This is gonna be a dilemma for Labour MP’s as he’s a bit Stalinist in controlling the Party and apparently is quick to withdraw the whip from doubters.
Wonder how our new MP will vote on the subject..will he make a principled stand for his constituents or be a nodding dog for Starmer’s brave new world …..
We live in interesting times.

makes a total farce of the system where MP.s are not allowed their own voices and just have to rubber stamp decisions made by the pm or the cabinet. if you support any party ever it would be hard to find a single supporter or voter of that party who agreed with everything they did in government or opposition.

Well you find out if their loyalty is to their constituents or their Party.

the party should come third well after their constituents and their own personal stance of issues. they are all there for the good of the country as a whole including people who never voted for them. not just voting fodder for the pm,s wishes.

Are they going to be Far Right.

They are afterall public servants.

Nice one Mr G. I ….love under stated sarcasm
I think the term we’re looking for is ‘apparatchiks’.

I have voted Labour all my life but I feel stabbed in the back by steamer the winter fuel payment was a life line for some pensioners so much for loyalty to the party

Glad you liked that Snowy, Also like the "Choice" we are given on polling day, Thats a killer.

The only loyalty they will show is to Business, Money Money Money, Their God.

Labour MPs who vote against it will be threatened to have the whip removed by Starmer.

and its called free speech and living in a democracy.

When does the vote take place?

really it does not matter as we all know the outcome of it now. the only good thing about it is finding the names of any who vote against it to be remembered in a positive way in the future. those who vote for it are more or less voting against the wishes of the vast majority of the country including the millions it does not affect never mind those they represent.

Tuesday. Be interesting to see what the politburo do if there's a big rebellion.
Mind you he was careful to pick the young and house trained in his own image as candidates…..I’m very interested at what our local MP does.
‘ It’s Labour Jim …. but not as we know it.’

Depends if it’s a free vote or a whipped vote.

Don’t be doing the mock naive act Jamie you tinker…if it’s a free vote you’ll be a marked person, if it’s a whipped vote, it’ll save a few people’s blushes.

It was an absolutely stupid decision both morally and politically.
What was KS & RR thinking? When it was announced i saw it on Arsebook first and i thought it was a wind up. Even now i cant see any justification for it as its been paid for 27 years and is therefore a "baked" in part of the pension payment.
I would not like to be one of the new MPs and this gives the Tories,Lib Dems,Corbyn and Farage lots of ammunition for years to come.

A cop out would be to make it a separate but taxable benefit that you would have to claim yearly.
This would at least claw back a minimum of 20% and higher and have a cut off for some affluent pensioners. Others simply may not claim it.

The millions it does not effect, Will be affected in the future!

To boldly go NO fecking where

Thats why they promising £400 next year, Bring quite a few nicely into the TAX bracket.

Triple Lock Honour /carry on from the Cons.
Average earnings above 2.5%.

But 2 tier will make out its a good will gesture from his crank party.

All to go on the inflation busting c tax rises.
Because he instructed the police to hang back at the riots instead of nipping it in the bud ASAP.
Ye.

Honoured the triple lock but by taking the WFA they most certainly diluted the effect of the triple lock.
Give a rise of £900 then take away £300 is a £600 rise and therefore the triple lock is smashed. As it was the year before by Sunak. Shower of thieving scum.
By the same token making less well pensioners claim Pension Credit is a cynical way of saving g money, they know many are too proud to claim a benefit, or not savvy enough to go through the process. It would be easy enough to make payment automatic but they choose not to do so.

If there is a proposal put forward can an amendment be made ?

thats the problem. nobody are really interested unless it affects them today. make it so easy to divide and conquer.

Perhaps its all just a ploy to smoke out any dissenters in the party?

I think it's grandstanding. "Look how tough I am"

The whole winter fuel thing is an unnecessary own goal.

they are not dissenters but people with a mind of their own who rightly or wrongly could be the one in the right on this and every other issue they vote for. just how could anyone who were voted in as a MP just become voting fodder for a pm. and not represent the people in their constituancy or their own points of view. if this isn,t a one man dictatorship i,ve never seen one.

Some thing similar when MP had an open vote over the reintroduction of the death penalty. At a public meeting I asked our MP if his vote would mirror what his constituents views only to be told it was his view and would not that of his constituents thst was wanted.

the only problem there is i doubt any MP knows what the majority of there constituents think on any subject but know how they feel personally about it.

Been following this story and to be honest I think it’s shocking if this goes through. Labour will have blood on their hands as many more pensioners will die if there is another harsh winter. The UK is one of the richest countries in the world and it cannot protect its most vulnerable citizens

something we can learn from many immigrants who treat their old with respect and look after them in their old age and not rushing them into a care home like many brits are quick to do.

Been saying this time and time again, "They don,t care"

wasn,t the same thing said last year though about deaths through cold and the choice between heating and eating. did actually any die and how many had to make that choice. its just stretching the rubber band a bit more which is the problem and the budget in october might stretch it even further when motoring costs might increase forcing pensioners off the road to stop the rubber band snapping.

Just out of interest who, apart from myself (twice) has bothered to email our local M.P. or has apathy set in?

The pensioners would have got the £400 with the triple lock irrespective if they received the WFA or not, give in one hand take it away with the other.

Our new MP doesnt answer emails apparently!

Our new MP just likes a million photographic opportunities

My MP is Conservative!!

If you have a Labour MP people should write but it would be pointless writing to your MP if they are not Labour.

Labour MP's Lavish Property Purchase:

Just How Did He Afford It?

A former Hartlepool Town Councillor who now sits as an elected member of Parliament is facing questions from his own constituents over his lavish property purchases consisting of his own £610k 8 bedroomed detatched family home, & a property in County Durham said to be worth over half a million pounds on today’s market….

Jonathan Brash, a former Hartlepool Labour Councillor recently elected as the Labour MP for the North East Town, is said to be facing questions over just how he managed to finance the purchase of a luxurious bungalow purchased at over half a million pounds just two years after securing a £600k mortgage on his 1st residence,& on what many claim to have been his 'varied' income'...

It comes following Mr Brash’s declaration to Parliament of a property said to be worth over £100k, when in reality, & a meticulous investigation spanning several months, the property was found to be worth much more…

The property, complete with a swimming pool, and said to be situated on more than half an acre of land in Spennymoor County Durham, is likley to raise eyebrows within the local MP’s community, especially given his ‘varied’ income supposedly received from his job as a the Head of psychology at a school in Yarm Teesside & his then £640 a month councillors allowance representing his constituents as a Labour Councillor for the towns Burn Valley Ward until his resignation in early August this year..

The controversy began after Mr. Brash recently disclosed the acquisition of a second property in his financial declaration to parliament upon being elected as the Hartlepool Labour MP, a property said to have been separate to that of his primary residence.

Hartlepool's just inherited
yet another 'champagne socialist'
...............
Mr Brash, alongside his wife Pamela Hargreaves co own their family residence (an 8 bedroomed family detached home in a plush Hartlepool suburb) said to have been purchased in 2020 for the princely sum of £610,000....

The timing and circumstances surrounding this purchase have led to speculation on just how he managed to acquire a mortgage for his second property, given the hefty financial burden of the 1st, with many questioning just how a monthly councillor's salary of just £640 per month from Hartlepool Borough Council & a ‘modest’ salary as the head of Psychology at a local private school could have possibly funded such an extravagant venture on top of the hefty financial burden of his £610k mortgage shouldered for his current property.

The ‘Millionaire Labour MP’….
At least on paper that is !
...............

This latest addition to Mr. Brash’s property portfolio reportedly brings the combined total value of the Hartlepool MP’s real estate holdings to well over a million pounds, with critics arguing that his income as a former town councillor and part-time educator falls way short of what would be needed to secure the hefty mortgages required for such a purchase without external financial support.

Mr. Brash's business interests add another twist to the story. Where alongside his wife, Pamela Hargreaves, who’s also a Labour councillor for Hartlepool, he co-directs the limited company ‘Hargreaves Brash Properties Ltd’. This company, according to its latest unaudited accounts filed at companies hosue in July 2023, appears to be the vehicle through which the County Durham bungalow was acquired.

Financial records claim the Bungalow is being rented out to a tenant....
.........

The property, listed as a ‘fixed asset’ in the company's financial statements is said to be generating a rental income in excess of £10,000 a year, according to Mr Brash’s disclosure to Parliament recently.

JW Wood Estate Agents, who marketed the property in 2022, described the property as ‘an "impressive" home’, featuring four large bedrooms—two with en suite facilities—a swimming pool, hot tub, double garage, and even a detached stable block. The property’s layout and amenities make it an ideal modern family home, further emphasizing its high value and luxurious nature….

You would need some income
to afford those types of mortgages....
......................

A £525,000 mortgage for the property in Spennymoor is a considerable financial purchase, with one lender telling us that in order for such a mortgage to be approved, lenders would need to see an applicant’s income received of around £112k a year for such a mortgage to be agreed (although this could vary between lenders)....

But even if those lending conditions weren’t met, mortgage providers could (in certain circumstances) approve the lending of such a mortgage based on 5.5 times & (even sometimes six times) the applicant’s annual salary, taking the lending requirements down to just £83k a year, however this would have to be addressed on a case by case basis…

It reminds you of the Peter Mandleson
saga all over again !
...................

As the story unfolds, Mr. Brash is likely to face increasing pressure from his political opponents as well as members of the public to explain how he financed this substantial purchase whilst just putting in 20 hours a month as a town councillor, with the situation eerily echoing the controversies that surrounded former Hartlepool Labour MP Peter Mandelson when he served as the towns Member of Parliament for the Labour Party in the late 1990s & early 2000s, suggesting this issue may not be resolved quietly.

For now, the question on the minds of Mr Brash's constituents is likely to be clear:

Just How did he manage to afford those properties on his income?

Labour MP's Lavish Property Purchase:

Just How Did He Afford It?

A former Hartlepool Town Councillor who now sits as an elected member of Parliament is facing questions from his own constituents over his lavish property purchases consisting of his own £610k 8 bedroomed detatched family home, & a property in County Durham said to be worth over half a million pounds on today’s market….

Jonathan Brash, a former Hartlepool Labour Councillor recently elected as the Labour MP for the North East Town, is said to be facing questions over just how he managed to finance the purchase of a luxurious bungalow purchased at over half a million pounds just two years after securing a £600k mortgage on his 1st residence,& on what many claim to have been his 'varied' income'...

It comes following Mr Brash’s declaration to Parliament of a property said to be worth over £100k, when in reality, & a meticulous investigation spanning several months, the property was found to be worth much more…

The property, complete with a swimming pool, and said to be situated on more than half an acre of land in Spennymoor County Durham, is likley to raise eyebrows within the local MP’s community, especially given his ‘varied’ income supposedly received from his job as a the Head of psychology at a school in Yarm Teesside & his then £640 a month councillors allowance representing his constituents as a Labour Councillor for the towns Burn Valley Ward until his resignation in early August this year..

The controversy began after Mr. Brash recently disclosed the acquisition of a second property in his financial declaration to parliament upon being elected as the Hartlepool Labour MP, a property said to have been separate to that of his primary residence.

Hartlepool's just inherited
yet another 'champagne socialist'
...............
Mr Brash, alongside his wife Pamela Hargreaves co own their family residence (an 8 bedroomed family detached home in a plush Hartlepool suburb) said to have been purchased in 2020 for the princely sum of £610,000....

The timing and circumstances surrounding this purchase have led to speculation on just how he managed to acquire a mortgage for his second property, given the hefty financial burden of the 1st, with many questioning just how a monthly councillor's salary of just £640 per month from Hartlepool Borough Council & a ‘modest’ salary as the head of Psychology at a local private school could have possibly funded such an extravagant venture on top of the hefty financial burden of his £610k mortgage shouldered for his current property.

The ‘Millionaire Labour MP’….
At least on paper that is !
...............

This latest addition to Mr. Brash’s property portfolio reportedly brings the combined total value of the Hartlepool MP’s real estate holdings to well over a million pounds, with critics arguing that his income as a former town councillor and part-time educator falls way short of what would be needed to secure the hefty mortgages required for such a purchase without external financial support.

Mr. Brash's business interests add another twist to the story. Where alongside his wife, Pamela Hargreaves, who’s also a Labour councillor for Hartlepool, he co-directs the limited company ‘Hargreaves Brash Properties Ltd’. This company, according to its latest unaudited accounts filed at companies hosue in July 2023, appears to be the vehicle through which the County Durham bungalow was acquired.

Financial records claim the Bungalow is being rented out to a tenant....
.........

The property, listed as a ‘fixed asset’ in the company's financial statements is said to be generating a rental income in excess of £10,000 a year, according to Mr Brash’s disclosure to Parliament recently.

JW Wood Estate Agents, who marketed the property in 2022, described the property as ‘an "impressive" home’, featuring four large bedrooms—two with en suite facilities—a swimming pool, hot tub, double garage, and even a detached stable block. The property’s layout and amenities make it an ideal modern family home, further emphasizing its high value and luxurious nature….

You would need some income
to afford those types of mortgages....
......................

A £525,000 mortgage for the property in Spennymoor is a considerable financial purchase, with one lender telling us that in order for such a mortgage to be approved, lenders would need to see an applicant’s income received of around £112k a year for such a mortgage to be agreed (although this could vary between lenders)....

But even if those lending conditions weren’t met, mortgage providers could (in certain circumstances) approve the lending of such a mortgage based on 5.5 times & (even sometimes six times) the applicant’s annual salary, taking the lending requirements down to just £83k a year, however this would have to be addressed on a case by case basis…

It reminds you of the Peter Mandleson
saga all over again !
...................

As the story unfolds, Mr. Brash is likely to face increasing pressure from his political opponents as well as members of the public to explain how he financed this substantial purchase whilst just putting in 20 hours a month as a town councillor, with the situation eerily echoing the controversies that surrounded former Hartlepool Labour MP Peter Mandelson when he served as the towns Member of Parliament for the Labour Party in the late 1990s & early 2000s, suggesting this issue may not be resolved quietly.

For now, the question on the minds of Mr Brash's constituents is likely to be clear:

Just How did he manage to afford those properties on his income?

We left it for you.Did you sign it the Bunker?

Apathy party wins again (:

Thing is there is other ways to recoup, This to me seems a personal vendetta.

Like the kid who owns tha ball.

I emailed my mp, no response to date but told him that to vote for the removal was a vote to condemn 4000 old people to early death, and an abstention still made him partially culpa le for those deaths.
Don't know how any of them sleep at night although Labour has history of mass illegal killings with Tony Blair. I guess this is small fry in comparison.

So what are you insinuating about Brash, you have no idea how he went about obtaining the mortgage etc. he and his partner might have had an inheritance ?

Aye, Britains most notorious serial killer.

The way Labour have communicated this is very poor. It's a daft handout to be honest, as I reckon most people in the House of Lords get it, to use one example. Millions more receive it that don't need it. On top of that pensions are going up, while existing help isn't being taken up. And as I understand it, means testing this will cost more than it saves.
All that said, obviously there will be people who may well be affected who are borderline for existing benefits. In short it needs to go, should have been better explained but has been rushed through, possibly so it doesn't happen last minute before Christmas. All a bit of a mess of their own making.
One thing is for sure, the country is up the creek financially and I fully expect richer people are going to be hammered in October, all of which is unavoidable.
One thing I would really like to see though, is the HMRC being beefed up to ensure taxes are fairly and fully collected.

Of course it doesn't need to go, you're advocating the early deaths of 4000 old people.
Introduce means testing and do an impact assessment so that only those who can afford to lose it do.
Did they have to give Junior Dr's a out £10k per year, or if they don't all need it make them fill the self made black hole.

He answered my first one after three weeks blaming the tories. So I emailed him again with even more questions, still waiting I,m now the dog with a bone and I'm not letting go.