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 Post subject: Middle Lane Hoggers
PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:48 am 
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seems something that winds so many drivers up. personally i cannot see whats wrong with it on a three lane motorway as its far safer and easier than zig zagging in and out of slower moving traffic especiaaly if you are driving up to the speed limit. there is always the outside lane that the german car drivers can use.


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 Post subject: Re: Middle Lane Hoggers
PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:26 am 
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It might suit you to do it but it's plain wrong. Drivers aren't supposed to hog any overtaking lane - you complete your manoeuvre and move back inside.

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Keep in the left lane unless overtaking.

If you are overtaking, you should return to the left lane when it is safe to do so.


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It's complicated now by the fact that a lot of inside lanes become feeder lanes for the next slip road off, hence you find yourself having to move over into the next lane to carry straight on, the M62 near Manchester being a typical example, therefore leading to many drivers just staying in the second lane to avoid having to repeatedly do this.

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 Post subject: Re: Middle Lane Hoggers
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Fair enough if it is really busy, but you see people doing this when there are no other cars in the inside lane for miles.


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It's the first over-taking lane on a three lane motorway not the middle lane, unless you're overtaking a slower moving vehicle you have no need to be in either of the outside lanes


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 Post subject: Re: Middle Lane Hoggers
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Ok with three lanes, infuriating with two lanes…saw a bloke on Sunday night stuck in the outside lane and not a car in sight…. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Middle Lane Hoggers
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Not ok unless we introduce the us style freeway where undertaking is legal. Keep left unless overtaking, used to be a public service ad "don't be a middle lane hog" another was "dont be an amber gambler". Should reintroduced them, and the beach safety ones imo.


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We've spoken on here before about the reintroduction of public information films/adverts, we have a generation or two even who need to be constantly reminded about driving issues, litter, personal safety etc. for their own and other people's benefits.

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 Post subject: Re: Middle Lane Hoggers
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I got done for driving down the middle lane on the road to Hull Airport albeit I was the only car on the road, Bank Holiday Monday at 7 am and I was doing 90 ! Copper asked me why was I driving down the middle lane, he never asked me why I was speeding !


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PTID wrote:
Not ok unless we introduce the us style freeway where undertaking is legal. Keep left unless overtaking, used to be a public service ad "don't be a middle lane hog" another was "dont be an amber gambler". Should reintroduced them, and the beach safety ones imo.

I’ll decide what’s ok….for me. Try driving up the M1 on a Friday afternoon dropping in amongst the wagons then out again…rinse and repeat for 200 miles.
It’s more of hazard constantly changing lanes.
How long have you been a traffic warden incidentally.

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I got done for driving down the middle lane on the road to Hull Airport albeit I was the only car on the road, Bank Holiday Monday at 7 am and I was doing 90 ! Copper asked me why was I driving down the middle lane, he never asked me why I was speeding !

Admit it Jamie it actually was the runway at Hull Airport…we’ve all done it. :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Middle Lane Hoggers
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It's not OK because it's in breach of the highway code and could get you pulled by the police. As for hazards, you may think it's less hazardous but probably not people who are held up behind.
I'm not trying to tell you how to drive just that it's not OK because it's against the highway code. If you choose to do it that's up to you but imo it's wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: Middle Lane Hoggers
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I really don’t care.

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But you do otherwise why the aggressive response?


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But you do otherwise why the aggressive response?

Aggressive sctatchinghead When was using the term …..‘I don’t really care’ remotely aggressive, is English your first language….?…..you’re sounding like the Highway Code equivalent of Keith Lard.

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Try reading your initial response, the questioning of my first language is hardly passive either to be fair.i didn't realise it was a mortal sin to air an opinion which contradicts The Great Snowy. Who'd have thought this was a forum for discussion and debate eh?


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PTID wrote:
Try reading your initial response, the questioning of my first language is hardly passive either to be fair.i didn't realise it was a mortal sin to air an opinion which contradicts The Great Snowy. Who'd have thought this was a forum for discussion and debate eh?

To have a debate, you require opposing opinions, otherwise it’s a back slapping love in. You can air any opinion you like, I can’t and don’t want to stop you. But don’t be so naive as to think every action hasn’t got a reaction.
Do I complain when you accentuate the positive under the rainbow at the Vic regardless, no, not even when your positivity drains me at times through your rose tinted glasses …..but if you’re going to address me like a prefect you’d better expect ‘incoming’.

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 Post subject: Re: Middle Lane Hoggers
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I’m with Snowy on this one, I can’t get at all excited about drivers ‘overstaying their welcome’ in the middle lane. What does make my blood boil are the wankers who believe that it’s OK to drive down Easington Road past the hospital, pelican crossing etc at 80mph and more - or the equally brainless tossers that belt through 20mph school zones at 40-60mph. Surely how the police should deal with these increasingly common offenders deserves a little ‘discussion and debate’ on this forum?


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 Post subject: Re: Middle Lane Hoggers
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If we all had to move into the near side lane we’d have a convoy of cars squeezed in between the lorries chugging along, getting nowhere fast and begs the bleedin obvious question ….who is supposed to be there in the middle lane…I realise the outside lane is only for sale reps, area managers and general feckwits.

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But correct use of lanes is supposed to prevent the convoys and improve safety, isn't that reasonable?


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Get in your car and drive down to London on the M 1….then apply your logic.

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I'll decide where and how I drive thanks.


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I'll decide where and how I drive thanks.

Can’t afford any more points ……so go careful….

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 Post subject: Re: Middle Lane Hoggers
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Jamie1952 wrote:
I got done for driving down the middle lane on the road to Hull Airport albeit I was the only car on the road, Bank Holiday Monday at 7 am and I was doing 90 ! Copper asked me why was I driving down the middle lane, he never asked me why I was speeding !


Since when has Hull had an airport?
I was a student in Hull '96-'99., so know the place quite well. Admittedly not been back recently, whereabouts in Hull is this?


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I got done for driving down the middle lane on the road to Hull Airport albeit I was the only car on the road, Bank Holiday Monday at 7 am and I was doing 90 ! Copper asked me why was I driving down the middle lane, he never asked me why I was speeding !


Since when has Hull had an airport?
I was a student in Hull '96-'99., so know the place quite well. Admittedly not been back recently, whereabouts in Hull is this?

It’s south of the Humber in Lincolnshire actually south of a place called Ulcerby.

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PTID wrote:
I'll decide where and how I drive thanks.


Your a feisty one you are :laugh:


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Kettering Poolie wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
I got done for driving down the middle lane on the road to Hull Airport albeit I was the only car on the road, Bank Holiday Monday at 7 am and I was doing 90 ! Copper asked me why was I driving down the middle lane, he never asked me why I was speeding !


Since when has Hull had an airport?
I was a student in Hull '96-'99., so know the place quite well. Admittedly not been back recently, whereabouts in Hull is this?


Try using Google it can be quite useful at times.


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Snowy wrote:
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I got done for driving down the middle lane on the road to Hull Airport albeit I was the only car on the road, Bank Holiday Monday at 7 am and I was doing 90 ! Copper asked me why was I driving down the middle lane, he never asked me why I was speeding !

Admit it Jamie it actually was the runway at Hull Airport…we’ve all done it. :laugh:


I had actually took my foot of the accelerator as I was touching the ton but the police car clocked me below that or it could have been an automatic ban.


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Snowy wrote:
If we all had to move into the near side lane we’d have a convoy of cars squeezed in between the lorries chugging along, getting nowhere fast and begs the bleedin obvious question ….who is supposed to be there in the middle lane…I realise the outside lane is only for sale reps, area managers and general feckwits.

when three lane motorways first came into being lane 1 was called the slow lane, lane 2 the fast lane and the outside lane the overtaking one. know traffic and average speeds have increased since then but for me it was a better system. its just now that some who want to go 80 plus seem afraid of the outside lane prefering to flash lights at someone only doing 75. then there are the lane 1 hoggers who refuse to move over allowing others to enter the motorway.


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I’m with Snowy on this one, I can’t get at all excited about drivers ‘overstaying their welcome’ in the middle lane. What does make my blood boil are the wankers who believe that it’s OK to drive down Easington Road past the hospital, pelican crossing etc at 80mph and more - or the equally brainless tossers that belt through 20mph school zones at 40-60mph. Surely how the police should deal with these increasingly common offenders deserves a little ‘discussion and debate’ on this forum?

think there is a bit of adding a bit on drivers speeds going on there especially in the 20 limit near schools. thing is these limits are not all near schools anyway and going over that limit on weekends and non school days isn,t going to put loads of kids lives in danger. possibly if everyone remembered what they were taught when starting to drive we would not need speed limits or cameras even if the latter were for safety reasons only.


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seems something that winds so many drivers up. personally i cannot see whats wrong with it on a three lane motorway as its far safer and easier than zig zagging in and out of slower moving traffic especiaaly if you are driving up to the speed limit. there is always the outside lane that the german car drivers can use.



You clearly don’t realise that anything over 3.5 tonne or towing a trailer can’t use the outside lane so you’re basically blocking the road.


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Next time I'm stuck behind a middle lane hogger I'll be thinking "wonder if that's so and so from the bunker".


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PTID wrote:
But correct use of lanes is supposed to prevent the convoys and improve safety, isn't that reasonable?


I agree with Snowy here because jumping in and out of the near lane does put peoples lives in danger. Articulated lorries cannot stop quickly or reduce speed as quick as cars can and need a much longer breaking distance. This is why so many people have lost lives in that lane getting sandwiched between lorries / buses etc. The Artics are limited to 56 mph so cars doing say 70 mph need to hit the break fairy quickly to adjust to that speed when entering that lane, otherwise they risk hitting the lorry in front up the rear end. The more times you go in and out of that lane the risk gets greater :wink: I personally do not like cars hogging the middle lane especially when it's quite or late at night. But when it busy it's safer in my eyes especially for new drivers or old aged drivers. The highway code constantly changes because they do not always get it right. :roll:


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seems something that winds so many drivers up. personally i cannot see whats wrong with it on a three lane motorway as its far safer and easier than zig zagging in and out of slower moving traffic especiaaly if you are driving up to the speed limit. there is always the outside lane that the german car drivers can use.



You clearly don’t realise that anything over 3.5 tonne or towing a trailer can’t use the outside lane so you’re basically blocking the road.

Not if you’re driving at the speed limit.

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Naw, these middle laners are happy at 50 oblivious to traffic overtaking them both sides.


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Naw, these middle laners are happy at 50 oblivious to traffic overtaking them both sides.

I do seventy in the middle lane because the outside lane is the home of the loons in semi house trained Audi’s ans BMW’s.

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Jamie1952 wrote:
Kettering Poolie wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
I got done for driving down the middle lane on the road to Hull Airport albeit I was the only car on the road, Bank Holiday Monday at 7 am and I was doing 90 ! Copper asked me why was I driving down the middle lane, he never asked me why I was speeding !


Since when has Hull had an airport?
I was a student in Hull '96-'99., so know the place quite well. Admittedly not been back recently, whereabouts in Hull is this?


Try using Google it can be quite useful at times.


Alright Jamie - it was a simple question that I thought you might be able to answer given you've been there- telling me to Google it is quite frankly embarrassing.

Given it's in Lincolnshire (thanks Snowy) tells me it's NOT in Hull. As I said I lived there for 3 years and couldn't possibly envisage where it could have been, only to now discover it isn't.I assume you're also a London Luton man sctatchinghead

As for your heavy footed middle lane speeding maybe you slipped into a Smooth radio ABBA trance bbolt


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Snowy wrote:
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Naw, these middle laners are happy at 50 oblivious to traffic overtaking them both sides.

I do seventy in the middle lane because the outside lane is the home of the loons in semi house trained Audi’s ans BMW’s.


Just as likely to be a van in the outside lane these days - or someone tootling along in a compact car. Anyone who doesn't want to sit in a tailback created by a Middle Laner Hogger.


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Flying Hogans wrote:
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Naw, these middle laners are happy at 50 oblivious to traffic overtaking them both sides.

I do seventy in the middle lane because the outside lane is the home of the loons in semi house trained Audi’s ans BMW’s.


Just as likely to be a van in the outside lane these days - or someone tootling along in a compact car. Anyone who doesn't want to sit in a tailback created by a Middle Laner Hogger.

When we’re talking about the outside lane, that is supposed to be the overtaking lane, not a permanent residence for the macho boys of all ages, if some arse is trundling along in their Picasso at 50 in the middle lane fair enough, but they are the exception .
I only ever use the outside lane on a three way motorway for overtaking.
On a dual carriageway I use the near side lane as most traffic is now moving a lot faster busy going nowhere…but safer than some single carriageway roads with Mad Max lorry drivers.

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Snowy wrote:
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Naw, these middle laners are happy at 50 oblivious to traffic overtaking them both sides.

I do seventy in the middle lane because the outside lane is the home of the loons in semi house trained Audi’s ans BMW’s.


I had an Audi before I upgraded to a Montego.
Both did thousands of miles supporting Pools away games.
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Of course I'm a Loony all part of the ciriculam to post on the Bunker.
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Next time I'm stuck behind a middle lane hogger I'll be thinking "wonder if that's so and so from the bunker".

well if you are coming up the M1 or the A19 on a saturday morning you,ll have to be doing well over 80mph to overtake me. more on the way back if pools have lost again.


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think the most flustration for car drivers happens on a two lane duel carriageways with one wagon overtaking another by being about 1 mph quicker downhill but as fast on an uphill section. the A14 from the M1 to the A1 in the midlands is riddled with this and once i was stuck behind a couple of these for 10 minutes on a quiet saturday morning about 6am. doubt thats a record either.


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Is there a case for mandatory motorway driving lessons and test given the differing stances on here? Also should refresher assessments be introduced possibly with them being more frequent as we get older?


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Is there a case for mandatory motorway driving lessons and test given the differing stances on here? Also should refresher assessments be introduced possibly with them being more frequent as we get older?

i,d go even further and demand health checks for all motorists like HGV and PCV drivers have to go though. plus regular testing of all drivers over 65 on a 2 or 3 year basis. if you want your licence you,d pay the fees and might rid the roads of some who should not be driving in modern conditions. some, not all youngsters, are also involved in more accidents but feel others may have caused their actions in the first place for the problems they have got themselves in to they haven,t the experiance to get out of.


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accrington fan wrote:
PTID wrote:
Is there a case for mandatory motorway driving lessons and test given the differing stances on here? Also should refresher assessments be introduced possibly with them being more frequent as we get older?

i,d go even further and demand health checks for all motorists like HGV and PCV drivers have to go though. plus regular testing of all drivers over 65 on a 2 or 3 year basis. if you want your licence you,d pay the fees and might rid the roads of some who should not be driving in modern conditions. some, not all youngsters, are also involved in more accidents but feel others may have caused their actions in the first place for the problems they have got themselves in to they haven,t the experiance to get out of.


All drivers over 65, that could be most of the Bunkerites ?


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Wouldn’t worry about, if Labours going to bring forward net zero to 2030, most of us won’t be able to afford a car because the zealots will be wanting petrol and diesel off the roads…..regs will be tightened, charges brought in, tightening up MOT’s by hook or by crook they’ll get there way.
We seem to be going backwards as regards the freedom to travel…unless you have money or influence.

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Smokin Joe wrote:
I’m with Snowy on this one, I can’t get at all excited about drivers ‘overstaying their welcome’ in the middle lane. What does make my blood boil are the wankers who believe that it’s OK to drive down Easington Road past the hospital, pelican crossing etc at 80mph and more - or the equally brainless tossers that belt through 20mph school zones at 40-60mph. Surely how the police should deal with these increasingly common offenders deserves a little ‘discussion and debate’ on this forum?

think there is a bit of adding a bit on drivers speeds going on there especially in the 20 limit near schools. thing is these limits are not all near schools anyway and going over that limit on weekends and non school days isn,t going to put loads of kids lives in danger. possibly if everyone remembered what they were taught when starting to drive we would not need speed limits or cameras even if the latter were for safety reasons only.


Apologies for not having a speed radar camera installed in my car in order that I can prove the above. However if I’m doing the regulation 40mph and some numpty overtakes me and the cars in front in a couple of seconds then he must be doing at least 70mph in my estimation. Fast enough to maim or kill an innocent pedestrian on the pelican if the little green man appears in front of him/her, especially the aged or infirm who may struggle to cross what is a wider carriageway than most in the town.

As for questioning my estimation of the speed of arseholes who do 40-60 mph in school 20mph zones, I have witnessed this on several occasions - and the sad fact is that several of the offenders are actually regularly late arriving parents who are risking other children’s simply to ensure that their kids are not left holding teachers hands for a few precious minutes.

I admit that like most drivers I occasionally break the speed limit by a few mph but I’m talking about serious offences which will at some point result in death and/or serious injury to innocents. It is only a matter of time.


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 Post subject: Re: Middle Lane Hoggers
PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:59 pm 
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I’m with Snowy on this one, I can’t get at all excited about drivers ‘overstaying their welcome’ in the middle lane. What does make my blood boil are the wankers who believe that it’s OK to drive down Easington Road past the hospital, pelican crossing etc at 80mph and more - or the equally brainless tossers that belt through 20mph school zones at 40-60mph. Surely how the police should deal with these increasingly common offenders deserves a little ‘discussion and debate’ on this forum?

think there is a bit of adding a bit on drivers speeds going on there especially in the 20 limit near schools. thing is these limits are not all near schools anyway and going over that limit on weekends and non school days isn,t going to put loads of kids lives in danger. possibly if everyone remembered what they were taught when starting to drive we would not need speed limits or cameras even if the latter were for safety reasons only.


Apologies for not having a speed radar camera installed in my car in order that I can prove the above. However if I’m doing the regulation 40mph and some numpty overtakes me and the cars in front in a couple of seconds then he must be doing at least 70mph in my estimation. Fast enough to maim or kill an innocent pedestrian on the pelican if the little green man appears in front of him/her, especially the aged or infirm who may struggle to cross what is a wider carriageway than most in the town.

As for questioning my estimation of the speed of arseholes who do 40-60 mph in school 20mph zones, I have witnessed this on several occasions - and the sad fact is that several of the offenders are actually regularly late arriving parents who are risking other children’s simply to ensure that their kids are not left holding teachers hands for a few precious minutes.

I admit that like most drivers I occasionally break the speed limit by a few mph but I’m talking about serious offences which will at some point result in death and/or serious injury to innocents. It is only a matter of time.

I had that experience this morning followed by a white Merc so close I couldn’t see the number plates that appeared from nowhere..two women talking and looking at each other as they did….what’s really getting bad is the drivers who abuse zebra crossings…you stop to let someone over and some arrogant twat from the opposite direction just drives through oblivious.

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 Post subject: Re: Middle Lane Hoggers
PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2024 9:36 am 
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Smokin Joe wrote:
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Apologies for not having a speed radar camera installed in my car in order that I can prove the above. However if I’m doing the regulation 40mph and some numpty overtakes me and the cars in front in a couple of seconds then he must be doing at least 70mph in my estimation. Fast enough to maim or kill an innocent pedestrian on the pelican if the little green man appears in front of him/her, especially the aged or infirm who may struggle to cross what is a wider carriageway than most in the town.

As for questioning my estimation of the speed of arseholes who do 40-60 mph in school 20mph zones, I have witnessed this on several occasions - and the sad fact is that several of the offenders are actually regularly late arriving parents who are risking other children’s simply to ensure that their kids are not left holding teachers hands for a few precious minutes.

I admit that like most drivers I occasionally break the speed limit by a few mph but I’m talking about serious offences which will at some point result in death and/or serious injury to innocents. It is only a matter of time.

you mention on several occasions. thing is you remember these occasions but never journeys that pass with no incident whatsoever which i guess will be the majority of them. saying that i,ll admit that the traffic moves quicker around the town than it does round my way. as for the danger to peestrians i feel the highway code changes have not helped where you get the impression of more jay walkers who do there upmost to slow and stop cars after finding out they have the priority and people with kids not learning them to use the crossings if it saves their legs a few yards by ignoring them.


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 Post subject: Re: Middle Lane Hoggers
PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2024 9:41 am 
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I had that experience this morning followed by a white Merc so close I couldn’t see the number plates that appeared from nowhere..two women talking and looking at each other as they did….what’s really getting bad is the drivers who abuse zebra crossings…you stop to let someone over and some arrogant twat from the opposite direction just drives through oblivious.

by all accounts driving too close is a british disease if you hear from some who have driven in other countries. its just a different problem than the ones faced on continental countries roads.


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