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 Post subject: No more FA Cup replays
PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:00 am 
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The FA have decided to stop FA Cup replays as apparently the Premiership clubs now have busy schedules, another money maker closed to lower league clubs, so the rich can get richer. banghead

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The FA have decided to stop FA Cup replays as apparently the Premiership clubs now have busy schedules, another money maker closed to lower league clubs, so the rich can get richer. banghead

but we,ll still be getting what clubs like us and in the lower divisions want out of it. the sponsorship money. pools will never play in a FA cup final and neither will the shrewsbury,s of this world but the ones that will are the premier league clubs and more than likely one thats been involved in mid week european competitions. in some ways a game that ends on the day might give more giant killing than giving the other club a second chance.


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Think that's a good thing for smaller clubs. How many times do small clubs go close to a major upset only to end in a draw. sctatchinghead Then in the replay probably 9 out of 10 times the bigger clubs play a better team and take the game seriously and knocks out the small club.This will be very positive going forward. Your never going to win the cup but much better chance of getting through and drawing a big club In the next round. You will see more and more small clubs doing well in this competition because the big clubs don't want it anymore. :wink:


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Disagree with the above. This benefits only 6/7 clubs in the premier league and no one else. The replays have already been scrapped from Round 5, which suits the clubs in europe as they're the clubs likely to be in that round, why not just leave it as it is? You're adding max 2 games onto any premier league team if replays are kept and increasing the chances of a smaller club getting the money spinning away tie, where they get 50% of the gate money, massively.
The fact no consultation was held with any EFL or National League club also shows the FA didn't think it'd get the support they needed to pass it.


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The Premiership has become their sole focus.
Of course lower league clubs are gonna get beaten, but even getting beaten in a lucrative away replay has financial benefits for the ‘victim’…actually it is ‘all about the money’ in this case…. but in this instance, putting the very elite club’s earning opportunities up and cutting the rest down.
By the way the FA Cup will not be played until all Premiership fixtures are completed. :roll:

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Leggie43 wrote:
Think that's a good thing for smaller clubs. How many times do small clubs go close to a major upset only to end in a draw. sctatchinghead Then in the replay probably 9 out of 10 times the bigger clubs play a better team and take the game seriously and knocks out the small club.This will be very positive going forward. Your never going to win the cup but much better chance of getting through and drawing a big club In the next round. You will see more and more small clubs doing well in this competition because the big clubs don't want it anymore. :wink:

thankyou. i thought i,d be just one voice in the wilderness on this. you would think its a nailed on win if you get a replay back at your own ground but check up this season in particular this has not happened for clubs playing games against a side in a higher division. can guarentee now if pools play say fylde in the first round replay at the vic and there is not an interesting tie in the next round the gate will be lower than the league game against them.the magic of the cup is something in the imagination of commentators as there will be a number even amongs the few on her who will not be watching this years cup final but never missed it years ago.


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Snowy wrote:
The Premiership has become their sole focus.
Of course lower league clubs are gonna get beaten, but even getting beaten in a lucrative away replay has financial benefits for the ‘victim’…actually it is ‘all about the money’ in this case…. but in this instance, putting the very elite club’s earning opportunities up and cutting the rest down.
By the way the FA Cup will not be played until all Premiership fixtures are completed. :roll:

that might have been the case once, but what would the gate be if we played man.city half reserves in a cup replay with lower admission price on top of it at their place.


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The remedy is quite simple tell the FA and therefore the Premier League to FOXTROT OSCAR and start their own "Association of Football" and when enough Clubs sign up it would be recognised by UEFA and World Football authorities.


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When we drew at Walsall in the first round the other year we made close to £100k in the replay with gate receipts and TV money.
Money like that to a fan owned club is a massive boost.
Its not even a weeks wage to a bang average premier league player.


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loan_star wrote:
When we drew at Walsall in the first round the other year we made close to £100k in the replay with gate receipts and TV money.
Money like that to a fan owned club is a massive boost.
Its not even a weeks wage to a bang average premier league player.


Spot on. Replays for some small clubs are an income for years. Cray Vallaey 2 games against Charlton this year say.

The next step will be removing Euro entry for the League Cup and teams in European competitions will withdraw. Then reduce relegation to 2 clubs from the Premiership, or the inevitable European League and the top clubs disappearing altogether.

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Krampesh wrote:
Disagree with the above. This benefits only 6/7 clubs in the premier league and no one else. The replays have already been scrapped from Round 5, which suits the clubs in europe as they're the clubs likely to be in that round, why not just leave it as it is? You're adding max 2 games onto any premier league team if replays are kept and increasing the chances of a smaller club getting the money spinning away tie, where they get 50% of the gate money, massively.
The fact no consultation was held with any EFL or National League club also shows the FA didn't think it'd get the support they needed to pass it.


The point I was making Krampesh is how many times have pools drawn the first game and lost the replay sctatchinghead Examples We drew at home with Aston Villa then got hammered in replay / We draw away at Ipswich then got beat in replay and its happened plenty of times. If replays had never happened we would have gone to penalties with a 50 / 50 chance of getting throw. A lot of big teams get a shock when playing small clubs due to under estimating them. But when the replay takes place home or away they put in the effort and mostly win. :wink:


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I expect to lose the replay, I’m programmed that way, but you travel in hope…but you’ll get a pay day out of it regardless….. even if you went to Man City and they played the ladies team …,we’d get some dosh in the bank.

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Snowy wrote:
I expect to lose the replay, I’m programmed that way, but you travel in hope…but you’ll get a pay day out of it regardless….. even if you went to Man City and they played the ladies team …,we’d get some dosh in the bank.


But with no replays we could win a penalty shoot out and progress to play " a bigger fish " with gold rocks in its pound. :wink:


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Snowy wrote:
The FA have decided to stop FA Cup replays as apparently the Premiership clubs now have busy schedules, another money maker closed to lower league clubs, so the rich can get richer. banghead


Not too busy to travel the world when they have a break to play a friendly. Hope pools and others make a stance and pull out.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:31 pm 
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The F.A. just suck up to the big dogs and with no consultation. Why don't the Premier League drop out of the F.A.Cup? It wouldn't bother me in the slightest.


Sign this if it bothers you. https://www.change.org/p/reverse-the-de ... up-replays


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The F.A. just suck up to the big dogs and with no consultation. Why don't the Premier League drop out of the F.A.Cup? It wouldn't bother me in the slightest.


Sign this if it bothers you. https://www.change.org/p/reverse-the-de ... up-replays


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The FA as usual bowing down to UEFA.


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Always the concern for the FA that the big clubs will form a Europa Super League with others, FA have to keep them sweet.


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Leggie43 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
I expect to lose the replay, I’m programmed that way, but you travel in hope…but you’ll get a pay day out of it regardless….. even if you went to Man City and they played the ladies team …,we’d get some dosh in the bank.


But with no replays we could win a penalty shoot out and progress to play " a bigger fish " with gold rocks in its pound. :wink:

and its not just pools this can happen to. you just need to look back at the replays this season when the results more or less have gone in favour of the side in the higher league. next things is some fans wanting the multiple replays coming back playing games on neutral grounds. no matter what people say there is less interest in the fa cup than there was when i started watching. the football world has changed whether we like it or not and have two choices what to do about it.


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Leggie43 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
I expect to lose the replay, I’m programmed that way, but you travel in hope…but you’ll get a pay day out of it regardless….. even if you went to Man City and they played the ladies team …,we’d get some dosh in the bank.


But with no replays we could win a penalty shoot out and progress to play " a bigger fish " with gold rocks in its pound. :wink:

and its not just pools this can happen to. you just need to look back at the replays this season when the results more or less have gone in favour of the side in the higher league. next things is some fans wanting the multiple replays coming back playing games on neutral grounds. no matter what people say there is less interest in the fa cup than there was when i started watching. the football world has changed whether we like it or not and have two choices what to do about it.



The F.A.Cup was killed off by that wanker pisshead Ferguson. He decided to play a " micky mouse " game in South America and pulled out of the F.A.Cup in 1999. That totally devalued the compition. The following seasons the top Premier League teams played the second string sides and that was the end of the greatest club competition on Earth. rakxe


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https://www.change.org/m/save-the-fa-cu ... =490017534


This is where the action is. I'm hoping one of these petitions takes off, maybe go for the top voted one to make impact?


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There may be pros and cons to scrapping replays, but it should have been consulted with smaller clubs and fans first. As always we are an afterthought to what the top premier league clubs want.

They are always complaining about too many games but all seem to manage to jet off around the world for pre season tournaments every year


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There may be pros and cons to scrapping replays, but it should have been consulted with smaller clubs and fans first. As always we are an afterthought to what the top premier league clubs want.

They are always complaining about too many games but all seem to manage to jet off around the world for pre season tournaments every year

problem is that the smaller clubs with their smaller number of fans are there to make up the numbers. they get little or no free publicity away from the area they play and for the average football fan who discusses the game with their mates will be possibly never be mentioned. our football world is totally a different one than for a top premier leagues club fan and has always been. dig out an old annual from the 50,s and even then it was mainly about the top clubs then and the cup winners with little content on league 3 N or S.


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And has always been so. Sorry, but I detest people who are so insecure they can’t support their local team but fawn over bigger teams and patronisingly talk as though Pools are not really a proper team…… according to them.
I recall a friendly/testimonial back in the day against Newcastle and we ended up in the Mill House Stand but sat below us was three blokes including a local Councillor with a high profile who leapt into the air in joy when Newcastle scored.
Pathetic. :roll:

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And has always been so. Sorry, but I detest people who are so insecure they can’t support their local team but fawn over bigger teams and patronisingly talk as though Pools are not really a proper team…… according to them.
I recall a friendly/testimonial back in the day against Newcastle and we ended up in the Mill House Stand but sat below us was three blokes including a local Councillor with a high profile who leapt into the air in joy when Newcastle scored.
Pathetic. :roll:

not bothered about the ones who initially decided to support a team at the top because they wanted to watch household names playing week in week out and stay with that club for life. its the ones that change clubs every few seasons following success i have an issue with.


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The Premier League stuff just leaves me cold now. These top P.L. clubs who "we" are now changing the values of The F.A.Cup for, were the same clubs that wanted to fuck off and form a new Euro league in which it was a closed shop, ie you could never be relegated. It all just shows the real mentality of those in charge.

Lower league football is so much better, the drama is still there and all the things you wish to enjoy and be part of can be found, good and bad - for a fraction of the ticket price, yet everything is weighted towards the very few at the very top.


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Infidel wrote:
The Premier League stuff just leaves me cold now. These top P.L. clubs who "we" are now changing the values of The F.A.Cup for, were the same clubs that wanted to fuck off and form a new Euro league in which it was a closed shop, ie you could never be relegated. It all just shows the real mentality of those in charge.

Lower league football is so much better, the drama is still there and all the things you wish to enjoy and be part of can be found, good and bad - for a fraction of the ticket price, yet everything is weighted towards the very few at the very top.

What I find odd nowadays with the Premiership is, back in the day you knew most of the players and in the old First Division, nowadays most names are rather anonymous, bought at ridiculous prices and little or no talent, heralded as super signings who give new meaning to the ‘overrated’..

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Infidel wrote:
The Premier League stuff just leaves me cold now. These top P.L. clubs who "we" are now changing the values of The F.A.Cup for, were the same clubs that wanted to fuck off and form a new Euro league in which it was a closed shop, ie you could never be relegated. It all just shows the real mentality of those in charge.

Lower league football is so much better, the drama is still there and all the things you wish to enjoy and be part of can be found, good and bad - for a fraction of the ticket price, yet everything is weighted towards the very few at the very top.

it was the same back in the 50,s when i was a kid but you just hear more about it because there is more outlets for its publicity. all most of us had were local and national papers with very little mention of div.3 north or south in the latter. buy an annual or a monthly football magazine it was 90 odd per cent about the top clubs and the FA Cup winners.


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