On the news this morning …… he is going ‘to consider’ processing asylum claims in a third country…..seriously?

Even the guardian have wrote about all the changes of mind starmer has had recently. Shouldnt promise things then change your mind when your basically going to be in power in a few month.

Because when put on the spot about too many immigrants his only answer was to agree there's too many coming in but couldn't say what he'd do about it. No plan at all, but saying he'll consider the Tory plan is no plan without any commitment for action.
Going to see a lot of this middle of the road stuff from him over the next 5 or 6 weeks.
Shows what a shocking state we're in with a proven inept unelected PM and a proven indecisive, backward thinking PM in waiting.

The word hypocrisy comes to mind after mocking the idea for years.

We’re gonna replace Tick with Tock. Simple as that.

Scotland?

Rockall, perfect.

Shocking state now, Lets no forget Boris.
Now that was a real piss take.

changing your mind should not become a crime after careful consideration you realise you were wrong in the first place. know i wished i,d have changed my mind and actions in the past for the better. seems now it should be a reason to beat a person with a stick and u turns are not allowed. surely its better than carrying on defending a position that you know is wrong or flawed.

Agreed. But…..you can change your mind, you have to concede your error in the first place, not pretend nothings happened.
I like a person who can say they made a mistake, politicians don’t.

Starmer isn't on about processing claims overseas in the way Rishi talks about his flights to Rwanda though - which he did try to explain in the 15 seconds he was given. Labour have talked about this for six months as well, although that generally isn't discussed in the Daily Mail.
Can you believe Sunak is actually now intimating that his plan is to take all the people landing here illegally and fly them to Africa. It started as a deterrent but during the debate last night he said his plan was to literally fly them out... I'm trying to process this... his plan is to fly on average 150 people to Rwanda every day?!
Utter nonsense.

they,d need a large converted ocean liner to go to a country with a coastline full on a regular basis to put a dent in the numbers of them.

Sunak’s toast. What he says or doesn't say is utterly irrelevant, he can promise the Earth because he won’t have to produce it.
Starmer will be the next PM …the guns will be getting trained in his direction, the press and media are just testing the range, then the fun will begin.
Who reads the Daily Mail

Its slighly strange though before a general election having a change of opinion on everything all of a sudden after beating the other party with a stick over it for years. It makes me think is this guy going to stick to anything he has said in the past.

Well you've got a point about the press, as Labour have always been judged by different standards. Every announcement or policy seems to be studied more intently compared to the Tories and whichever mob Farage is aligned to on any particular week. Debate was allowed on points of Labour policy last night, which is fair enough other than there rarely seemed time to push Sunak on his ideas.
The press in this country has been much more right leaning for sometime, including the traditional press and more latterly the likes of GB News (which is only a news channel when it suits them.) The Guardian scrutinises Labour policy as much as many other right leaning papers. Labour are also the party under the cosh about Gaza, giving the governing party a relatively free pass.
Given all of that, it's understandable why Starmer tacked to the centre ground in an effort to get elected. I'd much rather him, who at least shows some empathy and is more analytical, in charge of trying to drag the country out of the doldrums. The Tories broke just about everything in this country and the fringes are full of nut jobs out for themselves.

Better get a wiggle on if you fancy moving abroad, Nige is going to stop ya.

Thought in his glasses he looked like an adult Harry Potter and at times like a rabbit trapped in a cars head lights. Let no one forget when in charge of the CPS he failed to prosecute th worst sexual predator ever in Jimmy Saville . While I think changes are needed I do not think he is a suitable person to be prime minister. It is very easy to be a socialist when you are a wealthy man yourself.

The Guardian and the Mirror are blatantly Labour, who cares…why the defensive mode…… building the sand bags up already…?
I’m dying to see how Starmer copes with the media when he gets in, who needs soap opera’s when you can have the real thing.

Yep he appeared to me like he'd just been caught with his hand in the till.

Ha, nothing defensive here my friend. Was hoping to contribute a slightly different take to a discussion.
Mirror is certainly blatantly labour bur point about Guardian was that even a left leaning paper subjects Labour to scrutiny. I think this is a good thing and wouldn’t it be equally good if the Mail, Express, Telegraph, Times, GB news, Talk TV, The Spectator and Sun reciprocated with scrutiny of their party. It doesn’t happen though and you can make your own mind up why that doesn’t happen.

Do you actually believe newspapers influence anything…I don’t.
Use your own comprehension of events…the media and the press are like dieticians where 50% will condemn what the other 59% embrace and venerate.
Newspapers are there comfort those who vote repeatedly for the same Party year after tedious year, it avoids thinking and analysis…’ Me dad voted blah, me Granda voted blah and I vote blah’…it easier to vote without bothering to question yourself.

Do you ever read anything, watch tv, listen to the radio, speak to others? If you have you will have been influenced. If you’ve lived in a vacuum and come up with your world view without external influence you’re unique or possibly a fibber.

I didn’t actually answer your question, apologies. Do papers influence anything? If I could broaden that to media, then yes, of course it does.

Try reading what I wrote, not what you think I wrote.
Point out one ‘fib’

Newaspaers all have a bias, you realise that and make allowances.
The media is different in as much as you can get various opinions around the world thanks to all those lovely channels I pay for…but I still have to analyse those views too. It involves thinking things through and being a floating voter without allegiance’s to any Party.

Newspapers all have bias but somehow the bias of ‘the media’ is more balanced because it’s global? You do realise other countries have newspapers?
With respect, you seem to be making a quite ridiculous argument sir (and also being a bit defensive.)

I quoted you as being defensive earlier, do keep up, you’re going around in circles because you’ve found it difficult to justify or give credence to your scattergun theory.
I’d say nice try…but it wasn’t.

It was a deliberate tongue in cheek reference to your earlier defensive comment… I am very much keeping up!
And there is a serious point about media influence, both here and around the world... As someone who tests global warming using your finger, I’ve perhaps picked the wrong person to reply to! (Again, for clarity, I’m pulling your leg not having a go!)
Anyway, we’re ultimately two people having a slightly awkward conversation on a niche football forum, making absolutely no difference whatsoever, so I’ll just wish a fellow Poolie all the very best and be done. Cheers!

Have a walk around Bellevue it’s like Africa who the fck are these boat people? The town is dangerous enough without importing the third world.

No conversation is ever awkward….but I return your compliment….it's more than just a niche football forum though.

The town is not ‘dangerous’, admittedly there are a number of home grown Neanderthals whose presence we’d rather be without….. but it’s the same everywhere…I blame the Governments and parents who I wouldn’t let keep a pet rat never mind kids.

They are in most parts of the town.
West View riddled with them.

Weathers warming up so anutha shit load getting washed up on Dover Beach.

REFORM will piss the GE in 28/29.
,Farage is King.

unfortunetly in todays world he,s going to get the stick due to this being his weakpoint where he looks uncomfortable. its like knocking a pools manager because of bad interviews when things are going quite well on the pitch but there is room for improvement. question i always ask is why people are so quick to believe everything people spout as well as everything in the media without doing abit of research or use there heads more than their hearts.

said it before you are only slowly catching up with those living in the north west and west yorkshire. people need to get off the fence like you on the subject and be either pro or anti mass immegration. you,d be surprised to find many other immegrants who have been here for generations feel the same way due to all the boxes they had to tick to get here but could end up being included amongst the new arrivals. its not a subject just for white middle aged and old gits.

Well there's the issue of modern politics and social media rolled into one soundbite... you have to be for or against. What happened to nuance?

Most world leaders have their head in the sand about immigration, as it's a global problem exacerbated by inequality and a world which is hotting up. A relatively few people rocking up in Hartlepool, Yorkshire or wherever is nothing like the millions and millions that will continue to move from Africa and Asia over the coming decades. Without real efforts to address global inequality and providing cheap energy, there is a real problem coming Europe's way.
At the moment though, this talk of asylum seekers clogging up the NHS misses the point that you're much more likely to be treat by an immigrant than be behind one in a queue, which is due to a total lack of strategy and planning, notably made much worst by 14 years of the tories looking after themselves.

Be honest now, the decline in the NHS has been going on for way more than 14 years. And no party has an answer or the balls to really get to grips with it and even slow the decline let alone reverse it.

there is a vast difference between controlled immegation to whats close to being an open door policy. those pro immigtation always bring up the NHS on how reliant we are on it. out of the boats arriving i suppose they are filled with doctors, nurses, dentists and the rest of the so called shortages we have in other areas of the country. every extra body is not clogging up the NHS. even as a kid i cannot remember the NHS being a total white british organisation and doubt anyone is bothered if it was or was not. its not the emergine new worlds of north america and australia we are talking about but a full old world of europe. there has never been equality and there never will be but the answer is not making the better off worse to redress the balence.

if its money thats needed a party would struggle to get into power if they promised to sort it out but we had to pay more income tax to do this. as a nation we want it free but not pay for it in other ways.

Don't think it's just money it's just so badly set up and managed with totally insane priorities and policies.
I'm of the opinion if any party actually made a stab at sorting it so it better serves us then extra tax wouldn't be an issue for most. It's the higher taxes and reduced service that galls for most. Wasn't the issue of Social Care supposed to be addressed at least in part by the increase in NI?

Remember a lecturer in college in 1973 telling us ever so earnestly and with some conviction the planet had 10 years left……he never mentioned repentance or salvation, just a nice round 10 years….. we must have had old heads on our shoulders at the age of 20…we all just laughed, cynicism was rampant but well founded in the end.

Completely agree, the NHS is so badly managed and needs reform more than just money, from prevention, community health, through to social care. Wes Streeting has talked about this and predictably came under fire. The NHS is amazing but not good at self-diagnosis.

Anyone suggestion the world has ten years left can generously only be called extreme! The plant has millions of years left. Civilisation though… without serious intervention, what do we reckon… hundreds of years? I’m not that pessimistic though because science has a way of helping us out. Energy is our biggest challenge I think but cheap renewable global energy will allow people to survive comfortably, helping to stem a tide of migration. We’re not a million miles off having solutions, although the rise of autocrats isn’t helping.

the answer is not making the better off worse to redress the balence.[/quote]

You say that but… the combined wealth of all the billionaires in the world is around £13.5 trillion. Say you taxed them an extra 1%, those people would still be billionaires, so not exactly on their uppers. It’s estimated that amount could take around 700 million people out of extreme poverty. These are the people most likely to migrate. And imagine taxing the billionaires 2%!
Point is, it’s another example of why global solutions are needed. Popularists like Farage (and equivalents in many other countries) are totally lacking in the vision needed to actually solve problems. IMHO of course!

Yes small increases in tax for the very wealthy generates very large sums.

The only thing that keeps the Human Race and the Planet safe is the Atmosphere and just as importantly our Magnetic field.

Exactly.

Nuclear power vilified by those on the left of the voting spectrum is now embraced by them, funny old world.
Incidentally, the lecturer I quoted was asked by one of the group why he was hanging around the college if he truly believed the world was really going to end …last I heard he retired in 1996.

You say that but… the combined wealth of all the billionaires in the world is around £13.5 trillion. Say you taxed them an extra 1%, those people would still be billionaires, so not exactly on their uppers. It’s estimated that amount could take around 700 million people out of extreme poverty. These are the people most likely to migrate. And imagine taxing the billionaires 2%!
Point is, it’s another example of why global solutions are needed. Popularists like Farage (and equivalents in many other countries) are totally lacking in the vision needed to actually solve problems. IMHO of course![/quote]
isn,t there a percentage somewhere that shows how low the percentage is of individuals owning the high percentage of the worlds total wealth. think its a very low figure against a very high wealth.

The wealthiest are never going to give any of their wealth away, you have wealth you have power.

but many of them love to tell us how to run our lives and give away money to charity which is akin to up putting a penny into a collection box. so many ordinary people are taken in by them and there so called good works some do but there is always and has always been something in it for them first if only virtue signalling.