Their plan will now to be to get back into any league, but it won’t be this one.
From the Walton’s of football to be cast into the wilderness.

Just want to ask.
How do you know all this about little old Alty Mr Krampesh?
"We 100% have a bigger budget."
"Most of the money spent goes on the stadium"
Sorry but how the hell would you know that.
Please tell...or is this just more B/S from you?

what will we all do though if the retained list comes out today and KP does all his recruitment by mid may and tells us thats it. that would give us nearly 3 months of nothing to discuss especially if everyone is on the same page with all his decisions. do not think anyone has that sort of patience before they get a bit of poolie fix.

It's obvious no? To challenge again at the top of the league and try to get promoted. The lease was offered just after the EFL deadline so they'll be able to get promoted next season?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... 0promotion.

Look tell us all how you know so much about little Alty Mr Krampesh.
We are all waiting here with baited breath.
For gods sake dont say you ASSUMED all the money was spent on the stadium and community work.
And you just ASSUMED that we 100% have a bigger budget than them.
Please...NO...MORE....B/S

They run the club sustainably, there are plenty of links on google if you want to look into it. They have a long term plan for developing the stadium, the club and womens and youth teams that all come within this remit. Why would a sustainable club splash a large amount of money from investment onto their first team when they could use it to develop their stadium to improve commercial opportunities? You will notice from the statement on the £1.5m investment that the stadium is mentioned specifically...
The budget is obvious also. We have a bigger squad than them (33 v 30) and you can easily compare names and look at where their recruitment is from. I don't know why you're trying to fight back on Hartlepool having a bigger budget? I thought you'd be saying how great our glorious leader is for allowing us to outspend such giants as Altrincham?
Maybe look in the mirror if you want to search for BS. I can bring up the thread where you said club options in contracts where illegal? Or we can just search through some of your many expletive littered posts on this username as well as Poolie1.

And don't forget Kingkenellis and Corvus....2 off the top of my head with their/his stupid YouTube links that nobody clicks on.

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They run the club sustainably, there are plenty of links on google if you want to look into it. They have a long term plan for developing the stadium, the club and womens and youth teams that all come within this remit. Why would a sustainable club splash a large amount of money from investment onto their first team when they could use it to develop their stadium to improve commercial opportunities? You will notice from the statement on the £1.5m investment that the stadium is mentioned specifically...
The budget is obvious also. We have a bigger squad than them (33 v 30) and you can easily compare names and look at where their recruitment is from. I don't know why you're trying to fight back on Hartlepool having a bigger budget? I thought you'd be saying how great our glorious leader is for allowing us to outspend such giants as Altrincham?
if you have X amount of money to spend its pointless just throwing it at ground developments as no one will turn up to use them without a decent team to watch. then you cannot spend it all on players who need bribing to play at some shit hole twenty odd times a season and under par training facilities. its getting the right balance between the two over a longer period that might be the better option.

Correct but their plans are more about creating spaces for retail use around the stadium which will bring a constant source of income into the club, less about increasing the capacity for paying fans on match day.

Illegal??
Check the dictionary on the meaning of the word.
It normally references criminal law.
But please please do check my history although that's not what I said at all in relation to options contracts.
And you well know it.
So crack on with that Mr Krampesh.
As to your earlier comments on Alty.....
Basically what you spouted off earlier is all made up is it not?
You "100 PER CENT" know you said that Altys playing budget is smaller than ours.
Is that right Mr Krampesh?
If you do tell us what the respective numbers were.
Good lad.
Now you also don't know that Altys financial resources from the US/UK investors are actually just being spent on the "stadium facilities and work in the community."
You don't do you?
You ASSUME they are... what all because the pictures on google tell you that and the club coughs up something about sustainability?
Embarrassing is the word Mr Krampesh.
Just embarrassing.
Again all I can suggest to you is please just stop making things up.
Otherwise people will say you are talking B/S again.
And we wouldn't want you to get too upset now ...would we?

I mean it was, you go dig it up to prove me wrong.
Do you believe that everyone who finished above us has a bigger budget unless stated otherwise? What about those below us, a smaller budget? Because without knowing facts and figures I can tell you York have a bigger budget than us. You equally don't know Altrincham have a bigger budget than us as you don't know what you are demanding from me.
I said most of, you're twisting words, I assume it because that's what press statements say, what fans I know have said, and what comes from their owner's and CEOs. You assume it based on a few articles and nothing else.
This is an internet forum, nothing upsets me on here.

in the final league placings in every league i seriously doubt that will be the lists of club budgets from top to bottom. fans seem to be more obsessed by its size than how its been used. this isn,t just us by a long way.

No Accy it's also the girls

I agree that attendance isn’t the sole driver but it’s a good guide
You will always get teams funded beyond that eg forest green

To me 2 main things an owner can bring to the table
Funding to over achieve and competence in the running of the club

The good news from this thread is that snowy twaddle billingham and I all seem inagreement that our chairman isn’t bringing the additional funding to over achieve as evidenced by twaddles listing of clubs like Altrincham who are apparently able to outspend us
So if he’s not brining that we are left with competence around decision making etc…
Will let cook draw their own conclusions on that one…

Well I’m in agreement with you on this
In reality …… I don’t care about owners .
I don’t care about managers.
I don’t care about players.

I really do care about the continued existence of Hartlepool Utd.

If any of the above can contribute to the future existence of the club, all well and good, but at the end of the day, the club is the be all and end all.
No ifs, no buts.

Again that is somewhat basic---using your logic we could get relegated every year and we would still exist so that is fine.

Maybe IOR spoilt us, but tbh I am not expecting miracles--all I want is a league club that tries to push to get into league 1---we wont necessarily get there, but we have to at least try--and given no fairy godmother funding wise--and our current chairman flat out rejecting an offer--I am expecting him to do his part. Mainly through competent decision making which hasn't happened for 2+ years

Cambridge, morecambe, Accrington, Cheltenham, Barrow, Burton- Are hardly super clubs on funding steroids and they have all shown whats possible--that should be the realistic goal we aim for, and just like those clubs there will be ups and downs--I just feel our ups and downs are at least 1 level below where they should be and find it frustrating the attitude seems to be this is something we just accept, see as the new normal

Every year it gets a little bit worse (I think for example this is the first year I have been supporting Pools we havent made even the first round of the cup ffs!)

We have irrational decision making--give Askey a 3 year deal then sack him !-and no transparency of a plan, then a fans rep appointed by the chairman.
I dont think Singh is a bad guy and am 100% sure he is out of pocket from when he bought us, but he seems to have ran out of ideas and doesnt even seem to be enjoying it so not sure what he wants out of it --if its his money back good luck!
He actually deserves a lot of praise for appointing Challinor and backing him (we brough a lot of players in short term for playoff push the year we went up)--but similarly he deserves a lot of criticism for his decision making since.

3 main factors drive success

FUnding, Competency and Luck----we had all 3 the year we got out of this league in varying degrees

This year it seems we had none of the last 2 and not enough of the 1st to make up for it.

The only one we can truly control moving fwd is competency--and I am not seeing it thus far--hopefully things change!

We can't control anything, we get what we're served up and we take it because we don't have any other option.

You don't know the level of funding so how do you know there's not been enough?

Competency, do you know enough details about running any business let alone a football club to be the self appointed competence assessor?

Luck, you're right there we've had very little from injuries to a spell when every bouncing ball in our area went in but in the oppositions box stayed out.

Hopefully next season will be a damm sight better than this one.

Of course it’s basic because that’s really what it’s all about at the end of the day.
I could have bulked it out, but what’s the point?
The secret is getting the right manager, the rest is neither here nor there.
The owner provides the finance then backs off in my world…if you’re employing a manager let them manage.
As for players, just do what your told to do to the best of your ability, you’re not paid to think. Leave that to the manager.
Simple formula.

Your not Loyal Loyal only puts little messages on here And they are nearly always " Phillips Out " messages.

Key part of competency is recruitment,,,,
Lee Sacked after 3 months
Hartley Sacked after 3 months
Curle Sacked after 3 months
Askey Sacked after 7 months

All in last couple of years--seems like consistent mistakes, so yes I can look at that and question the decision making---that's before we talk about the likes of Hobin !
In addition I recall we finished last on some survey of fan engagement--not definitive but a worrying sign--add to that constat spats with various supports groups (and again in fairness that's not all one persons fault) and then the coronation of a fans spokesman on the board---suggest poor decision making
I could go on, I recall we also lost an employment tribunal with a member of staff...

Could I do any better?--Likely not but that's neither here nor there--I couldn't play football better than Hastie doesn't mean I cant have an opinion on how good he has been.
Funding I am going on what the club defenders are saying on here--ie we cant compete with Barnet, Altrincham and Solihull etc so that would suggest we aren't getting a major funding boost--if you disagree have a word with your mate twaddle who has been spouting all over this thread we cant compete.

For me the tipping point was teh consortium---Singh turned it down flat as didnt think they had a plan/could do any better than him.....ok lets see how we go then...

Or you could say sacking poor performers in any business is completely competent. Hiring a football manager is a complete lottery at any club and at any level - even "The Special One" has been poor at some clubs.

Raj can appoint anyone he likes to the board and give them any title he likes it's his club.

Funding is an absolute unknown to everyone e of us on here so can we just stop claiming our budget is shite as fact. Or someone post verified accounts to back up their claims.

The Consortium we know very little about the reasons their offer was turned down, to claim it was turned down flat is based on your own perception not facts. Raj stated they didn't have a detailed business plan which was a prerequisite so actually they couldn't buy the club until they produced one. Besides which we know very little about the Consortium or there ability to take us forward or there financial clout - maybe we dodged a bullet.

And as I'm guessing that you'll claim I'm Raj's long list son or 1st Disciple I'll reiterate what I've said numerous times in the past I've nothing to do with him, never have, doubt I ever will. I don't like him or dislike him as I don't know the chap. I thank him for stepping in when he did, and for getting us back into efl. I'm critical of some of his appointments but I do believe in layers of responsibility within a business and that if you employ a manager then that manager takes full responsibility for results.

My trouble with the ‘consortium’ thing is quite simple, everyone who buys a football club gets treated as saviours…at first…..and can’t think of any prospective owners not going public with an offer and appealing to their possible new fans by letting us know who they are.
I would like to know who this consortium were.

Sloppy...
Can you not even get this basic factual stuff right?
LEE 1 December 2021 to 5 May 2022 Sacked after 5 months
HARTLEY 3 June 2022 to 18 September 2022 Sacked after 3 months
CURLE 18 September 2022 to 22 February 2023 Sacked after 5 months
ASKEY 23 February 2023 to 30 December 2023 Sacked after 10 months

Check out Bobo....hes very helpful like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLmCr8xqfn8

I dont think I have ever suggested that about you or said anything personal?

We can disagree that hiring 4 managers in a year or two is just bad luck or bad judgment, I think the latter--and I agree Raj pretty much CAN do what he likes, appoint who he likes, turn down who he likes.....but if we thikn his logic doesnt make sense I think its reasonable to criticise.

If 5 months vs 3 months is the hill you want to die on in terms of what is competent and what isnt then good luck to you twaddle.
Would be interested in how YOU define what success looks like next season? (maybe interested is stretching it) but would be helpful if you had a position to defenc

Mr Singhs logic doesn't make sense.
Does it not Mr Loyal T.V fan?
Logic??
What appointing managers who have some history of success ...then sacking them when it all goes tits up.
That's illogical is it Captain.
I'll tell you what's illogical.
Whining on about a multitude of players you think are not up to the mark when all you have seen is bloody T.V footage of them.
And banging on your keyboard on here with your pathetic puerile commentary about what you think is going wrong every bloody game.
But then again according to you you are allowed to criticise anyone aren't you from your armchair, while you guzzle on a bottle, even though you probably played skips with the girls in the playground at school rather than footie with the lads.
That's right aint it?
When was the last time you actually went to see a game mate?
Be honest.
What's also illogical is whining over a bun man keeper called Killip, claiming he should never have gone, when he was probably one of the worst we have ever had.
And questioning why Askey was sacked when it was clear to even the most idiotic among us that if he had stayed we would have been going down.
Thats illogical too.
And the best of it whining on about Phillips describing him as "rubbish" after half a dozen games, and actually calling for him to be replaced by a manager "proven at this level"
You haven't a clue mate that's the top and bottom of it.
Sorry for being illogical but that's my opinion.
No correction I ain't sorry one bit.
Fans like you deserve every bit of criticism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhDJxEPRDek

Yes for me having had 5 managers in the last 2 seasons points to poor decision making--if you disagree twaddle then good luck to you.

What constitutes success next year for you?--for me its being in the playoffs---maybe given how intimidated you are by the might of other teams in this league you'll be putting the bunting out if we avoid the drop--all about opinons as I think you were saying in between the rest of the incontinent word salad you shat out on your prior post

See thisthreads title is “ retained list “

This is totally my own thoughts with no info what so ever.

I believe some are going to be bitterly disappointed, I think more players are going to be kept on than what people think (possibly on reduced terms)

I agree -- time will tell but am not optimitsic.

You're right of course - the consortium would have had nothing to lose and everything to gain by doing that, once Raj closed the door on further negotiations. It's hard to believe there's another version of events when the silence is so deafening.

Weird. You find THAT more troubling than the current sh** show?

Rumours are some are going to be crying into their milk after bigging the new manager up.

Shit show it may well be, but still odd behaviour from prospective owners, nothing to do with anything else.

And rumours are going around that some may have got a permanent erection…. In the bar of the ‘Told You So Arms’.

If fans cant see whats going on by now they never will. Wheres twaddel tonight? Be interesting to see how he spins this one.

Aye, where is he….

Edit.... Phillips--4 months.....over to you Mr Logic !

Well you may have got your wish, you wanted him gone weeks ago. So good move Raj or more incompetence, if true?

Given they tried to keep him but cant agree a contract--I would hardly call that a shrewd and decisive move would you?

Still in the boardroom under Sings table.

If fans cant see whats going on by now they never will. Wheres twaddel tonight? Be interesting to see how he spins this one.[/quote]

Still in the boardroom under Sings table. [/quote]

Getting gagged by Raj

Still in the boardroom under Sings table. [/quote]


Getting gagged by Raj [/quote]



I don't get pissed off anymore.
It's more humerus how much of a joke our club has become.
Depths of depravity on a regular basis now.

Might as well go for a mile walk along the Heugh.

We’re Hartlepool United and we’re focking proud of it!

What happens with the retained list now? A new manager won’t know who is good or crap. Plus it usually takes Raj a month to employ someone. Would we sign anyone without a manager? Will we end up missing out on players? It’s an absolute nightmare! KP knew what was needed and had a plan.

Rumor is Sweeney had enough and left as well…

All part of the Twaddle master plan

We’ve got a fan rep now - he’s got to be saying something tomorrow. Obviously not his fault, am not saying that but he’s on the board. What’s been said? Who’s involved with this decision? Is he going to step up and say what the fans are thinking? Basically, yet again, it a shambles of a closed season and sorry, this comes from the top.

The ‘fan rep’ was appointed by Singh ffs, he’ll just be towing the party line no doubt

100,000 % Loyal