I gather they’re talking about £900 a year, which will work out at £17.30 a week.
Go for that Gulfstream jet Jamie, I’m ordering a yacht.

I am aware of USA help during the 2nd world war. However as said we have contributed 15 billion to Ukraine whilst Australia a country with similar wealth contributed 1 billion. So going back to the 22 billion deficit . Reducing overseas aid for 1 year and reducing aid to Ukraine for the same period solves the problem. 1.4 billion saving to the pensioners of which many may die if we have a harsh winter is disgusting. Running an economy is the same as running a family budget. You prioritise your finances in ways in which your family will be least hurt. So if you run an expensive car you trade it in for a cheaper one. Look after our own country first, yes help others but accordingly with regards your budget.

And as regards supplying more and more weapons to Ukraine we should be doing more in relation to peace talks. You don’t fight fire with fire. Doesn’t mankind learn anything?

Money (from arms sales) makes the world go round, the world go round......

Dealing with Putin is non negotiable, he won’t give up any of the Ukrainian occupied by Russia.

Isn’t that why Kennedy was assassinated he wanted to with draw the troops from Vietnam but the arms manufacturing companies didn’t ?

spot on harrogate but we all know given the chance this country is always near the top of the list to help any country and its inhabitants before their own. look after number one and anything over give that in aid. you would not go round morrisons cutting down on food only to give a good deal more to a charity collector.

It's quite obvious the political classes live in a completely different world to the plebs they control (oops that should be represent).
None of them can empathise with hard working people, pensioners, or the homeless struggling to survive day to day. But worse than that none of them want to! They're all quite happy enriching the lives of themselves and their ilk and furthering their own social standings.
New Labour and the champagne socialists basically killed off true representative democracy in this serfdom.

This lot are a bit naive, they approach government with the wisdom of teenager.
Where are the wise heads, it’s just Starmer’s house trained youth club.

He also had it in for the CIA, Strange thing was at the time of the Assassination, One G Bush Snr had just joined the cia and was actually arrested there.
And of course was released.

Agree, But it could stop thousands more dieing/suffering.

Exactly!

How many died in the Falklands conflict and that was 1000s of miles away and not bordering any other countries yet the U.K. still went to war to get it back although no idea why albeit Thatchers popularity was waning at the time and it boosted her popularity.

Our forces were ‘lucky’ had the fusing been different, HMS Glasgow, HMS Antrim, HMS Broadsword, HMS Alacrity, HMS Argonaut, HMS Plymouth, and perhaps 4 RFA ships would have been lost in action from various levels of damage due to 500lb and 1000lb bomb hits, comprising some 2,000 or more Sailors and Royal Marines. That would have tripled the deaths in the campaign

Because the islanders chose to be aligned with the UK when given the choice of us or the Argentinians.
And if Defence Minister Nott had not planned large defence cuts including HMS Endurance the Falkland Islands patrol vessel giving the Argentinians the idea we were going to be incapable of doing bugger all about it because we appeared to have lost interest….it might never have happened.
Never trust a Tory with defence…on second thoughts …. never trust any politician with defence.

I am comparing what the Ukrainians are doing, protecting their sovereignty like the U.K. did with the Falklands not about the defence cuts the U.K. made Snowy.

The thing is we don't give proportionate support against what we can afford or what the people of this country would, we have hickey mouse politicians pretending were a world power so spending more to look like Billy Big Bollocks. We do the same with Green issues and other bigger countries and blocs just laugh at the stupidity of it all.
We're spending money we haven't got on vain projects while voting to freeze pensioners to death. It's f*cking shameful that a so called world leader can do this to his own citizens.

Just replying to what you wrote.
As for Ukraine…where’s it going? …and giving long range missiles to strike targets deep inside Russia would have lead to panic not so long ago and still fills me with doubts.

Once Trump gets in over the pond it may not matter anyway as he will tell his mate Putin that the US will not be giving anything to the Ukranians to fire into Russia, not even tennis balls.

Further, I think if the UK has a bad winter and thousands of pensioners die the media will go on a witch hunt and Starmer will certainly be out. It’s just madness and Ill thought out.

Wars are good for nothing but humongous profits. Even Mark Thatcher dabbled in the arms trade back in the 80s or 90s and nothing happened to him. The Americans had to join to war to get out of a financial disaster if memory serves.

Won't happen even though it should. The media are part of the global system that allows people to be hudwinked.They are not allowed to say a word about any major issues without getting permission from above.

Double post

Coming out now that the government after being g pressed to publish the impact assessment of removing wfa that they actually didn't do any such assessment. This will run and run for quite a while yet.

I heard quoted 1.4 billion for the WFA Yet the climate change kitty for Africa is 11.4 billion….so take 1.4 billion off the climate change kitty, problem solved.
Better still don’t bother with the climate change money even if we get an itemised list of how it was spent.

Someone explain how such a small amount in relative terms was going to cause an economic crisis……pure undiluted propaganda working under the assumption the public are stupid.

the only opposition labour will get is from the man in the street and political commentators away from the MSM. we will have 4 years to wait before we can make a change and they know quite well many will be not around who have lost the allowance by then by natural causes. hope i,m correct by saying i doubt anyone will die this winter due to their inability to keep warm in the same way that was forecast with the increase in prices last year. still does not make the decision made a correct one.

You, Me and most of this board know, There is NO Labour Party.
SIR K has put the last nail in its coffin, Going to say it again politely, "They Don,t Care"
But remember they and their supporters, We be coming back for OUR support eventually, So "Dont Forget The Treatment You And Your Families Are GoingTo/Have recieved" I won,t.

Starmer was on the TV other day saying we will fix the NHS over the next 10 years.
He's that dumb n selfish he doesn't realise our SuperNige will be rectifying his chaos in 5 years time.
That's already a done deal.

UTR.

in any governments term of office they bring out policies people do not want or like. the problem is that by the next general election most are forgotton about. feel this is not going to be the case with this government as if the currant policy does not rid us of starmer it will this government. a policy you have to look far and wide to find someone outside of westminster who agrees with unlike any others that usually have a few supporters.

Would have expected more outcry from the NHS and The BMA.

The new line Labour are putting out is that they were voted in by a massive margin because the voters liked their policy’s……discussion closed.
Trouble is they had no hard policy’s, just aspirational waffle…if they had revealed these policy’s they’re rolling out before the election they’d all be signing on..

14 years in the planning and they've got nothing of substance to offer which will improve things.
Criticised the Tories for every move but never offered any alternatives, party of protest and nowt else. Government in waiting full of empty promises.
Removal of WFA blamed on Tories ffs, at least if you've made a decision own it. Weasly "we didn't want to do it but those big boys made us then ran away" is absolute bullshit. To do this a couple of weeks after gaining power means it was planned ages ago.

530 posts on this and the other WFA thread.
Starmer take notice !

They don,t care and SLY, Whats new about a MP.

And lots more to come, Tough decisions, But we are the party to make them.

NOT ONE decision will affect them 1%, Sir K is a Fraud, Followed by HIS nodding DOGS.

Rottweiler Rachel must have been straining on the leash to be set loose.

Sad, But true.

Regarding council tax.
I was reading RR years ago which was rumoured to be applied to Aprils c tax.

A new policy were you p
ay 0.5% a year value of your property.
Obviously them down south would pay a lot more. But Hpool in Co. Durham would pay one of the lowest.

For the last 33 years we paying roughly the same as Chelsea prices 4th highest in the country despite our property's being about 6to 7 times cheaper.

Sounds to good to be true but would knock about 60% of our bills in hpool.

Find out halloween eve.

But wouldn’t that mean local rates income would fall dramatically leaving an huge shortfall in finances…..unless the entire rating system was taken out off local Council control and doled out by central government….?

Doesn't all Council Tax go to Central Government with a proportion coming back to the local Council budgets?

Half of business rates go to central government and domestic rates retained locally last time I looked.

Clears that up thanks.

all they promised was Change which they used to get into power. problem was we were never told what this change would actually be.

i for one would go with that and the less councils have power in our lives the better. thats with the poor westminster governments we have had over the years. know some want more affairs done locally but less control the better for me.

Less power for councils will probably happen under this lot, but far more control from Central Government. The fact that a guy got 8 months inside for "using racist words" (name calling) recently tells you that things are t going to get any less controlling.

think its more of possibility a causing a riot or making a bad situation worse rather than using racist words name calling. its horses for courses when if anyone on here posted racist words or comments its hardly going to influence anybody but would in a volatile situation saying the same thing.

If that's correct Accy why hasn't this happened over the past 10 20 30 50 years etc. And if the plan was always to stop free speech why didn't they build another 5 / 10 prisons in advance instead of letting criminals out extra early. The cost could have been easily paid for by not sending billions to Ukraine and Israel and many other countries. Instead we have a broken prison system & take money from our most vulnerable people to fill the avoidable shortfall.

Hitler promised change….. :shock……I like it when they specify what their change is exactly…..before I vote for them.

Mick Docherty promised change when appointed manager. And true to his word he changed everything for the worse.

you cannot build prisons in advance for a situation that has never looked like happening in the country before. its a case of understanding why they have took these actions as much as not agreeing with them. a situation in many ways they have brought upon themselves that many do not agree with. many though actually do especially on the guardian left and older immigrant communities themselves like it or not. if people could demonstate without the situation getting out of control into a riot then things would be fine. even in football a few away fans need to be segregated from the rest in case something kicks off. this should never be the case in the same way protests should be peaceful. in this case the governments actions seems to be working as everything has gone quiet on the rioting front but concerns of many are still there. in this one case the blame for stopping free speech is on the heads of the rioting loons rather than the government and have done more damage to us who want to stop the boats than any lefty has done or said.