will be in touch then

dunno about anyone else, but i'm fooked if the club i support is going to be hijacked and used as a publicity vehicle for any political purpose, least of all a bunch of wannabe brownshirts

i'm not sure a flag can be racist groovy, but the organisation it represents is definitely an ill-informed mess of disparate fascist doctrines wrapped up in a smokescreen of jingoist bollox.

they're not 'fighting' or 'defending' on my behalf the fookwits

It's ever since the Klu Klux Klan turned up that day at Rochdale that burning crucifix was not only nothing to do with Pools is was downright dangerous.

I am friends with 5 people. All ever presents at the vic and go to about 33% of away games.

I really don't think there needs to be a divide, or that people need to look for a divide between Pools fans at the moment. Things are going great on the pitch and that's what should be what gets the focus, not a few chants and a flag...!

sorry mate that's cobblers. this group is a racist organisation that condones violence to try to achieve its ends. its not just a few chants and a flag; its a whole ethos that has no place at a football game.

What do these idiots do when they end up in hospital in agony and they have a Pakistani doctor towering over them with a scalpel. I bet they dont tell him to f*ck off.

The EDL is a racist organisation & their flag is a display of support for them.
Racist chanting is outlawed at football,I believe displaying that flag is just as offensive & should not be tolerated

politics has no place in football like. I don't like that appearing at games in any guise, it has nowt to do with footy.
It's the one place where people stand (or more likely sit) as equals and backgrounds/wealth etc means nothing - the only thing that should count is supporting your team

wise words parmo

one person on that picture walked through my street y'day, normally seen on greyfields stood about on a sunday morning, no idea who he plays for of even if he does he's always just mullin about.

Agree with Parmo entirely but to suggest the match was being used to promote a political agenda is nothing short of shite.... There was no racist chanting that I heard, and if anyone starts any within ear shot of me they will promptly be told to STFU. It is however because of over reactions like the stewards had the other day that people attatch themselves to this sort of subculture in the first place.

Also to state that a flag that has EDL wrote on the corner it is anywhere near is bad as racist chanting is massively misguided and wrong...!

I think you would struggle to find anyone that didn't think EDL had more than their fair share of nobheads connected to them..... But censorship isn't the answer...!

Put me down as one of the apathy = condoning brigade, thanks.

Wasn't referring to you Mr Mutley more to others on the thread, I have had a few jars tonight mind - still struggling to get to sleep though as I'd normally be awake watching the cricket...!

my views are neither right wing nor left wing, more centre mid.

Jonny i dunno how you can be friends with knobs like this, saying they go to a load of pools games isn't making people think oh well maybe they actually are alright after all.

Just moronic idiots.

I'd change your friends if i was you.

Jonny,you are either very ignorant,very thick or very naive.


Racism is not tolerated at football,the EDL is a racist organisation therefrore stewards removing their flag was not an over reaction,in fact those who put the flag up should have been evicted or arrested


A political organisation put their flag up


There were chants of EDL


You could say that the flag is actually worse as chanting is done in the main by a lot of thoughtless people who couldnt really give a shit & are just full of drink & joining in.
Those who brought the flag have obviously made a conscious decision to promote racist ideals

I tell you what Jonny,if you believe EDL at football is acceptable why not contact Pools & ask them if they want to see your mates flag flying.

Here's a thought - see those extremists who were responsible for the poppy-burning stunt - if they had a symbol or initals for their organisation, put it on a flag and hung it up in the away end at the Vic, would you want it taken down or shrug your shoulders apathetically?

The EDL lot have no place in football, most are probably former footy thugs serving bans or too soft to get into actual fights anymore. The group as a whole is a more unevolved version of the BNP, while they claim to represent normal people they are in fact just racist cowards who need a banner to hide behind to justify their racism with a group of equally stupid individuals.

I utterly despise the fact that Muslim extremists burned poppies and threatened to march through Wooton Basset etc etc, but the solution is not to start your own little group of thugs. In fact I reckon the first time an EDL march spills into violence and a couple of Asian kids getting a serious kicking or worse that the radical clerics won't have to try and preach hate they will have thousands of budding jihadists banging on their doors to get hold of the tools to retaliate against the infidels.

The people who are using Pools games to chant EDL are no better than the knobbers we had at Brentford, the poppy burners, or the scum who kicked the shit out of that Sheff Wed fan in Church Street. I hope HUFC clamp down on any EDL supporting chants at home games because I for one will not be going back if my club becomes a playground for these knobbers.

If everyones so bothered about them then have a word with them at the game on saturday.
They usually drink round the millhouse and if I was so upset about it I'd let them know:)

So you think people should be arrested for putting a flag up? Get a grip.

I have already said that I don't support the EDL agenda but you can't just label them all as racists, things have moved on a little bit since the National Front. Some might say not a lot but from what I have been told it isn't just white males who go to the demo's.

Groovy - You started the thread having a go at people for NOT displaying a flag and now you are saying that they should not be allowed to display it anyway. I'm a bit lost.

Yubep - To label people as moronic idiots is a bit rich when you probably don't know them. As Mr Lightning Tree says if something bothers you enough then have a word. You might not want to believe it but most of the people I have spoken to regarding this issue can string a sentance or two together.. I can only speak to the people who I see but they are all sound people and most of you would probably agree..!

Anyway this issue is done to death - I'm surprised it hasn't been locked Onwards and Upwards....

So how many of them preach racial harmony ?



My issue is with them having the flag in the first place,I will concede that they didnt skulk away in secret,but that doesnt alter the fact that they brought their racist ideals to a Pools match.

This just shows how thick they are, generally the EDL are racist white thugs, mostly banned from football and angry at immigrants taking jobs that they are too stupid or idle to do anyway.

They realised that the national fear agenda had a thing for Muslims, and that Hindus and Sikhs shared their hatred, so they got a few brown people to join up as a move to counter criticism they are racist. Pretty much like Combo getting friendly with Milky in This is England.

Make no mistake if something kicked off at an EDL march they would go for Brown people not differentiate between followers of Allah and non followers. I would be shitting myself were I an Asian lad near an EDL march.

If the thick twats turn up near me shouting their bollocks at the football I will happily have a word, I am certain the cretins don't really have the brains to justify their antics and views.

PS if you think racism is to do with skin colour you are very naive.

Jonny
I have already said that I don't support the EDL agenda but you can't just label them all as racists, things have moved on a little bit since the National Front. Some might say not a lot but from what I have been told it isn't just white males who go to the demo's.

Really? You cannt label EDL as racists? Let me help you then - they are.
Hope that is of assistance!

As to how many preach racial harmony I wouldn't know - I don't go to their demonstrations and nor would I. I can only speak about the people who I know that are connected to them (both work collegues and mates) and all of them tow the party line if you like, they put their argument and point across without being racist. I don't agree that the demonstrations are doing any public good BUT would always defend their right to do it - as long as no one gets injured. Admittedly I have seen sky news when they have protested and heard some of the anti islamic shite that is spouted so I understand that some people who follow them are intent on causing disharmony...

Alienlife - You are only speculating as to what would happen at a march if things kicked off, you don't know, you might be right but speculation is a bit silly....

Things are way off on a tangent now....

You sure thats them?

Jonny makes out like they are such a lovely bunch, helping old women across the road and all sorts...

Didnt have a clue what EDL were till i just read all 4 pages.

So football is now not a break from politics/racism etc and we have to have it at football too?

Great.

Those two in chips post. I would never tire of smacking their faces with a bit of 4"x2".

FFS leave the Jews out of it

I thought the EDL was the easington darts league

Seriously, I think most decent human beings would tell vocal racists to shut it if they started spouting off at a match, does the security guy who sits in the two way mirrored jobby by the scoreboard not have cameras to identify said fookwits and have them ejected?

Erectile Dysfunction League more like

They never get promoted, they just can`t seem to go up

It was always thus. Chants that have been heard coming from the masses at Pools include:

"Zagger, zigger, [insert teams name] have got a nigger."

"There is no black in the union jack"

"Get the monkey off the pitch"

"ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo" [monkey noises]

"he's a wog, a wog.
Its plain to see, to see,
He's blacker than you and me,
he's a wog, a wog.

"black is black, ooo ooo ooo...
I want my wheel trims back"

And many many more....

Not in at least the last 20 years though.

It's certainly not recent except in the odd minority. My point; in response to tree, is that its not a new thing at Pools or any other football club.

As anyone who does a bit of research, talks to people who are honest about the EDL, or views the video Chip posted would know the specualation is based on historical fact and evidence.

Your mates might not be (I don't know them) but the EDL in general is a bunch of thugs, they are the ones who couldn't quite evolve to the more political BNP and instead want a good scrap. Police, authority figures, and Muslims are thier targets.

What next?

Alan Lake, the bloke who funds the EDL went to a anti-Muslim conference in Sweden and said there was a need for “people that are ready to go out in the street” and said that he had already begun to build alliances with “football supporters”. He also said that, “Football fans are a potential source of support. They are a hoi polloi that gets off their backsides and travels to a city and they are available before and after matches.”

He runs a few anti-Islamic websites and has links with evangelical Christian loons here and in the US and is clearly hoping to use football fans as a street force- exactly the same as the NF and then the BNP and Combat 18 tried to. You really can't argue that they're not racist, or not trying to use football, and expect to get taken seriously.

Much as I view the EDL are pathetic braindead thugs, I make no bones about the fact that I mistrust Muslims. This is not based on any issues about skin colour, some of you will know that my missus is a Hindu so its not an ant asian thing.

I have witnessed first hand the growing danger in the Muslim community, especially in the younger generation. They may not be rabid Al Queda activists but they have a sympathy towards them and their objective of ruling the world.

Nor am I talking about a small group either. My strong impression is that the majority of young muslims side with this ideology. Islamic extremists are a growing danger but as much of a danger is the next level down which whilst not being suicide bombers are committed to ruling the world.

I'll tell you something else; the Hindu and Sikh communities mistrust the Muslims far more than the likes of me.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/English-Defence-League

Anyone in any doubt about EDL should read what Searchlight have to say. See the link.

Searchlight have been monitoring far-right organisations in the UK for decades & know their stuff.

Suggest a check on Billy Bragg's facebook page/website too . Both feature a recent "expose" on EDL.

Don't be taken in by the EDL . They're the new BNP but not as organised , yet.

Give them a wide berth.

Why go to Searchlight to get info on the EDL when you can come and hear it straight from the source?

Instead of speculating on who we are and forming opinions based on biased and negative viewpoints, why don't you come on over to our forum and see what we are about and then you can make an informed judgement.

We are ordinary people from all walks, races and religious and sexual persuasions who are very concerned about a very credible threat to this country and our culture. Some of us are even football supporters!

Anyway I am not here to sell it to you but merely to give you the opportunity to come visit our forum and see who we are and make up your own minds based on the truth.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/index/

You don't have to register to view the forum but you will to join in any of the discussions.

Happy New Year.

jesus, all this over a flag if people feel so strongly against this flag why don't you go rip it down or better still confront the noddies who are chanting the EDL shite. seems to me alot of people on here have no problem airing there oppinions whilst hiding behind a keyboard but when it comes to doing it in person they just dont have the bottle and before anyone starts i am not an EDL supporter or a racist infact being a serving soldier and having done 2 tours of afghan and 1 of iraq being compared to these bellends is an insult

For those who feel that the EDL are just a bunch of knuckle dragging racists, you might like to consider this collection of news articles from the last 2 months. Most are from outside the UK and I, for one, don't want this imported here. The attacks average one every 3 days. Ditto for anti-Christian acts:

Attacks in last 2 months
27/10/10,US: Subway bomb plot DC area,http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39872773/ns/us_news-security/,
30/10/10,US/GB:Bomb on Cargo Plane,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11657486,
01/11/10,Iraq: 52 dead in church attack,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11664861,
02/11/10,Baghdad attack,http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101102/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq,
06/11/10,US: Fort Hood massacre,http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8357661.stm,
08/11/10,Iraq: 2 more Christians murdered,http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Two-Christian-brothers-killed-in-Mosul-20061.html,
11/11/10,Pakistan: Bombing of security HQ,http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8358109.stm,
,,,
27/11/10,US:Oregon Xmas Tree lighting bomb attempt,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11852953,
27/11/10,US: Throwing explosives at cars,http://www.wset.com/Global/story.asp?S=13574309,
04/12/10,Austria: Chechen held for plotting jihad attack on Nato base,http://www.expatica.com/be/news/belgian-news/austrian-police-hold-chechen-in-belgium-

attack-probe_115126.html,
07/12/10,US:Baltimore suspect arrested for plotting attack on army

base,http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Person_Arrested_In_Baltimore_Bomb_Plot_111529059.html,
08/12/10,India: bomb attack on Hindu temple,http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B72R520101208,
08/12/10,Pakistan: Bomb attack,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11946802,
12/12/10,Sweden: Suicide bomber,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11977524,
20/12/10,UK: 12 arrested in anti-terror op,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12037673,
21/12/10,Plot to poison US salad bars,http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340481/U-S-buffets-salad-bars-threatened-poison-attacks-Al-Qaeda-group-ink-

cartridge-bomb-plot.html,
22/12/10,Kenya: Bus attack,http://foundation.reuters.com/alertnet/news/kenya-charges-two-with-al-shabaab-membership/,
28/12/10,Nigeria: 3 arrested on way to bomb church,http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/12/27/nigeria.violence/,
29/12/10,Nigeria: Islamist sect claim responsibility for bombings,http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/8228816/Radical-

Islamist-sect-claims-responsibility-for-Nigeria-church-attacks.html,
29/12/10,Denmark: Mumbai style attack foiled,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12089543,
31/12/10,Pakistan: Military tankers torched,http://www.military-world.net/Afghanistan/4794.html,
31/12/10,Russia: 50 Islam leaders killed for being moderate,http://www.abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&id=219049,
31/12/10,Nigeria: Bomb kills atleast 4,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12099176,
01/01/11,Egypt: car bomb outside church kills 21,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12101748,

Anti-Christian Acts in last 2 months

27/10/10,Other News,Bangladesh: Christians falsely accused,http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/bangladesh/27653/
27/10/10,Other News,India: Christian Professors hand chopped off for blasphemy,http://ibnlive.in.com/news/kerala-man-accused-of-chopping-hand-wins-

poll/133952-37-64.html
28/10/10,Other News,Malaysia: Bibles torn up,http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=8085
06/11/10,Asia News,Kuwait: Building of church stopped,http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Islamic-fundamentalists-preventing-the-construction-of-a-church-in-

Kuwait-19912.html
07/11/10,Asia News,Pakistan: Christian sentenced to death for blasphemy,http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Punjab:-Christian-woman-sentenced-to-death-for-

blasphemy-19940.html
13/11/10,Other NewsE:\EDL\OtherNews\Attacks\20101208-India says local Islamists bombed pilgrim city Top News Reuters.mht,Afghanistan: Death sentence for

converting to Christianity,http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Two-Afghan-converts-to-Christianity-risk-the-death-penalty-20123.html
13/11/10,Other News,Iran: Christian convert sentenced to death,http://www.newsamen.com/101393/iran-sentenced-to-death-pastor-who-converted-to-christianity
16/11/10,AP,Egypt: Christian homes burnt,http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101116/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_sectarian_violence
22/11/10,Other News,Iraq: Two Christians shot,http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Two-Christian-brothers-killed-in-Mosul-20061.html
22/11/10,Other News,Moscow: Orthodox Church bombed,web page removed
24/11/10,Other News,Egypt: Crosses burnt,http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Aki/English/Religion/Egypt-Coptic-pope-Shenuda-III-deplores-anti-Christian-

violence_311304462625.html
30/11/10,Other News,Egypt: Christians shot dead,http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Aki/English/Religion/Egypt-Coptic-pope-Shenuda-III-deplores-anti-Christian-

violence_311304462625.html
01/12/10,Other News,Pakistan: 5 Christians murdered for blasphemy,http://mnnonline.org/article/15028
03/12/10,Other News,Ethiopia: 3 years for Christian for 'defacing koran',http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/ethiopia/29023/
05/12/10,AP,Iraq: Another two Christians shot,http://www.aina.org/news/20101205140738.htm
10/12/10,Other News,Pakistan: 10 killed in bomb blast,http://www.thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?

headline=Bomb+kills+at+least+10+in+northwest+Pakistan&NewsID=268952
25/12/10,Sudan News,Sudan:Calls for imposition of Sharia on whole country including Christians,http://allafrica.com/stories/201012280653.html
30/12/10,Other News,Malaya: Church told no hymns etc during PrimeMinister's visit,http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/paranoid-aides-told-

church-to-remove-crosses-for-najib-visit/
30/12/10,Telegraph,Iraq: More Christians killed,http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/8232511/Iraqi-Christians-killed-in-series-of-

Baghdad-attacks.html
31/12/10,Other News,Cyprus: Turkish troops menace Christian churches,http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/12/turkish-muslim-troops-stop-

church-services-im-cyprus-on-christmas-defrock-priests.html
31/12/10,Other News,Maldives: Restaurant in trouble for Christmas decorations,http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article1018867.ece
31/12/10,Other News,Kosovo: Christians harassed,http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2010/12/22/feature-03
31/12/10,Other News,Iraq: More Christians killed,http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gJ5Y0MR9Yxe8hj1nC4MG9NHZ-EOQ?

docId=195a4dafadc64de98403c34df57a322b
01/01/11,BBC,Egypt: car bomb outside church kills 21,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12101748
01/01/11,BBC,Egypt: car bomb outside church kills 21,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12101748

I think you've missed the point somewhat. This isn't just about a flag it is what it represents and like yourself some people have a opinion about us but where did you get that opinion? Is it based on what you were told? What you heard or did you make the effort and go and find out for yourself?

For serving your country we salute you and you have our deepest respect and admiration but based on your comments that is where it ends.

What exactly were you doing in Iraq and in Afghanistan? What were you fighting for? More importantly who were you fighting against? At least one of your answers will be Freedom. Freedom of oppression, freedom of expression and freedom from a cruel and wicked ideology that is the Taliban, Al-Quaida etc.

I find it sad that somebody as brave as you who put their life on the line for your country and for others holds these short-sighted views and that you feel that once you got back to civvie street that your fight was over. For let me tell you that the very same cruel and wicked ideology that you were fighting against over there is alive and well over here aided and abetted by political correctness, human rights and other things such as 'social cohesion' and people like you who for whatever reason can't see passed the end of their noses.

Make no mistake that radical islam is at war with us on our very doorsteps and just because there are no bullets whizzing passed your ears or rpg's being fired at you that it isn't true. Wake up!