Might have a point if the zonesof influence were still those of the cold war.

I'd support less on migrant hospitality and foreign aid, we're just about a charity case now as a nation anyway.
I'm also prepared to do my duty every Thursday night with the Dads Army , "we're f*cking doomed".

Who on here supports a 2% tax increase to go to our defence budget?

I can't speak for Snowy but isn't that the point that he was making? That's the way I read it.

Me. The world is a dangerous place.

I would pay for sure but can you imagine the moaning that will take place?

In the Afghanistan conflict Russia lost 15000 soldiers, it was supposed to another swift operation but last 10 years eventually pulling out.
According to whatever ever figures you believe some estimates say over 800000 Russian soldiers have been killed or injured in Ukraine.
Putin isn’t bothered, he will just send more to the meat grinder and try and bomb the Ukrainians into submission. 270 drones were directed towards Ukraine yesterday. The Ukrainians say all but 10 didn’t reach their targets.
My conclusion is no matter what’s on the table Putin will not concede to any terms and conditions, he has the manpower and the weapons to continue for as long as it takes.
The only way it might change is if the Russian people revolt but as the media is under state control they have no idea what’s really going on.

Putin has played a blinder, the West thought they could grind them down with Sanctions, but Russia's economy has actually got better not worse, as they now sell their oil and gas to the Brics countries.

Without being bankrolled by NATO, Russia would've wiped the floor with Ukraine within months and taken over the whole of Ukraine, but they don't and never wanted to do that. They only want to be left alone, to get on with what all countries and governments should be getting on with, making their countries better and taking people out of poverty not plunging millions into it, note that Russia and China, and most of the Brics countries are doing this, and the West is not, and boy, do we in the West not like that.

As for Russia taking over Europe, what bullshit, if that was the case why did the Soviet Union upon the ending of the cold war, quite happily give up former Eastern Bloc countries? They gave them up because they couldn't afford to keep them under their wing, and the restless natives were a constant problem and threat. Also if Russia's army is so shite, how they hell are they going to bulldoze their way through to the shores of Dover? come on. tell me? you can't have it both ways.

Where has this love of Ukraine come from? why do the British hate Russia so much? when both were part of the same Soviet Union not so long back. You are being taken for a ride, and very soon it is going to hit you in the pockets, increased tax rises or more public service cuts, which do you prefer? Wake up FFS!

The only aggressors here are the West and NATO, with Ukraine the Patsies and the Green Goblin the fall guy.

Looking forward to seeing our inglorious leader Keir Stormer, getting put in his place by Trump this week. Stormer the cowardly useless fooker, even has to take Macron with him for back up.

In the Afghanistan conflict Russia lost 15000 soldiers, it was supposed to another swift operation but last 10 years eventually pulling out.
According to whatever ever figures you believe some estimates say over 800000 Russian soldiers have been killed or injured in Ukraine.
Putin isn’t bothered, he will just send more to the meat grinder and try and bomb the Ukrainians into submission. 270 drones were directed towards Ukraine yesterday. The Ukrainians say all but 10 didn’t reach their targets.
My conclusion is no matter what’s on the table Putin will not concede to any terms and conditions, he has the manpower and the weapons to continue for as long as it takes.
The only way it might change is if the Russian people revolt but as the media is under state control they have no idea what’s really going on.

Correction…Afghanistan was nowt to do with Putin.
Russian left Afghanistan after thinking it could tame them…just like we in the West did….and who supplied the stinger missiles to make it possible to get the Russians out…the West.

Yes Snowy on the money yet again.

So Putin just wants to be left alone? He sacrificed hundreds of thousands of young Russians (and North Koreans) to ensure he was left alone? Certainly took them out of poverty didn't he? On the basis that he was worried Ukraine was joining NATO, which the world and his dog knew wasn't going to happen. He is an ego driven narcissist who cares not a jot for the people of Russia. He only wants to make the country better for his people - like Alexei Navalny? Anyone else with an alternative view to his? The Oswald Mosley vibes in this thread are strong.

Nope. Putin thought he could do a Crimea with the rest of Ukraine in a few days. It was just about his ego. The rest is cock and bull excuses and sadly people are buying it. He saw Ukraine as the best Belarus. Same is happening in Georgia. It's what he does.

Nope it's simple. One country invaded another relatively defenceless one and committed atrocities there, is still doing so and did this week. That's bad. End of story. How anyone can try to justify that is baffling and pretty unpalatable.

Also it's not the only cock and bull reason they made up for their actions. They sway from one to another depending on the audience.

If you find yourself sounding like someone on TVPUTIN then you've got to wonder if you're coming to the right conclusions.

One country was provoked by NATO and decided to retaliate because it had no option.
Victoria Nuland being caught on tape admitting that the USA were behind the overthrow of Yanukovych in 2014.
The USA pulling out of the unilateral nuclear arms agreement.
The massacre of Russian soldiers and civilians in Ukraine prior to the 2022 invasion.
The USA installing missiles in Poland and Romania as a direct threat to Russia.
Putin has warned NATO time and time again to pull back.
Minsk one, Minsk two. The Istanbul agreement etc..
These were not put in place because NATO, and in particular the USA believed Russia would just sit back and let us do what we want.
Russia are the good guys here and it’s not before time that Ukraine and not forgetting NATO are feeling the wrath of the special military invasion.

Putin has played a blinder, the West thought they could grind them down with Sanctions, but Russia's economy has actually got better not worse, as they now sell their oil and gas to the Brics countries.

Without being bankrolled by NATO, Russia would've wiped the floor with Ukraine within months and taken over the whole of Ukraine, but they don't and never wanted to do that. They only want to be left alone, to get on with what all countries and governments should be getting on with, making their countries better and taking people out of poverty not plunging millions into it, note that Russia and China, and most of the Brics countries are doing this, and the West is not, and boy, do we in the West not like that.

As for Russia taking over Europe, what bullshit, if that was the case why did the Soviet Union upon the ending of the cold war, quite happily give up former Eastern Bloc countries? They gave them up because they couldn't afford to keep them under their wing, and the restless natives were a constant problem and threat. Also if Russia's army is so shite, how they hell are they going to bulldoze their way through to the shores of Dover? come on. tell me? you can't have it both ways.

Where has this love of Ukraine come from? why do the British hate Russia so much? when both were part of the same Soviet Union not so long back. You are being taken for a ride, and very soon it is going to hit you in the pockets, increased tax rises or more public service cuts, which do you prefer? Wake up FFS!

The only aggressors here are the West and NATO, with Ukraine the Patsies and the Green Goblin the fall guy.

Looking forward to seeing our inglorious leader Keir Stormer, getting put in his place by Trump this week. Stormer the cowardly useless fooker, even has to take Macron with him for back up.

The most ridiculous post on here.

Did you know that Airbnb is advertising over 1,800 hotels and private accommodation available today in Kiev alone?

One country invades another country...twice.
One country doesn't have democratic elections...and murders his opponents.
One country has state controlled media and TV to control what you watch, read and hear
Etc etc etc etc etc....

Which country would YOU like to live in??



And no it's not North Korea.

You’re talking as though it’s something new and unique…it’s not.
Before our recent invasion of Afghanistan we’d invaded the country three times. Funny how people get excited over certain wars but not others.
In fact we’ve invaded more countries than any other country…..still live here though.

Google how many armed conflicts there are in the world, more than a hundred most in Africa, the arms dealers must be raking it in.

Wonder where they get them from…?
The AK47’s are now soooo last year

Well that won’t difficult to figure out will it Snowy, we both know the answer.

You’re talking as though it’s something new and unique…it’s not.
Before our recent invasion of Afghanistan we’d invaded the country three times. Funny how people get excited over certain wars but not others.
In fact we’ve invaded more countries than any other country…..still live here though.

Macron corrects Trump in the White House,
https://youtu.be/ZlEgRSU_D-M?si=KD7XA66JHf2MVx3f

There are places in Africa fighting wars now, but no one gives a shit who or how many die …but because people can relate to Ukrainians …..and the media are in hyper drive, everyone cares……..but no one’s on been on here expressing concern for Somalia’s civil war where even more have died …..because they don’t relate to them.

Whataboutery Snowy? I expect that of lesser men than thee.

Whataboutery; A woke response when the reply has depth.
We are drawn into conflicts that the media decide to highlight that forward the idiot utopian globalism that is on the horizon.