Yep you're right. I would much prefer to be celebrating with fellow poolies then arguing with them. I will be as pleased as anyone of that can happen next season. 'Put aside what you can't change' is good advice. One day that might change but it is relevant for now. If the Raj worshippers can keep quiet then I'm not going to be the one to spoil the peace.

when the last time poolies celebrated everything together the name raj singh hardly got a mention. make of that what you will.

The DC factor hid everything. But yeah, if Raj changes drastically and starts doing things really well, I wont care if his name is above the door forever.

Excellent Reply. We all want to the club to carry on so we will have to support the manager and hope, with a lot of contacts ending, he finds the players who want to sign for the club and will give maximum effort.

Boycotting games and not buying season tickets is not the answer.

Whatever happen to the trust with their £16m man . not a peep

Theres not going to be if Raj says no and..
.. he did. A great shame.

I think season tickets will be down anyway. There are enough folks fed up with false promises. They'll come back and pay on the gate if there is something worth coming back for.

I don't think Raj said no to £16m as I don't think it was there

Just out of interest who exactly are these Raj worshippers?

That wasnt the offer for the club (in Rajs dreams). You believe what you wish. I think it has more credibility than ANYTHING Raj says.

Everyone's great at identifying problems . When I was at work I always said if you had a problem bring a solution.

I never said the offer was £16m .

It does seem rather strange that this consortium with bags of money to bring to the club have gone so quiet after a knock back. Would've thought they'd have come back with an improved offer and if the deal breaker was the (Raj) claimed business plan them they would've knocked one up sharpish.

Totally agree

Maybe they're just not thick and won't pay an inflated price. Or perhaps Raj's terms were unrealistic. There is much doubt around that he even wanted to sell. I don't think you get wealthy enough to be able to buy football clubs by agreeing to ridiculous terms. Just a guess.

The debt to sage etc was nothing to do with raj , was it ?

He got a heroes reception at Bristol, so not strictly true.

Nope there is more. Whether its an accounting mechanism but the piper has to be paid. It's gotta devalue the club somewhat.

I'm sure it was mentioned a while back that Raj pays himself a good wage a bit like a CEO of a company.
Dunno whether it's plausible like.
I'm sure not every chairman is in it to lose cash like some believe that is the right thing to do.

Not supporters crikey? If everyone keeps ploughing money in season ticket wise the same man will keep taking chunks back. You will still get to watch the same garbage next year. If nothing is done we will keep heading in one direction. If he was hit in the pocket he might think twice about not selling and actually this time sell the club. He wont get another penny from me until i see some action and proper action. He still has the opportunity to turn my opinion round and many others, sign some bloody quality for once.

I'd like to think we almost debt free now given the size of the crowds and the absolute clip of the team these last 2 seasons.

Spot on as usual Billy but your comments somehow offend the crank zero ambitioners.
Strange place at times the Bunker

I cant believe some still think this pre season will be any different, the same old issues are already cropping up and its not even May.

As nobody seems to be able to disclose what the price Raj wants is we don't know what is inflated or not. Nor do we know the price the consortium were/are prepared to pay so consequently we don't know if there was a gap and the size of that gap. Speculating to prove a point is not helpful.
Only he knows whether he wants to sell or not, so speculating on that isn't helpful either.
So a good start to the process would be to stop speculating, especially to back up an argument with ifs, buts and maybes. Then we might get on the path to get somewhere.
Resorting to guesswork is tantamount to clutching at straws.
If we just stick to the facts that also will smooth the path.
Up to now I have shown great restraint by allowing everybody and anybody just about to say what and when they each like. Even the wildest of speculation and accusation has been tolerated, with only comments that might bring litigation have been removed, and only then as a precaution. The reason I have taken that route is because, as a Poolie myself, I know the passion for the club that we all have and the subsequent anger and frustration when things are not as we think they should be.
However I think we have done the thing to death now and should be looking at other avenues to achieve what we all want which is an owner we can trust and get behind, whether that is Raj or somebody else.
Us lot scoring points off each other isn't going to change the situation one little bit. In fact the division amongst the fans is hindering prospective change rather than encouraging it.

If it hadn’t been for the old re election system where would Pools be now, fortunately Harold Hornsey stepped in then IOR.

Who knows Jamie but some clubs who were elected out have managed to return as have some who have since been relegated. Others of course haven't been so lucky. Which category we put Pools in is a good question. Hopefully it is the spring back category. At least nowadays there is a road back which is in our hands, whereas waiting to be elected back was in the hands of others.

Times have changed now we had 800 to 1500 crowds back then at times, were just as bad now and get 4500 so the club should]be in a healthier position than ever before to push on

You can also scrape into 7th and still get promoted.

Yes it is easier to get back now due to the new set up which is the point I was making. Did any club who was elected out ever get elected back??? I am trying in vain to think of one. Wigan Borough perhaps???

Yes it is easier to get back now due to the new set up which is the point I was making. Did any club who was elected out ever get elected back??? I am trying in vain to think of one. Wigan Borough perhaps???

Totally get what you're saying but I really fear we are sleepwalking towards a really bad place. You could gleam from those interviews on Tees with Raj and HUST, and from analysis of accounts published online, there is money owed to Raj via one of his companies, there a huge covid loan in the mix, historic debt. If I remember rightly there's a charge of some description against some of that as well. I won't go on about it as going over old ground but personally I'm worried about where we are heading.

Like others have said though, I'd rather be celebrating some success together. Actually cheering on the academy lads yesterday is a recent highlight - it was great the way everyone was unified in encouraging them. Hey ho.

and that took them over 45 years to do it. doubt there were many ex wigan borough fans still left when that happened. remember also clubs lost their players when voted out as they became the property of the football league and not the club themselves.

Have supporters changed
I always was glad to see the end of a shit season, write it off and hope for the best even in the really shit days.
But nowadays with some, it’s just doom and gloom, misery and hopelessness and accentuating the negative which must sexually arouse some because I can think of no other explanation in some cases..
You wouldn’t go to war with them.

Good job SM wasn't about in 70s n 80s then.
Roll on next seasons Promotion.

Maybe I just can’t be arsed to get that worked up any more.

they take the game far too serious nowadays. its all about success and promotions and nothing else will do. 2 years ago many were moaning about finishing 17th in league 2. wonder if the same ones would take being 22nd in league one now who moaned about it. once going to the match was something we waited for just in the hope of seeing a win. if it didn,t happen nobody thought of ringing up the samaratans like you feel might happen how.

Snowy moaning about people moaning

I’m doing a seminar about it at the…. ‘ Murray Street Institute of Problem Resolution and Positive Thinking’……if I can be arsed.

How very true Accy When I first started going ( aged 8 ) I was delighted to see us just score a goal That would good enough to send me home happy back in most those days. But then again I always nicked in under the turnstiles so never felt cheated if we lost

Pull yaself togeather man, Thats what we were told.
Nowadays its called therapy

I fainted after the first two words of your reply Greywolf.

So are you saying we should just be thankul now Accrington? Because in 10 years time we might be happy to finish 12th in conference. Why are we continually trying to justify the mess we are in? We are a strange breed us pools fans.

Weird innit. Its not like anyone is saying we should be in the championship. We just want to stop underachieving as a club through incompetence. Not a lot to ask really.

I just dont get it. Are we being unreasonable expecting to be a football league club? Bloody hell we took 750 fans to the other end of the country, brighton and portsmouth would struggle to do that coming to our place. Yet we justify being utterly shit. Meanwhile Gateshead beat all in front of them in the national league, we couldnt dream of beating bromley and Chesterfield within a week of eachother nowadays. Next we will be buzzing with signing a load of lads who have played about 30 games between them come june.

Well Gateshead’s world must have just fell apart.

A good old labour council shafting their own football club, you couldnt make it up.

Surely that means they could win the league for the next ten years and go nowhere.
That could be problematic on the recruiting front if there’s no point in winning….they need a ground that will comply to EFL standards pronto.

They’ve probably gambled on the locals being loyal Mag addicts.

Now Now Snowy, Lets not go down that road.

Nat League rules state also No club below 7th can play in the playoffs, Bit short sighted.

A lot of their own fans have said well what is the point now. Could be the end of them this.

That is one crazy rule, what’s the average age of National League officials…8?

It's bloody scandelous. Stupid rule.