!!

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

Are you blacking up

Manor lad · **Joined:** Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:44 pm **Posts:** 82

bresslaw wrote:

Are you blacking up

ye

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

why the 'threatening' tone

Manor lad · **Joined:** Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:44 pm **Posts:** 82

bresslaw wrote:

why the 'threatening' tone

ohhh ffs.......... are you for real fella???? violin

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

Not sure what you are getting at

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

Despite all that has been said by the kick it out campaign by the official site and buy everybody on here are you telling me that you are still a blacking up to go to the Carlisle game

Manor lad · **Joined:** Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:44 pm **Posts:** 82

bresslaw wrote:

Despite all that has been said by the kick it out campaign by the official site and buy everybody on here are you telling me that you are still a blacking up to go to the Carlisle game

Yes I dont give a fuck about youse lot on here........ or the poxy kick it out shite.........

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

The Prosecution rests M'lud !

Manor lad · **Joined:** Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:44 pm **Posts:** 82

bresslaw wrote:

The Prosecution rests M'lud !

bore of...., idiot.......

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

But they have pretty much said that if you black up you won't get in the ground.

So if you do it and travel to Carlisle it strikes me as a bit of a waste of a day.

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