Much as I view the EDL are pathetic braindead thugs, I make no bones about the fact that I mistrust Muslims. This is not based on any issues about skin colour, some of you will know that my missus is a Hindu so its not an ant asian thing.

I have witnessed first hand the growing danger in the Muslim community, especially in the younger generation. They may not be rabid Al Queda activists but they have a sympathy towards them and their objective of ruling the world.

Nor am I talking about a small group either. My strong impression is that the majority of young muslims side with this ideology. Islamic extremists are a growing danger but as much of a danger is the next level down which whilst not being suicide bombers are committed to ruling the world.

I'll tell you something else; the Hindu and Sikh communities mistrust the Muslims far more than the likes of me.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/English-Defence-League

Anyone in any doubt about EDL should read what Searchlight have to say. See the link.

Searchlight have been monitoring far-right organisations in the UK for decades & know their stuff.

Suggest a check on Billy Bragg's facebook page/website too . Both feature a recent "expose" on EDL.

Don't be taken in by the EDL . They're the new BNP but not as organised , yet.

Give them a wide berth.

Why go to Searchlight to get info on the EDL when you can come and hear it straight from the source?

Instead of speculating on who we are and forming opinions based on biased and negative viewpoints, why don't you come on over to our forum and see what we are about and then you can make an informed judgement.

We are ordinary people from all walks, races and religious and sexual persuasions who are very concerned about a very credible threat to this country and our culture. Some of us are even football supporters!

Anyway I am not here to sell it to you but merely to give you the opportunity to come visit our forum and see who we are and make up your own minds based on the truth.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/index/

You don't have to register to view the forum but you will to join in any of the discussions.

Happy New Year.

jesus, all this over a flag if people feel so strongly against this flag why don't you go rip it down or better still confront the noddies who are chanting the EDL shite. seems to me alot of people on here have no problem airing there oppinions whilst hiding behind a keyboard but when it comes to doing it in person they just dont have the bottle and before anyone starts i am not an EDL supporter or a racist infact being a serving soldier and having done 2 tours of afghan and 1 of iraq being compared to these bellends is an insult

For those who feel that the EDL are just a bunch of knuckle dragging racists, you might like to consider this collection of news articles from the last 2 months. Most are from outside the UK and I, for one, don't want this imported here. The attacks average one every 3 days. Ditto for anti-Christian acts:

Attacks in last 2 months
27/10/10,US: Subway bomb plot DC area,http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39872773/ns/us_news-security/,
30/10/10,US/GB:Bomb on Cargo Plane,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11657486,
01/11/10,Iraq: 52 dead in church attack,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11664861,
02/11/10,Baghdad attack,http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101102/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq,
06/11/10,US: Fort Hood massacre,http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8357661.stm,
08/11/10,Iraq: 2 more Christians murdered,http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Two-Christian-brothers-killed-in-Mosul-20061.html,
11/11/10,Pakistan: Bombing of security HQ,http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8358109.stm,
,,,
27/11/10,US:Oregon Xmas Tree lighting bomb attempt,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11852953,
27/11/10,US: Throwing explosives at cars,http://www.wset.com/Global/story.asp?S=13574309,
04/12/10,Austria: Chechen held for plotting jihad attack on Nato base,http://www.expatica.com/be/news/belgian-news/austrian-police-hold-chechen-in-belgium-

attack-probe_115126.html,
07/12/10,US:Baltimore suspect arrested for plotting attack on army

base,http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Person_Arrested_In_Baltimore_Bomb_Plot_111529059.html,
08/12/10,India: bomb attack on Hindu temple,http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B72R520101208,
08/12/10,Pakistan: Bomb attack,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11946802,
12/12/10,Sweden: Suicide bomber,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11977524,
20/12/10,UK: 12 arrested in anti-terror op,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12037673,
21/12/10,Plot to poison US salad bars,http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340481/U-S-buffets-salad-bars-threatened-poison-attacks-Al-Qaeda-group-ink-

cartridge-bomb-plot.html,
22/12/10,Kenya: Bus attack,http://foundation.reuters.com/alertnet/news/kenya-charges-two-with-al-shabaab-membership/,
28/12/10,Nigeria: 3 arrested on way to bomb church,http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/12/27/nigeria.violence/,
29/12/10,Nigeria: Islamist sect claim responsibility for bombings,http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/8228816/Radical-

Islamist-sect-claims-responsibility-for-Nigeria-church-attacks.html,
29/12/10,Denmark: Mumbai style attack foiled,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12089543,
31/12/10,Pakistan: Military tankers torched,http://www.military-world.net/Afghanistan/4794.html,
31/12/10,Russia: 50 Islam leaders killed for being moderate,http://www.abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&id=219049,
31/12/10,Nigeria: Bomb kills atleast 4,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12099176,
01/01/11,Egypt: car bomb outside church kills 21,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12101748,

Anti-Christian Acts in last 2 months

27/10/10,Other News,Bangladesh: Christians falsely accused,http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/bangladesh/27653/
27/10/10,Other News,India: Christian Professors hand chopped off for blasphemy,http://ibnlive.in.com/news/kerala-man-accused-of-chopping-hand-wins-

poll/133952-37-64.html
28/10/10,Other News,Malaysia: Bibles torn up,http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=8085
06/11/10,Asia News,Kuwait: Building of church stopped,http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Islamic-fundamentalists-preventing-the-construction-of-a-church-in-

Kuwait-19912.html
07/11/10,Asia News,Pakistan: Christian sentenced to death for blasphemy,http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Punjab:-Christian-woman-sentenced-to-death-for-

blasphemy-19940.html
13/11/10,Other NewsE:\EDL\OtherNews\Attacks\20101208-India says local Islamists bombed pilgrim city Top News Reuters.mht,Afghanistan: Death sentence for

converting to Christianity,http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Two-Afghan-converts-to-Christianity-risk-the-death-penalty-20123.html
13/11/10,Other News,Iran: Christian convert sentenced to death,http://www.newsamen.com/101393/iran-sentenced-to-death-pastor-who-converted-to-christianity
16/11/10,AP,Egypt: Christian homes burnt,http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101116/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_sectarian_violence
22/11/10,Other News,Iraq: Two Christians shot,http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Two-Christian-brothers-killed-in-Mosul-20061.html
22/11/10,Other News,Moscow: Orthodox Church bombed,web page removed
24/11/10,Other News,Egypt: Crosses burnt,http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Aki/English/Religion/Egypt-Coptic-pope-Shenuda-III-deplores-anti-Christian-

violence_311304462625.html
30/11/10,Other News,Egypt: Christians shot dead,http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Aki/English/Religion/Egypt-Coptic-pope-Shenuda-III-deplores-anti-Christian-

violence_311304462625.html
01/12/10,Other News,Pakistan: 5 Christians murdered for blasphemy,http://mnnonline.org/article/15028
03/12/10,Other News,Ethiopia: 3 years for Christian for 'defacing koran',http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/ethiopia/29023/
05/12/10,AP,Iraq: Another two Christians shot,http://www.aina.org/news/20101205140738.htm
10/12/10,Other News,Pakistan: 10 killed in bomb blast,http://www.thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?

headline=Bomb+kills+at+least+10+in+northwest+Pakistan&NewsID=268952
25/12/10,Sudan News,Sudan:Calls for imposition of Sharia on whole country including Christians,http://allafrica.com/stories/201012280653.html
30/12/10,Other News,Malaya: Church told no hymns etc during PrimeMinister's visit,http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/paranoid-aides-told-

church-to-remove-crosses-for-najib-visit/
30/12/10,Telegraph,Iraq: More Christians killed,http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/8232511/Iraqi-Christians-killed-in-series-of-

Baghdad-attacks.html
31/12/10,Other News,Cyprus: Turkish troops menace Christian churches,http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/12/turkish-muslim-troops-stop-

church-services-im-cyprus-on-christmas-defrock-priests.html
31/12/10,Other News,Maldives: Restaurant in trouble for Christmas decorations,http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article1018867.ece
31/12/10,Other News,Kosovo: Christians harassed,http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2010/12/22/feature-03
31/12/10,Other News,Iraq: More Christians killed,http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gJ5Y0MR9Yxe8hj1nC4MG9NHZ-EOQ?

docId=195a4dafadc64de98403c34df57a322b
01/01/11,BBC,Egypt: car bomb outside church kills 21,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12101748
01/01/11,BBC,Egypt: car bomb outside church kills 21,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12101748

I think you've missed the point somewhat. This isn't just about a flag it is what it represents and like yourself some people have a opinion about us but where did you get that opinion? Is it based on what you were told? What you heard or did you make the effort and go and find out for yourself?

For serving your country we salute you and you have our deepest respect and admiration but based on your comments that is where it ends.

What exactly were you doing in Iraq and in Afghanistan? What were you fighting for? More importantly who were you fighting against? At least one of your answers will be Freedom. Freedom of oppression, freedom of expression and freedom from a cruel and wicked ideology that is the Taliban, Al-Quaida etc.

I find it sad that somebody as brave as you who put their life on the line for your country and for others holds these short-sighted views and that you feel that once you got back to civvie street that your fight was over. For let me tell you that the very same cruel and wicked ideology that you were fighting against over there is alive and well over here aided and abetted by political correctness, human rights and other things such as 'social cohesion' and people like you who for whatever reason can't see passed the end of their noses.

Make no mistake that radical islam is at war with us on our very doorsteps and just because there are no bullets whizzing passed your ears or rpg's being fired at you that it isn't true. Wake up!

Ok. This is a message board for supporters of Hartlepool United, a mighty fine League 1 football club. People tend not to come on here shopping for political enlightenment or instruction, so kindly take your dogma somewhere it may have a chance of being even remotely relevant.

And whilst you're at it, grow a pair son.

I'm confused: how does this stop you being a knuckle dragging racist?

The EDL are a bunch of idiots, using an anti-islamic dogma to justify causing trouble and behaving like thugs on the streets of the UK.

The anti-islamic stance has been taken to include Hindus and Sikhs, which backs up the 'we are not racist' mantra.

I have been and looked at the EDL forum and have now first hand seen that in fact their discussions are often racist in nature (Yes guys using words like Muzzies is racist) they have a mistrust and hatred of islam and will use any means to get stupid people to agree with them. An awful lot of the posters are barely literate and probably haven't the sense to go and find out facts for themselves.

Anyway, it is nice to know that there are plenty of deluded tax dodgers willing to hide behind a mask and shout abuse in the name of protecting us from a few blokes with imaginary friends.

I had a look on that messageboard but a lot of it seemed fairly incoherent and garbled to me - just because you post something on a board doesn't make it true!

Just out of interest, who is the person getting hit in the face with a bottle in the clip on your posts and why do you include that?

Wasn't it Nick Griffin who coined the "cruel and evil ideology" phrase?

First i was in those countries because it's what i'm payed to do, nothing more nothing less couldn't give a fook about saddam or the taliban neither could most squaddies it's just a job to us and a job we love

secondly i've seen first hand that the EDL are a bunch of noddies who leg it when fronted. i was in brum for the first march and got dragged along to that pathetic march by a pal and when me and said pal stood and fronted the asian lot who were lobbing bottles at us and the EDL ran that ended it for me. i'd rather stand with the asian kids at least they have some bottle about them

We are not at cross purposes. None of the above qualities preclude you from being knuckle dragging racists.

All of the USA ones have been made up by the Americans to keep ther fear levels there. Uncannily the EDL would not as near as much shite and bad press in USA.

I make no bones about my concerns about Muslims but the way you lot go on about it is not the answer. It needs political will, which is not really there and copious intelligence activity, which is. The more conservative Muslims needs supporting and more integration in order to influence the potential radicals.

I don't go along with Chip's programme, it sounds too much like Harold MacMillan to me. I think that the radicals should be dealt with ruthlessly - more guantanamos if neccesary, and penalties for even associating with radicals. We should also make far greater use of the laws relating to kicking these people out of the country, whether they were born here or not.

The likes of those arseholes in Luton who burned the poppies should have been arrested on the spot and charged with incitement to riot. That said, you lot shouting Allah is a paedo is much the same thing and deserves a similar response.

By the way, as far as using Searchlight as a reference, well thats like using Mein Kampf to study the benefits of Judeism.

Another conspiracy theorist. What about the ones that aren't from the USA?




Firstly, Islam is not a race it is a religion and what I quoted were simply news articles from the last 2 months illustrating one attack (planned or actual) every 3 days on average. How does that make me a rightwing, knuckle dragging racist? Before you criticize, I suggest you might usefully spend some time reading the Koran and also about Sharia law. Then consider, would you want to live under it as a non-Muslim?

It's so much more than that to the Muslims. The big difference is that its Islam first before any national or racial alligience. Hence the 'my brothers in Iraq/Afghanistan' quoted by the suicide bombers.

Not sure I understand that analogy Do you mean that because Searchlight has an avowedly anti-fascist position it can't be objective about fascists? In the same way that Hitler wasn't objective about his anti-semitism? So logically anyone with a political position of whatever slant will always purport to be objective (but can't be) whilst actually promoting their own political position?

How about we disregard it as much as the stuff spouted by the EDL? Its about as extreme.

What's your position on sharia finance?

No, I mean that it has a vast track record of exaggerating and slanting any information towards its own agenda. It only ever tells one side of the story.

I don't think you could have read many posts on the EDL forum. I think you will find many are literate and well thought out. A for incoherent, perhaps there are none as blind as those that don't want to see.

Don't all political organisations do just that to a greater or lesser extent? How do you differentiate between propaganda and fact without doing an in-depth study like you apparently have with Searchlight? fsctatchinghead

If it is private companies offering it, it needs to be available to everyone on the same terms and publicised equally to all. If it is state funding, student tution fees for example, then one set of rules for all. No exceptions because of religion and the rules should conform with normal practice and precedent in the UK.

Aren't HSBC the market leader?

Why is it that every time someone speaks out against Islmaic nutters, they're branded a racist?

I thinik the EDL have a good point. This country's being Islamified and it's a terrorist breeding ground for every psycho bomber of late. It's good that the EDL are trying to do something about it.

The EDL aren't Nazis. Islamic fundamentalists are Nazis. In fact they were Nazi collaborators during the war. I guess it's part of Islam's anti Jew agneda.

That's proving to be a very difficult question it seems.......surely the EDL stewards could deal with the nazi saluters?

As far as I know the EDL stewards work very closely with the police to weed out any undesirables. The EDL are not racists as the media and the left wing liars would have you believe. Check out their forum and you'll see they're just ordinary blokes from all walks of life, worried about the rise in Islamic terror attacks and the ever increasing number of Islamic ghettos (no go areas) in our country. This, coupled with a government that promotes mass immigration on an unpresidented scale from Islamic countries, it's little wonder the EDL were formed. Have you all seen the latest UKIP video? Very, very worrying!

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/v/5FHSqX6h1qI

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/v/HE_YJ9-ngpI

I've only ever seen one photo at one of their earlier demos. The rest of tye pics are just guys waving at their mates, posted all over the net by so called 'anti-fascists' to make the EDL look like racsits. These so called anti-fascists are the ones who side with Islamo-fascists in an anti-jew, anti-gay, anti-British agenda.

If you want to see fascist salutes, look at Islam:













Now, there are a million and one photos on the internet of Islamic psychos giving the Nazi salute. The sided with the SS during WWII and they still rant about killing all the Jews. These are the people the so called "anti-fascists" support and align with, it's bonkers.

Please, don't try the YouTube propaganda. If you really think you can win an arguement using YouTube vids then let's analyse this one from a UK demo:

Why do you choose to ignore the overwhelming evidence that Islam is a Nazi ideology?

Oh come off it, who are you trying to kid. You are all knuckle dragging racists. It's not even worth spending time arguing about it.

Watch this, you may learn something:

Because they are racists?

Sorry mate it's just not going to work here. You're only making yourselves more despised with your pretence on here. Now take your racist arses away.

Hang on a minute - I thought it was just radical islam (i.e. a minority) that you're opposing? Now you seem to be opposing islam per se, radical and non-radical/conservative?

I'm not a racist by any stretch of the imagination. I have amny black friends, many Jewish friends, even Chinese and Thai. I'm far from racist my friend.

I ask you though, before I go, to kindly answer just two questions:

1. Why is it racist to speak out against a Nazi ideology that wants to kill all jews and all non-believers?
2. Why do you choose to ignore the fact that Islam is a Nazi ideology, masquerading as a religion of peace?

1) You are not my friend. I do not befriend racists.
2) You really do intend to hang around until you are punch drunk, don't you. (I could help you shorten your stay if you like.)

You don't have to answer my questions, your avoidance speakls volumes. You're a typical fascist, avoiding the question because he can't defend himself against the truth.

what i want to know is what our new members thought of yesterdays game?

Did he really say they're waving at their mates?!
Surely not.....?
Golly, what a laugh!

And you are a typical racist and the only one stirring hate on this forum. You don't belong on a football message board so bye bye!

That isn't factually correct at all!

Because we are an open movement as well as attracting decent people we do attract a fair amount of idiots. Some of these idiots are there with an agenda specifically to tarnish the name of the EDL and all its followers.

Some of them are from football firms, some of them are from anarchist groups, Unite against Fascism, Socialist Workers Party et al.

We have outed all of the sieg heilers of which there have been 3 or 4 in all the time we have been active.

It's a lot easier for you to focus on one very small negative point of our marches and tar us all with the same brush than it is to accept that we may just have a point eh?

Pictures of people with their heads cut off? Seriously? Kids read this board for fooks sake.

Not the time or the place.

Scott, its ok...the idiots were just waving at the other idiots, who in turn were waving at the football firms who were waving at the knuckle dragging racists....

It's ok, we understand.
Now do one.

Oh you have a point. It just happens to be total shite.