I am not condemning Challinor but what he did was show there is no loyalty in football, why didn’t Challinor refuse to sign a new contract, like players kissing the badge one minute then moving on when they get a better offer.

That is one of the points I've just made. Like the average player he did what he did for himself and his family. He got a bigger salary, a job which enabled him to enhance his reputation, nearer home so less travelling. He would have been daft to turn it down. Some people would call it mercenary others would call it a no brainer. Tis life my friend. The fans have absolute loyalty to the club, the employees are just like any other employee.

Challinor did refuse to sign a contract. He was offered a new contract after Bristol which he described as derisory and went on to renegotiate a new one. He reneged on that new contract when he was offered the Stockport job. It was said that relations between him and Raj had deteriorated, so if that is true then there was another reason to jump at Stockport's offer. One fact that is indisputable about Raj and that is he is not frightened to sack a manager. In fact you could say that about Hartlepool United itself. How many managers in say the last fifty years could we class as long serving.

Challinor did refuse to sign a contract. He was offered a new contract after Bristol which he described as derisory and went on to renegotiate a new one. He reneged on that new contract when he was offered the Stockport job. It was said that relations between him and Raj had deteriorated, so if that is true then there was another reason to jump at Stockport's offer. One fact that is indisputable about Raj and that is he is not frightened to sack a manager. In fact you could say that about Hartlepool United itself. How many managers in say the last fifty years could we class as long serving.

Pools dont do "long serving", its the naure of the beast regardless of who the chairman/owner happens to be. If Pools have a boss who brings a modicum of success, they are away to a bigger club. If the manager is leading us to relegation, they are sacked. If a manager just about keeps Pools ticking over with no chance of promotion but relegation staved off they are eventually sacked due to lack of success. Twas ever thus.

Yep.

Yep.

Who does long serving managers? Whilst Pools record is not very good there are many clubs just as bad. I think the average length is about 3yrs at best. It’s a case of results or your out.

See Challinor has guided Stocky into Div 1

Always gonna happen. Narrowly missed out last year. Challinor knows how to manage and has a decent budget so not a lot could go wrong. We know he can do it in the NL and League Two but will be interesting how he gets on higher up the pyramid. If he gets them into the Championship I wonder what will happen? After all, serious money needs to be spent to make headway at that level and at the end of the day, Stockport are a small club. How deep are the pockets of their sugar daddy?

So have Widdrington and Watson contacted you to say they’ll take the job.
Yeah, thought not.

You must be making a fortune Loyal I never knew you are a management agent Now it all makes sense regarding getting rid of KP But don't worry mate we can keep your secret between us.

he gave us decent mention when he got interviewed about his promotion and which one he regards as his best.

they do not do long serving with players either since the 60,s where most seasons apart from the odd succesful ones saw more or less a new team playing every season with signings no better than who they got rid of. decent ones left for better.

Again are we any different from other clubs of our standing?

no. its just our club is more important to us.

Watson lives in Costa Rica now, he was on an episode of Undr the Cosh recently, he has a few commentary sidelines going, I doubt he want to return to the sunny shores of Pools.

Costa Rica…most of the locals are heading for the States…..I wouldn’t send the dogs there on a ratting retreat.

Think he meant Steve Watson at Darlo not flash.

Id certainly be looking at watson for next pools manager whether thats now or in August. Did great at Gateshead and now pulled off a miracle at Darlo.

Where did you read that Snowy, do a bit of research,Costa Rica has been crowned the best place to retire in 2024, according to the Annual Global Retirement Index published by International Living and many other surveys.

Apologies I thought you meant Flash.

If you’ve got money…..and voted for by who.
Not so nice if you are from there and are catering for those with money while you’re on skivvy wages.
God knows what these wandering pensioners are chasing or running away from…Oddly enough I can’t think of one person who’s told me they’re retiring to Costa Rica….while the natives want to be out,,,get real.
I wouldn’t be seen dead reading some thing called ‘The Annual Global Retirement Index’…….what’s next to it shelf ‘ DIY Home Cremation for Begiiners’…?

Just out of interest I looked into one of my favourite times supporting Pools ie middle fifties and the famous game against the Busby Babes and the number of appearances by the players. Cameron 177, Thompson 395, Newton 337, Moore 448, Stamper 301, Anderson 178, Johnson 383, McGuigan 325, Luke 183. That’s what you call a settled team. Whilst that game was our record attendence of over 17000 I think there must of been over 40000 if you listen to everybody who said they were there!!

Players weren't the mercenaries that they are now and wasn't there a wage limit in football too back then?
Even long term contracts nowadays aren't worth the paper they're printed on even at our level - remember Luke James refusing to play for us cos he wanted a move?

The M U crowd was 17,264 but the Leeds f.a.cup crowd was 16,000 Bob Newton told me and a few others it was just over 20,000 but bonuses had to be paid to the players in cash so the club listed exactly 16,000 what's the chances.

Sorry but I do not believe you could get 20000 in Pools ground and I may be mistaken but I believe the time of the Leeds game the capacity was lower than the middle fifties.

Capacity was nothing to do with the actual crowd size on the night. Did you go to that game It was jam packed and well over any limits. Vincent Barker had to go to the council for a urgent meeting the following week to explain what had happened and told the committee the police insisted on the gates being opended because the Leeds fans started kicking off about the slow turn stiles and missing the kick off.

I’d go widdrington and Watson in that order[/quote]
So have Widdrington and Watson contacted you to say they’ll take the job.
Yeah, thought not. [/quote]

Watson lives in Costa Rica now, he was on an episode of Undr the Cosh recently, he has a few commentary sidelines going, I doubt he want to return to the sunny shores of Pools.[/quote]
Costa Rica…most of the locals are heading for the States…..I wouldn’t send the dogs there on a ratting retreat. [/quote]

Where did you read that Snowy, do a bit of research,Costa Rica has been crowned the best place to retire in 2024, according to the Annual Global Retirement Index published by International Living and many other surveys.[/quote]
If you’ve got money…..and voted for by who.
Not so nice if you are from there and are catering for those with money while you’re on skivvy wages.
God knows what these wandering pensioners are chasing or running away from…Oddly enough I can’t think of one person who’s told me they’re retiring to Costa Rica….while the natives want to be out,,,get real.
I wouldn’t be seen dead reading some thing called ‘The Annual Global Retirement Index’…….what’s next to it shelf ‘ DIY Home Cremation for Begiiners’…?[/quote]




Snowy what a negative reply, don’t criticise something or somewhere you have never been to or experienced. Pensioners ‘run away’ from many things the miserable U.K. weather for one, they could live there in a healthier climate and not be stuck in the house day in day out due to the adverse weather.

The cost of living is another benefit, cheaper utilities bills, cheaper and better quality accommodations, food etc, the skivvies are quite happy for you to earn them a living otherwise they would have nought.

Snowy have you ever ventured in your life further than the shores of Seaton, your choice but don’t criticise others who do venture just because you don’t.Of course you won’t have met anyone who has retired to Costa Rico neither have I brought it up because Gordon Flash Watson lives there so it can’t be that bad.I know plenty who have retired abroad not chasing or running away from anything just a better quality of life.

That was just Jibber Jabber.
Pass a throw away humorous jibe and Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Ask you the time and you tell me how a watch works plus the theory of time
Brevity please.

Snowy it wasn’t a throw away jibe, you meant it, you appear to have a problem with anyone who leads a different live style to you, you post was just after 6 when you are at your most grumpiest.

There go again jumping on Snowys posts, try posting some thing original for once.

You told me I was not top of the class in English. Very strange coming from you Now take a critical look at your own English. Remember to never throw a stone when standing in a greenhouse. If I wish to post a message under another bunkers post I will simples. If you look at my posts you will see I put a lot of messages under other people's posts and not just under " Special Jamie's " posts. If I agree with a post I will say so, if I see a fool looking totally stupid I may use a laughing modj to express my feelings. I have never and will never tolorate clowns or bullies like you. You should try being polite and stop looking down your nose at people. How can I not respond when you said Snowy never leaves Seaton Carew but you are a globe trotter. Here is a little surprise for you Mr Columbus, that man has travelled the World a few times whilst serving his country in the Royal Navy. Those types of quotes make you look very silly aswell as big headed. I suggest you take a step back and look at the bigger picture. Sorry to " burst your bubble " but the World does not revolve around you.

Now that was a bite, I haven’t sailed round the world though, as far as I know Snowy was never in the Royal Navy.

Now that was a bite, I haven’t sailed round the world though, as far as I know Snowy was never in the Royal Navy.

1979 to 85.

Oh dear poor Jamie is wrong WHAT.

The Vic certainly was rammed. The Millhouse seats were oversold by about a factor of 2. Wouldn't have minded but there were a lot of Plastic Tykes from the town in amongst the true Poolies. And we did get walloped!

Yes but we had two shots on target and scored them both.

You couldn’t risk breathing in as there was no room to breathe out again.

Well said.
A typical snotty ex pat.

Nothing worse than the trait of envy and jealousy, I had the opportunities to travel through going on holiday and working abroad.
You make your opportunities in life, no one gives them to you.

A self made man, ……who worships his creator.

a couple of points from that. The end of the maximum wage was the worst thing to happen for clubs like pools even though they never paid the maximum. we could not replace those names who left as it wasn,t just a few quid a week we were talking about. know i wasn,t allowed to go to the man.u cup game due to the fact as my old man said that 17,000 was well underestimated and guessed what it would have been like.

I only got caught in a crush once, but it was scary and you can’t do a thing about it.

The difference to the Man U game and the Leeds game was the ManU game was all ticket ( I still have mine) whilst the Leeds I believe was pay at the gate so that I suppose was open to fiddling.