Ukraine started the war with Russia

Infidel · **Joined:** Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:20 am **Posts:** 552

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Infidel wrote:

Snowy wrote:

This is about ‘zones of influence’…it had been that way since 1945…it was so built into my psyche that I realised sometimes best to keep the status quo……how much chaos has the West created in the last 50 years ‘freeing countries’ from their autocratic rulers but creating basket cases by meddling but forgetting most of the world ain’t democracies and survive.
We do meddle, and Starmer playing Rambo is pitiful…. which will fizzle out like a cheap firework when told to by the real fixers.

Good post.

Might have a point if the zonesof influence were still those of the cold war.

I can't speak for Snowy but isn't that the point that he was making? That's the way I read it.

Poolie27 · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:08 pm **Posts:** 585

Who on here supports a 2% tax increase to go to our defence budget?

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3847

I'd support less on migrant hospitality and foreign aid, we're just about a charity case now as a nation anyway.
I'm also prepared to do my duty every Thursday night with the Dads Army , "we're f*cking doomed".

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

PTID wrote:

I'd support less on migrant hospitality and foreign aid, we're just about a charity case now as a nation anyway.
I'm also prepared to do my duty every Thursday night with the Dads Army , "we're f*cking doomed".

Don't tell him Pike...I mean PTID

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

Poolie27 wrote:

Who on here supports a 2% tax increase to go to our defence budget?

Me. The world is a dangerous place.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

Infidel wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Infidel wrote:

Snowy wrote:

This is about ‘zones of influence’…it had been that way since 1945…it was so built into my psyche that I realised sometimes best to keep the status quo……how much chaos has the West created in the last 50 years ‘freeing countries’ from their autocratic rulers but creating basket cases by meddling but forgetting most of the world ain’t democracies and survive.
We do meddle, and Starmer playing Rambo is pitiful…. which will fizzle out like a cheap firework when told to by the real fixers.

Good post.

Might have a point if the zonesof influence were still those of the cold war.

I can't speak for Snowy but isn't that the point that he was making? That's the way I read it.

Yeah he was on about zones of influence. That was in the USSR's zone. Long time ago.

Poolie27 · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:08 pm **Posts:** 585

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Poolie27 wrote:

Who on here supports a 2% tax increase to go to our defence budget?

Me. The world is a dangerous place.

I would pay for sure but can you imagine the moaning that will take place?

BarryHarris57 · **Joined:** Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:45 pm **Posts:** 55

We don’t need to have an increase in spending. The next war will be fought with nuclear weapons.
Unless of course this increase can be spent creating some kind of shield to protect us.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

Poolie27 wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Poolie27 wrote:

Who on here supports a 2% tax increase to go to our defence budget?

Me. The world is a dangerous place.

I would pay for sure but can you imagine the moaning that will take place?

Yep. People think our relative safety and prosperity just appears from nowhere.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 6975

In the Afghanistan conflict Russia lost 15000 soldiers, it was supposed to another swift operation but last 10 years eventually pulling out.
According to whatever ever figures you believe some estimates say over 800000 Russian soldiers have been killed or injured in Ukraine.
Putin isn’t bothered, he will just send more to the meat grinder and try and bomb the Ukrainians into submission. 270 drones were directed towards Ukraine yesterday. The Ukrainians say all but 10 didn’t reach their targets.
My conclusion is no matter what’s on the table Putin will not concede to any terms and conditions, he has the manpower and the weapons to continue for as long as it takes.
The only way it might change is if the Russian people revolt but as the media is under state control they have no idea what’s really going on.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18756

Jamie1952 wrote:

In the Afghanistan conflict Russia lost 15000 soldiers, it was supposed to another swift operation but last 10 years eventually pulling out.
According to whatever ever figures you believe some estimates say over 800000 Russian soldiers have been killed or injured in Ukraine.
Putin isn’t bothered, he will just send more to the meat grinder and try and bomb the Ukrainians into submission. 270 drones were directed towards Ukraine yesterday. The Ukrainians say all but 10 didn’t reach their targets.
My conclusion is no matter what’s on the table Putin will not concede to any terms and conditions, he has the manpower and the weapons to continue for as long as it takes.
The only way it might change is if the Russian people revolt but as the media is under state control they have no idea what’s really going on.

feel lives have been considered as cheap in russia than anywhere else in the world when wars or miletary conflicts come into it. something in the russian dna like it is with many still in this country who want a scrap still with any other country who might not even fight themselves. better to be like the swiss and concentrate on perfecting an army knife.

Herr Flick · **Joined:** Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:46 am **Posts:** 107

horden wrote:

Putin has played a blinder, the West thought they could grind them down with Sanctions, but Russia's economy has actually got better not worse, as they now sell their oil and gas to the Brics countries.

Without being bankrolled by NATO, Russia would've wiped the floor with Ukraine within months and taken over the whole of Ukraine, but they don't and never wanted to do that. They only want to be left alone, to get on with what all countries and governments should be getting on with, making their countries better and taking people out of poverty not plunging millions into it, note that Russia and China, and most of the Brics countries are doing this, and the West is not, and boy, do we in the West not like that.

As for Russia taking over Europe, what bullshit, if that was the case why did the Soviet Union upon the ending of the cold war, quite happily give up former Eastern Bloc countries? They gave them up because they couldn't afford to keep them under their wing, and the restless natives were a constant problem and threat. Also if Russia's army is so shite, how they hell are they going to bulldoze their way through to the shores of Dover? come on. tell me? you can't have it both ways.

Where has this love of Ukraine come from? why do the British hate Russia so much? when both were part of the same Soviet Union not so long back. You are being taken for a ride, and very soon it is going to hit you in the pockets, increased tax rises or more public service cuts, which do you prefer? Wake up FFS!

The only aggressors here are the West and NATO, with Ukraine the Patsies and the Green Goblin the fall guy.

Looking forward to seeing our inglorious leader Keir Stormer, getting put in his place by Trump this week. Stormer the cowardly useless fooker, even has to take Macron with him for back up.

So Putin just wants to be left alone? He sacrificed hundreds of thousands of young Russians (and North Koreans) to ensure he was left alone? Certainly took them out of poverty didn't he? On the basis that he was worried Ukraine was joining NATO, which the world and his dog knew wasn't going to happen. He is an ego driven narcissist who cares not a jot for the people of Russia. He only wants to make the country better for his people - like Alexei Navalny? Anyone else with an alternative view to his? The Oswald Mosley vibes in this thread are strong.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36226

Jamie1952 wrote:

In the Afghanistan conflict Russia lost 15000 soldiers, it was supposed to another swift operation but last 10 years eventually pulling out.
According to whatever ever figures you believe some estimates say over 800000 Russian soldiers have been killed or injured in Ukraine.
Putin isn’t bothered, he will just send more to the meat grinder and try and bomb the Ukrainians into submission. 270 drones were directed towards Ukraine yesterday. The Ukrainians say all but 10 didn’t reach their targets.
My conclusion is no matter what’s on the table Putin will not concede to any terms and conditions, he has the manpower and the weapons to continue for as long as it takes.
The only way it might change is if the Russian people revolt but as the media is under state control they have no idea what’s really going on.

Correction…Afghanistan was nowt to do with Putin.
Russian left Afghanistan after thinking it could tame them…just like we in the West did….and who supplied the stinger missiles to make it possible to get the Russians out…the West.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3847

Of course Putin is going to stop the war and soon, the issue is that he's likely to get a peace deal which satisfies his justification for the invasion and a whole lot more on top.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

Snowy wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

In the Afghanistan conflict Russia lost 15000 soldiers, it was supposed to another swift operation but last 10 years eventually pulling out.
According to whatever ever figures you believe some estimates say over 800000 Russian soldiers have been killed or injured in Ukraine.
Putin isn’t bothered, he will just send more to the meat grinder and try and bomb the Ukrainians into submission. 270 drones were directed towards Ukraine yesterday. The Ukrainians say all but 10 didn’t reach their targets.
My conclusion is no matter what’s on the table Putin will not concede to any terms and conditions, he has the manpower and the weapons to continue for as long as it takes.
The only way it might change is if the Russian people revolt but as the media is under state control they have no idea what’s really going on.

Correction…Afghanistan was nowt to do with Putin.
Russian left Afghanistan after thinking it could tame them…just like we in the West did….and who supplied the stinger missiles to make it possible to get the Russians out…the West.

Yes Snowy on the money yet again.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

Leggie43 wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

In the Afghanistan conflict Russia lost 15000 soldiers, it was supposed to another swift operation but last 10 years eventually pulling out.
According to whatever ever figures you believe some estimates say over 800000 Russian soldiers have been killed or injured in Ukraine.
Putin isn’t bothered, he will just send more to the meat grinder and try and bomb the Ukrainians into submission. 270 drones were directed towards Ukraine yesterday. The Ukrainians say all but 10 didn’t reach their targets.
My conclusion is no matter what’s on the table Putin will not concede to any terms and conditions, he has the manpower and the weapons to continue for as long as it takes.
The only way it might change is if the Russian people revolt but as the media is under state control they have no idea what’s really going on.

Correction…Afghanistan was nowt to do with Putin.
Russian left Afghanistan after thinking it could tame them…just like we in the West did….and who supplied the stinger missiles to make it possible to get the Russians out…the West.

Yes Snowy on the money yet again.

Sorry Snowy, not getting thr parallel you are trying to draw with what is currently happening. The cold war was a long time ago but there might be some relevance you say? It's interesting stuff.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

Herr Flick wrote:

horden wrote:

Putin has played a blinder, the West thought they could grind them down with Sanctions, but Russia's economy has actually got better not worse, as they now sell their oil and gas to the Brics countries.

Without being bankrolled by NATO, Russia would've wiped the floor with Ukraine within months and taken over the whole of Ukraine, but they don't and never wanted to do that. They only want to be left alone, to get on with what all countries and governments should be getting on with, making their countries better and taking people out of poverty not plunging millions into it, note that Russia and China, and most of the Brics countries are doing this, and the West is not, and boy, do we in the West not like that.

As for Russia taking over Europe, what bullshit, if that was the case why did the Soviet Union upon the ending of the cold war, quite happily give up former Eastern Bloc countries? They gave them up because they couldn't afford to keep them under their wing, and the restless natives were a constant problem and threat. Also if Russia's army is so shite, how they hell are they going to bulldoze their way through to the shores of Dover? come on. tell me? you can't have it both ways.

Where has this love of Ukraine come from? why do the British hate Russia so much? when both were part of the same Soviet Union not so long back. You are being taken for a ride, and very soon it is going to hit you in the pockets, increased tax rises or more public service cuts, which do you prefer? Wake up FFS!

The only aggressors here are the West and NATO, with Ukraine the Patsies and the Green Goblin the fall guy.

Looking forward to seeing our inglorious leader Keir Stormer, getting put in his place by Trump this week. Stormer the cowardly useless fooker, even has to take Macron with him for back up.

So Putin just wants to be left alone? He sacrificed hundreds of thousands of young Russians (and North Koreans) to ensure he was left alone? Certainly took them out of poverty didn't he? On the basis that he was worried Ukraine was joining NATO, which the world and his dog knew wasn't going to happen. He is an ego driven narcissist who cares not a jot for the people of Russia. He only wants to make the country better for his people - like Alexei Navalny? Anyone else with an alternative view to his? The Oswald Mosley vibes in this thread are strong.

The beeb reckons the Russians have good hackers. Looks like they hijacked this Horden username.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

loyal_fan wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Exactly right--since 1997 Nato has expanded eastwards---and Russia has been consistent that having Ukraine in NAto was unacceptable to them--we can say that is unreasonable but we cant be surprised.
Was Russia response proportional?--No in my opinion--but to claim it was unprovoked is a blatant lie

Nope. Putin thought he could do a Crimea with the rest of Ukraine in a few days. It was just about his ego. The rest is cock and bull excuses and sadly people are buying it. He saw Ukraine as the best Belarus. Same is happening in Georgia. It's what he does.

Yeh its all about 1 mans meglomania and the West hasnt done anything to provoke it---The answer IMO is obviously not one good guy vs one bad guy---the West made a number of errors and power grabs that helped lead up to this.[/quote]

Which power grabs were they? Who was forced into NATO and why is that a power grab?[/quote]

If another group of countries is expanding towards your border and making noises about how bad you are/how you need to be fundamentally reshaped, its naive to think you wouldn't perceive that as a threat.
As people have said look at what happens when the boot is on the other foot--when countries like Cuba historically and Venezuela more recently aligned with Russia then it all kicked off.
Am sure Taiwan would like to be part of Nato--do you really think that would be a sensible thing to do because 'they want to join'[/quote]

Good post Loyal totally agree.

BarryHarris57 · **Joined:** Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:45 pm **Posts:** 55

Did you know that Airbnb is advertising over 1,800 hotels and private accommodation available today in Kiev alone?
Meanwhile, Nearly 150,000 Ukrainians are "Refugees" in Ireland. €1.43 billion on accommodation for asylum seekers and Ukrainian refugees during the first nine months of 2024 alone.
It makes you wonder what Starmer is spending. Or what the Tories before him were spending.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

Nope it's simple. One country invaded another relatively defenceless one and committed atrocities there, is still doing so and did this week. That's bad. End of story. How anyone can try to justify that is baffling and pretty unpalatable.

Also it's not the only cock and bull reason they made up for their actions. They sway from one to another depending on the audience.

If you find yourself sounding like someone on TVPUTIN then you've got to wonder if you're coming to the right conclusions.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Nope it's simple. One country invaded another relatively defenceless one and committed atrocities there, is still doing so and did this week. That's bad. End of story. How anyone can try to justify that is baffling and pretty unpalatable.

Also it's not the only cock and bull reason they made up for their actions. They sway from one to another depending on the audience.

If you find yourself sounding like someone on TVPUTIN then you've got to wonder if you're coming to the right conclusions.

I am a little confused reading your replies to various posters. It looks to me that you simply try to force your opinion on others.

No doubt you will again say Nope!!! but that doesn't make your opinions correct and everyone else wrong.

BarryHarris57 · **Joined:** Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:45 pm **Posts:** 55

One country was provoked by NATO and decided to retaliate because it had no option.
Victoria Nuland being caught on tape admitting that the USA were behind the overthrow of Yanukovych in 2014.
The USA pulling out of the unilateral nuclear arms agreement.
The massacre of Russian soldiers and civilians in Ukraine prior to the 2022 invasion.
The USA installing missiles in Poland and Romania as a direct threat to Russia.
Putin has warned NATO time and time again to pull back.
Minsk one, Minsk two. The Istanbul agreement etc..
These were not put in place because NATO, and in particular the USA believed Russia would just sit back and let NATO do what they wanted to.
Russia are the good guys here and it’s not before time that Ukraine and not forgetting NATO are feeling the wrath of the special military operation.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

BarryHarris57 wrote:

One country was provoked by NATO and decided to retaliate because it had no option.
Victoria Nuland being caught on tape admitting that the USA were behind the overthrow of Yanukovych in 2014.
The USA pulling out of the unilateral nuclear arms agreement.
The massacre of Russian soldiers and civilians in Ukraine prior to the 2022 invasion.
The USA installing missiles in Poland and Romania as a direct threat to Russia.
Putin has warned NATO time and time again to pull back.
Minsk one, Minsk two. The Istanbul agreement etc..
These were not put in place because NATO, and in particular the USA believed Russia would just sit back and let us do what we want.
Russia are the good guys here and it’s not before time that Ukraine and not forgetting NATO are feeling the wrath of the special military invasion.

Agree

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

horden wrote:

Putin has played a blinder, the West thought they could grind them down with Sanctions, but Russia's economy has actually got better not worse, as they now sell their oil and gas to the Brics countries.

Without being bankrolled by NATO, Russia would've wiped the floor with Ukraine within months and taken over the whole of Ukraine, but they don't and never wanted to do that. They only want to be left alone, to get on with what all countries and governments should be getting on with, making their countries better and taking people out of poverty not plunging millions into it, note that Russia and China, and most of the Brics countries are doing this, and the West is not, and boy, do we in the West not like that.

As for Russia taking over Europe, what bullshit, if that was the case why did the Soviet Union upon the ending of the cold war, quite happily give up former Eastern Bloc countries? They gave them up because they couldn't afford to keep them under their wing, and the restless natives were a constant problem and threat. Also if Russia's army is so shite, how they hell are they going to bulldoze their way through to the shores of Dover? come on. tell me? you can't have it both ways.

Where has this love of Ukraine come from? why do the British hate Russia so much? when both were part of the same Soviet Union not so long back. You are being taken for a ride, and very soon it is going to hit you in the pockets, increased tax rises or more public service cuts, which do you prefer? Wake up FFS!

The only aggressors here are the West and NATO, with Ukraine the Patsies and the Green Goblin the fall guy.

Looking forward to seeing our inglorious leader Keir Stormer, getting put in his place by Trump this week. Stormer the cowardly useless fooker, even has to take Macron with him for back up.

The most sensible and accurate post on this thread. clappp

Poolie27 · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:08 pm **Posts:** 585

The most ridiculous post on here.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

Yeah, NATO made the massacre in Bucha and the mass graves in Izium. Ooo silly me it was Russian bastard invaders.

If bullshit was bullets, there would be enough coming from some people to keep Ukraine going for years.

Poolie27 · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:08 pm **Posts:** 585

Exactly. Horden, is Putin a democrat or is he a bloodthirsty dictator who murders any rivals and fixes elections in Russia and elsewhere. You are the one that needs to wake up.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

Poolie27 wrote:

The most ridiculous post on here.

It's like it's come straight from a Russian propaganda writer. It's uncanny.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36226

I’m just amazed that anyone’s amazed at all.
Positions on the subject are taken on a parochial war yet ignore global outcomes and history.
Europe is ran by middle class political luvvies….who, now they face a dilemma, are running around like headless chickens and showing their true colours as their chickens come home to roost.
There are no true leaders in Europe, just compromisers being revealed as the political wimps they are.

MutleyRules · **Joined:** Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:38 am **Posts:** 923

One country invades another country...twice.
One country doesn't have democratic elections...and murders his opponents.
One country has state controlled media and TV to control what you watch, read and hear
Etc etc etc etc etc....

Which country would YOU like to live in??

And no it's not North Korea.

MutleyRules · **Joined:** Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:38 am **Posts:** 923

BarryHarris57 wrote:

Did you know that Airbnb is advertising over 1,800 hotels and private accommodation available today in Kiev alone?

Does the saying 'Keep Calm and Carry On' mean anything to you??

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 6975

The United States joined Russia to vote against a UN General Assembly resolution condemning Russia’s war against Ukraine Monday in a stunning shift from years of US policy.

The vote against the Ukrainian and European-backed resolution saw the US at odds with its longtime European allies and instead aligned with the aggressor in the war on the three-year anniversary of Moscow’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

The US again voted the same way as Russia later Monday on a US-proposed UN Security Council resolution that did not call the Kremlin the aggressor or acknowledge Ukraine’s territorial integrity. The resolution passed without the support of five European members of the security council.

It would appear the States feel that because they live across the water they is no threat of a Russian invasion.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36226

MutleyRules wrote:

One country invades another country...twice.
One country doesn't have democratic elections...and murders his opponents.
One country has state controlled media and TV to control what you watch, read and hear
Etc etc etc etc etc....

Which country would YOU like to live in??

And no it's not North Korea.

You’re talking as though it’s something new and unique…it’s not.
Before our recent invasion of Afghanistan we’d invaded the country three times. Funny how people get excited over certain wars but not others.
In fact we’ve invaded more countries than any other country…..still live here though.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3847

There's wars going on aplenty and the UK isn't involved or sending aid to them all. Boris and now Starmer trying to be Churchillian is just political posturing at the tax payers expense.
Like it or not, we are a minor player on the world stage. Trump didn't even greet Macron on his arrival at the White House and Starmer is going to get put in his place on Thursday too.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

Snowy wrote:

MutleyRules wrote:

One country invades another country...twice.
One country doesn't have democratic elections...and murders his opponents.
One country has state controlled media and TV to control what you watch, read and hear
Etc etc etc etc etc....

Which country would YOU like to live in??

And no it's not North Korea.

You’re talking as though it’s something new and unique…it’s not.
Before our recent invasion of Afghanistan we’d invaded the country three times. Funny how people get excited over certain wars but not others.
In fact we’ve invaded more countries than any other country…..still live here though.

Evil bastardry is old, older than the taliban. Shouldn't mean we stop calling it out. Putin and his regime are bastardos. There. Done it.

I think everyone who exercises their rights to moan about UK leadership (often fairly) should go try and do it in Russia about theirs. See you in 15 years. I'm off to have some polonium sandwiches then some cathedral spotting with the "good guys'. :laugh:

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36226

There are places in Africa fighting wars now, but no one gives a shit who or how many die …but because people can relate to Ukrainians …..and the media are in hyper drive, everyone cares……..but no one’s on been on here expressing concern for Somalia’s civil war where even more have died …..because they don’t relate to them.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 6975

Google how many armed conflicts there are in the world, more than a hundred most in Africa, the arms dealers must be raking it in.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36226

Jamie1952 wrote:

Google how many armed conflicts there are in the world, more than a hundred most in Africa, the arms dealers must be raking it in.

Wonder where they get them from…?
The AK47’s are now soooo last year :laugh:

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 6975

Snowy wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

Google how many armed conflicts there are in the world, more than a hundred most in Africa, the arms dealers must be raking it in.

Wonder where they get them from…?
The AK47’s are now soooo last year :laugh:

Well that won’t difficult to figure out will it Snowy, we both know the answer.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36226

Jamie1952 wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

Google how many armed conflicts there are in the world, more than a hundred most in Africa, the arms dealers must be raking it in.

Wonder where they get them from…?
The AK47’s are now soooo last year :laugh:

Well that won’t difficult to figure out will it Snowy, we both know the answer.

You’d be surprised…..even the rebels have their fashions of a preferred choice of weapon. Light and reliable is this years choice…. :laugh:

MutleyRules · **Joined:** Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:38 am **Posts:** 923

Snowy wrote:

MutleyRules wrote:

One country invades another country...twice.
One country doesn't have democratic elections...and murders his opponents.
One country has state controlled media and TV to control what you watch, read and hear
Etc etc etc etc etc....

Which country would YOU like to live in??

And no it's not North Korea.

You’re talking as though it’s something new and unique…it’s not.
Before our recent invasion of Afghanistan we’d invaded the country three times. Funny how people get excited over certain wars but not others.
In fact we’ve invaded more countries than any other country…..still live here though.

Ok I'll move then.
Where have I said I supported the invasion of Afghanistan or Iraq etc?

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18756

am i the only one who is sick to death of hearing the words ukraine russia putin and the rest. i have other issues in my life thats far more important to me.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 6975

Macron corrects Trump in the White House,
https://youtu.be/ZlEgRSU_D-M?si=KD7XA66JHf2MVx3f

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 6975

Can you imagine a foreign oil and gas company wanting to drill for oil in the States yet the US wants some the rights to the Ukrainian minerals ?

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3847

How else will they get their money back? Haven't we just finished paying back the US for their help in WW2?
Ukraine have to pay pretty much every penny they've received back to the World Banks and other countries.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3847

And, guess who's a major guarantor for their loans from the World Banks? None other than You and Me!

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36226

Jamie1952 wrote:

Macron corrects Trump in the White House,
https://youtu.be/ZlEgRSU_D-M?si=KD7XA66JHf2MVx3f

That made no sense at all.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

Snowy wrote:

There are places in Africa fighting wars now, but no one gives a shit who or how many die …but because people can relate to Ukrainians …..and the media are in hyper drive, everyone cares……..but no one’s on been on here expressing concern for Somalia’s civil war where even more have died …..because they don’t relate to them.

Whataboutery Snowy? I expect that of lesser men than thee.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36226

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Snowy wrote:

There are places in Africa fighting wars now, but no one gives a shit who or how many die …but because people can relate to Ukrainians …..and the media are in hyper drive, everyone cares……..but no one’s on been on here expressing concern for Somalia’s civil war where even more have died …..because they don’t relate to them.

Whataboutery Snowy? I expect that of lesser men than thee.

Whataboutery; A woke response when the reply has depth.
We are drawn into conflicts that the media decide to highlight that forward the idiot utopian globalism that is on the horizon.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

Snowy wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Snowy wrote:

There are places in Africa fighting wars now, but no one gives a shit who or how many die …but because people can relate to Ukrainians …..and the media are in hyper drive, everyone cares……..but no one’s on been on here expressing concern for Somalia’s civil war where even more have died …..because they don’t relate to them.

Whataboutery Snowy? I expect that of lesser men than thee.

Whataboutery; A woke response when the reply has depth.
We are drawn into conflicts that the media decide to highlight that forward the idiot utopian globalism that is on the horizon.

Woke? I thought woke was the gender politics thing?

Anyway. Poor argument. Normally better.

This conflict is like most people have never seen in their lifetime on their doorstep before in their lives. Not done tin pot dictators with machetes.

Ukraine started the war with Russia

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