The Poolie Bunker

Wants triple lock to break and agrees pension age should increase. Is this so Richard Rice and his other friends can keep their money in overseas trusts? Will all Reform sponsors do well under the Farmer? Will his tax give away mean £200 per month charges for the Farage NHS?

Also his 120 billion of savings will freak out the bond markets and put private pensions on a disaster path as well.

Let's just skip the next 4 years and ignore everything Liz Kendall has to say eh.

Bond markets….? You’re an accountant…?

Reform have been saying it for months. How else do you find the savings? Only a tiny part of 130 billion comes from immigration savings.

They impact on everyone Snowy especially those with debts.

Never let political allegiances muddle your thinking.

He just says anything that will get him some publicity and have no facts to back it up.

Very true

I wised up years ago and decided what was best for me and mine was the line I would follow… excluding dictatorships, one Party states and anywhere with 100% turnouts at elections and only one candidate…as long as I can vote the fools out after voting them in …I’m happy.

The problem is the current bunch of fools are actually destroying the country and dont seem to give a feck about it. Imagine the state we will be in when the next election comes up. It is frankly depressing.

And 14 years of the tories was a bed of roses.

I was going to say....but hopefully you won't be around then....but decided not to....because it's not nice willing and wishing anyone to die.

So Labour are wrecking the country, the Tories did nothing in 14 years and some are dissing Reform before they've had a knock, so what's left to save us...the Lib Dems....Jeez we are fkd.

No interest indefending the Tories. Labour, Tory: two cheeks of the same arsehole. The current lot do seem to be accelarating the decline of the country. People in general seem to be more pissed off but, hey thats just my opinion. Do you think things were exactly the same under the Tories?

The Smug Party and the Comfy Party are panicking …the emergence of Corbyn’s Party and the Greens are gonna take votes from Starmer’s lot but achieve nothing of consequence and Reform are gonna take votes off everyone…..according to the Polls.
Being criticised by the Cons or Labour is like getting a lecture Ipoh Ethics from Attila the Hun.

That's the problem with REFORM, stupid policies like raising the retirement age, that would stop them from getting my vote. Labour though are also committed to doing this, so they won't be getting my vote either. 14 years of Tory rule has been a disaster for this country, but the decline started long before that, 1979 in fact, though I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion that BLiar more than Thatcher did more damage to the country, especially when it comes to immigration. I will vote for the party that looks to bring down the retirement age and tax the wealthy, these are no brainer policies if we want to save the country, though sadly like Pools I think its gone past the point of saving. REFORM will romp home in 2029, and both the Tories and Labour, failing to tackle and the cause of mass illegal and legal immigration, added to allowing the rich to get richer whilst fleecing the poor, will have only themselves to blame.

I agree Mr Jack, the old partys have taken us for granted and you correctly point out only the Rich will be happy under Farmer Farage. The West is in decline and history tells us that the populists and snake oil salesmen come to the fore promising the earth.

do not think corbyns lot will get that much support across the country but will in certain parts of london where labour has taken the ethnic vote for granted.

its worse as labour know what 14 years of failure were actually like but are continuing to fail miserably themselves with the average voter. two wrongs do not make one right.

It is a FACT that public and retirement pensions are unaffordable in the future and it does not matter which political party is in power, the problem must be tackled despite the disappointment that it will create amongst the older generation. If you have doubts, talk to any actuary!

It is a fact that in years gone by we were told that our NI contributions were an investment in and gave us entitlement to State Pension.
It's a fact that none of our previous governments had the foresight to actually invest some of our contributions into some form of a ring fenced "national social fund", together with a decent proportion of the income from UK Oil & Gas.
It's a fact that over a 3rd of the national benefits bill is spent on people of pension age - guess what they're probably the ones that need it and deserve it most. Because that means nearly 2/3rds is spent on kids and those of working age. It's also a fact that the high cost of benefits for pensioners has arisen because councils across the country sold off care homes and put elderly social care into the hands of private care home companies that were considered to be cheaper at the time. Guess what, once the deed was done those cars home companies raised their fees exponentially - who'd have seen that coming eh? Same as closing pits, shutting down manufacturing, closing shipyards and other heavy industry, privatising railways and utilities, because at the time things could be bought cheaper.
Every government has short term party centred plans and focus and it's killing the country.

Of the two thirds of the national benefit bill that does not go to pensioners how much goes to people who have never contributed a penny? Welfare state is a brilliant idea if the majority pay into the system. It falls apart when more take out than pay in.

Corbyn is gonna be a vote borrower from the Labour Party, that’s all, no real threat, only to the Labour Party.

I know quite a few who have never paid a stamp in their lives or struck a bat, who made a living out of studying the welfare system in depth and milking it till it ran dry..
If they’d put as much up effort into working that would probably have earned,more.

Absolutely, there have always been people like that but it seems that these days there are far more of them.

Weak shit governments create these lazy pisstakeing Bastads.

You have expressed the issue perfectly yet again.

Aye, cosset the assailant and ignore the victim.

What would you do with the people playing the welfare system though? Leave them to starve on the street and rob to survive? At what point does someone down on their luck become the person that we no longer support?

It's a bit like saying just send the illegal immigrants back, but to where? Which country in their right mind would allow us to land a plane of our rubbish on their airstrip without us paying them a fortune to do it (Rwanda anyone)?

And before you ask I don't have an answer which is why I'm not in politics.

Which country in their right mind would allow thousands of illegal immigrants to land on their shores and then put them in hotels, feed them, give them money etc!






We are the dumping ground for other countries illegal immigrants!

But they are here now so they are our problem. We are not accepting foreign government sponsored arrivals. Stopping any more illegal immigrants arriving is a different problem and I'm not too sure how we do that either without loss of life.

Why should they be our problem!

They were the problem of France and the country before and so on!
Turn the boats back to France by force if need be!

Surely no one on this board wants them here!!!!!

If the French Government had hired a ferry and turned up at Dover then I'd be all for simply turning the ferry round and escorting it back but that isn't how they got here.

Now these people are here (illegally I accept) then we need to deal with them one way or another. We can do what we are currently doing (which I think we all accept is costing a lot of money) or come up with another policy. I can't think of any other acceptable policy personally.

There is also the issue of additional people coming over in small boats. That is something that governments should have a clear policy on (in the same way as an airline passenger being found airside arrivals would be returned to the country the flight started from).

Maybe we should start thinking of some unacceptable policies then!

Because if this government does not come up with a proper policy of dealing with them, which should be to remove them from the UK, then the people of this country will think about dealing with the problem in their own way and will probably do so!

Nightingale detention centres, basic facilities and amenities provided until asylum claims are processed. Maybe the thought of months of those conditions would be a little less attractive.

Thing is they aren't really our "rubbish" as you put it, they're some other countries problem that has landed "illegally" at our doorstep, this idea of punishing the companies who supply these boats/engines/inflatables could work if it was well documented, but let's be honest the rest of Europe are glad to see the back of them so doubtful.

Don't rule that out

These budgets from now till 2029 will destroy the working Englishman to keep spoiling the bastads.

It could be Southport/ Murray St part 2 this Summer.

Save Our Kids.

The current government tried to tighten the criteria for PIP payments but the back benchers stopped it. Dont see why they cant scrutinize the criteria for other benefits and find savings that way. The problem is that successive governments would rather give money away than face the potential embarrassment of being called "uncaring". We need a government who is prepared to face down the BBC and the rest of the liberal establishment which dominate the political discourse in this country.

Some people think that because the MSM with their Oxbridge journalists and commentators must know what they’re talking about..but these smug windbags have their own agenda and needs scrutiny.

[quote="Stocksfield_Poolie"]Which country in their right mind would allow thousands of illegal immigrants to land on their shores and then put them in hotels, feed them, give them money etc!


thats why many insist on calling them asylum seekers and refugees. some might be but certainly not all by a long shot. who is to blame the most. certainly not the illegals with a choice of a tented camp versus 4 star hotels and a free legal system to help them on top.

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We are ‘led’ ( I use the word ‘led’ in it’s loosest sense) by uncertified fuckwits, other worldly dreamers who think everyone thinks like them…gullible transparent virgins when it comes to the realities of life who’ll disappear when the real job needs doing and the system will always look after them…you just pick up the bill anyway.

100% agree with you Snowy.

How about we ban asylum?

Great idea.

Farage was on the Nick Ferrari show this morning,

https://www.youtube.com/live/ZPTLYnnbN0 ... _E57uoiEBr

This is a summary if you don’t want to listen to the full 30 minutes,

https://youtu.be/aOBPybm79M0?si=yh-xwOUQoV0-gXKQ

Will you marry me…. ….only kidding!

This 100 %.

I remember the 80s when trying to get a job was brutal. The £18 a week dole was a deterent to make you try harder to live a life.

Now a large proportion of lazy bastads choose 20k a year benefits.
And thats down to years of braindead governments.

The 80’s were naughty, but they didn’t exactly spoil you with benefits…but that was when things were starting to change bit by bit .
It’s like the benefit system was taken over by missionary’s and hippies who’d swallow any old so story every time.