I would have to have patience with someone in the first place to end it.
Where have I ever said Raj had my patience.
You said Raj should be told to leave and I stupidly thought you would have the guts to do it. Obviously you haven't so perhaps you might tell who you have in mind to do the deed.

It certainly wasn't plain sailing but I never had any concern about our existence while they had the reins. Since then we have been shrouded in uncertainty and that concerns me.

There is the misconception that IOR were an oil and gas company like Shell, BP etc they weren’t, they were a consulting company employing around 20 people. Hodcroft was a big mate of Berg Larsen of Larsen Oil and Gas and DNO. They put together a plan to buy Pools, registered them in the Virgin Islands for tax purposes, tax avoidance not illegal, it worked ok until Larsen withdrew his backing.
Looking at IOR filing history were they as an individual company any bigger than Raj Singh companies, maybe one of the ‘accountants’ on here can enlighten me.
https://find-and-update.company-informa ... ory?page=2

Not cash matey.
Than doesn't guarantee success.
Biggest combination is having owners who actually know what they are doing.
Who don't employ arselickers to become scapegoats or blame everyone but themselves.

Anyhow this place is about 1% of our fan base so our views basically mean Jack's hit but common sense sometimes is a mystery on the Bunker.
Only football tho.

You certainly seemed to have restraint. It is a compliment. Why would you make the leap from me suggesting that Raj should be asked to leave and me personally doing it on my own. It is the collective I refer to? Can you not see the massive power we have? Don't do any more of that thinking stupidly, it does not suit non-stupid people.

How do you propose to get Raj out collectively. Crowd chanting or boycotting games or what.

How do you propose to get Raj out collectively. Crowd chanting or boycotting games or what.

If what was happening at pools happened at a reading or some other club their would be protests, boycotts etc at pools we seem to have the patience of a saint.

You underrate tennis balls then.

Tennis balls???? silly bugger.

Yep

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If what was happening at pools happened at a reading or some other club their would be protests, boycotts etc at pools we seem to have the patience of a saint.[/quote]

Or there are too many gullible buggers who get taken in year after year.

If what was happening at pools happened at a reading or some other club their would be protests, boycotts etc at pools we seem to have the patience of a saint.[/quote]

Or there are too many gullible buggers who get taken in year after year.[/quote]

Yes or just take being shit for granted.

Season ticket boycott. Only thing Raj understands as they are the bedrock of funding for the season.

Or there are too many gullible buggers who get taken in year after year.[/quote]

Yes or just take being shit for granted.[/quote]

So around four thousand fans who turn up every home game plus the hundreds who travel the length and breadth of the country supporting the club and collectively spend thousands on food, drink and merchandise are taking shit for granted as well as being gullible buggers who get taken in year after year. What a disgraceful statement to make about people who support the club through thick and thin.
Before you say you don't mean those fans, they are the only fans who can be taken in. They are the main supporters of the club both financially and physically.
I don't think you've actually thought through what you are saying and who you are accusing.

A season ticket boycott must be the most ridiculous suggestion I have seen on this board .

Especially when we are just about to build a better squad Imagine no season tickets means no new players or worse no club at all. It really does make you wonder what some fans want.

Well it all depends if you are bothered about watching yet another year of abject shite overseen by Raj. Horses for courses I suppose.

The only thing a ST boycott would achieve would be a lower budget to spend on the team - you know that thing that you say has to increase because big budgets bring success.
You want a bigger budget and to achieve that you want a ST boycott????

The hypothetical question was what collective action could be taken to push Raj out, if that’s what fans want. Not buying season tickets is something I think would be effective. As it happens I just think the overall number sold will be down anyway. I think people are seeing through the new board, competitive budget nonsense.

I find it amazing that on the one hand they want the maximum playing budget possible but to get it they suggest action that reduces the club's income.
I may be wrong simply because I don't know Raj and therefore can't second guess what influences him but I would suggest the best way to shift him would be to ensure he gets an offer he can't refuse.
I'm also guessing that the more you antagonise him the more he'll dig his heels in.

I don't know who 'they' are, nor have I read anywhere anyone making such a simplistic argument.

That's very very defeatist. I'm sorry but I do not advocate defeatism.

Mr Jamie you really are a condescending dunce.
The "misconception" is only in YOUR head.
We all know IOR was a small O/G service company... used as a front for Larsen Oil Gas which was O/G production company
We all know this FFS.
Like we all know about bloody Teeswork.
And Thatcher.
And Brexit.
For a raggy arse contractor you really think only you are privileged to know the be all and end all of every f/kin thing don't you?
Hows the boys out in Thailand doing?
You out tonight?

Wow. What a lovely lovely person.

This can’t be the same bloke who’s on the bord surely, he comes across as thick as 2 short planks

Never mind keep reading and you might learn a bit more.
Here's a bit of startling information for you, having listened to what you advocate over the past two years I have long since stopped taking notice of what you do or don't advocate. In fact I usually look for the opposite of what you advocate cos that path bears more fruit. That's not to say I won't stop trying to keep you right.

Jamie’s view on IOR was on the money. Ken Jong Il was the manager but Larsen was the money. When he went it dried up along with Hodcrofts nonsense about £1m a year.

Yes or just take being shit for granted.[/quote]

So around four thousand fans who turn up every home game plus the hundreds who travel the length and breadth of the country supporting the club and collectively spend thousands on food, drink and merchandise are taking shit for granted as well as being gullible buggers who get taken in year after year. What a disgraceful statement to make about people who support the club through thick and thin.
Before you say you don't mean those fans, they are the only fans who can be taken in. They are the main supporters of the club both financially and physically.
I don't think you've actually thought through what you are saying and who you are accusing.[/quote]

Yes were all gullible but some in more ways than others. You who has defended raj singh at every opportunity until he appointed someone your not keen on have defended whats gone on to the hilt. Fans who havent spoke out about this man have the club they deserve now a complete mess on and off the field

You've been quite gracious once you stopped trying to stifle chat about about Raj being less than perfect. Now long ago I did come to terms with and begin to respect why you did it and I still do now. Do me a favour though, please respect the fact that some peoples anger is going to persist longer than yours. Give it and the transition to despair will come.

"So around four thousand fans who turn up every home game plus the hundreds who travel the length and breadth of the country supporting the club and collectively spend thousands on food, drink and merchandise are taking shit for granted as well as being gullible buggers who get taken in year after year. What a disgraceful statement to make about people who support the club through thick and thin.
Before you say you don't mean those fans, they are the only fans who can be taken in. They are the main supporters of the club both financially and physically.
I don't think you've actually thought through what you are saying and who you are accusing"

Only the ones who believe the Raj BS. If the cap fits, you can bloody well wear it. Gullible.

I don't think you actually know what you're saying half the time. The definition of gullible is actually believing anything you say. So that certainly rules me out.

Gullible is believing anything Pooly_Imp off the bunker says? I thought it was a much more generic term than that. One lives and learns.

The person you need to do you a favour is yourself. It's not my responsibility to control your anger or even give it my attention, that's your job. You're right about me being gracious. The secret to that is to work at it. You have my permission to give it a try.

Living and learning is a good target to have. Keep at it.

We did it back in the early 70’s…but no one is going to do anything because no one has the balls to do it…everybody talks about it and looks at each other and expects someone else to lead, but no one will.

You are right snowy the fight in pools fans seems to have died. Its true though this would not be allowed to happen at many other clubs, some are even frightened of upsetting the guy destroying our club, im not sure how bad its got to get.

At what other club have the fans managed to drive the Chairman out or get the Chairman to chuck loads of money in or really influence anything at all to do with the running of the club?
Howling at the moon doesn't stop it appearing every night, Raj is the man in charge at the moment and all we can do is hope for better times or better owners or both.
If he wants to destroy the club he could do that today just by walking.
Doesn't mean we like the bloke.

The problem is the same repetitive complaints are tumbled about on message boards like clothes in a washing machine till the message becomes blah, blah, blah and it’s wallpaper.
No one is reading it…..so if people aren’t prepared to stand up and do something positive as opposed to chuntering, nothing is going to change ever.
You really have to look in the mirror and ask yourself if you’re prepared to to do something that will put a really positive message over and not necessarily disruptive but smart.

It’s like a rubber dinghy in the middle of the sea with three survivors.
One is a 22 stone man mountain with a vile temper and known for having a short temper and in charge of the rations which he’s eating.
The second bloke is pissed off but see’s how hopeless the situation is and prays for rescue, but ain’t gonna wind him up.
The third man is trying to convince the other bloke to assault the big bloke even though deep down he knows it won’t end well but wants to chance everything not realising how badly it could end, they thought they saw rescue coming but it disappeared…..What do they do before they starve?

It's completely up to Raj, Philips, the players etc Al. They're the active participants all we can do is watch (or not) and hope.
The football has been mostly awful to watch this season, the results have been what we deserve imo, and yet another 4 wins over the course of the season would probably have achieved a play off place so it's not as if massive improvement would be required - although would be hugely welcomed.
Roll on the new season and new hope.

Basically we all know now how shit this division is.
Probably the worst standard for a long time.
I'm optimistic about next season on that front.

Likes been said it's down to the top 2 men at the club now to deliver the merchandise with promotion.
Shit or bust time. No more false dawns/hopes.
UTP

Aye Kev, it is.
I don’t see any more seasons like the previous ones being tolerated.
But if the pattern continues, coming on here and having a whinge fest will be copping out.
If change is needed and people are prepared to take a drop in circumstances to re-group that’s a start, but sacrifices would have to be made…folk coming on here moaning won’t change a thing, it’s like throwing tennis ball at a tank and we’re up to our knees in tennis balls and haven’t scratched the paintwork.
We might pull ourselves together, but it’s gonna be a long summer waiting to find out.

Can someone tell me what happens if the chairman leaves and everyone decides not to buy a season ticket. How do we survive ? I honestly believe that the people on this board are not supporters and are just trying to cause an argument

Wow! Surely someone on the Pools Board representing Suppoerters shouldn't be speaking to a Pools supporter like that!

some let their hearts rule their heads and would quite happily cut their own noses off to get rid of raj. as for boycotting games its the highlight of the week for thousands and many of them never get into club politics or are interested. they just want to see a pools team perform with the hope of a possible promotion to come in the season. pools are not on their own and it wasn,t all sweetness and light at stockport and wrexham either till the money arrived there. would love to get a localish owner willing to waste there millions on the club but reality is that at the moment its raj singh or possibly worse.

or pissed up.

There was a question about what sort of protest works against owners (if anyone even wanted to do that.) Money talks, as it did at Oldham, Blackpool and other clubs where the action of fans brought about change. What happens if the chairman leaves AND no-one buys season tickets is not a scenario anyone mentioned… that would be weird to say the least.

What’s the plan for our club? Raj never seems to have one. This new ‘board’ or more likely a human shield to deflect criticism, offers no different approach. Lawrence was originally brought in to advise on football matters… 14 mostly abject, scattergun loan signings later... Steel is a proper Hartlepool fan and I’ve no doubt he wants to help but has been part of set up for a while and Walter Mitty Shithead is a yes man, so I’m not sure how that offers any challenge to the status quo.

There is so much disillusionment amongst people you talk to at the match, in pubs afterwards and online, and I’ve never known so many say they’ve got better things to do. It’s a sad state of affairs. And don’t forget the owner put the club up for sale, which itself was unsettling, then said he was wanting out by the end of February, then is staying… is this the way to run a club or indeed any business? Bizarre behaviour.

the situations at oldham, blackpool and most if not all of the other clubs were much more serious than at pools. we are just treading water unlike being killed like these others were. if only raj had not made as many mistakes as he has i feel more would be patient or not as quick to knock the bloke. we need an owner with far more money than he has whose only interest is spending it on the club with little imput on how its being run.

We should have an idea of the clubs intentions by Juneish.

[quote="Mikey76"][quote="bluebottle"]Can someone tell me what happens if the chairman leaves and everyone decides not to buy a season ticket. How do we survive ? I honestly believe that the people on this board are not supporters and are just trying to cause an argument[/quote]

There was a question about what sort of protest works against owners (if anyone even wanted to do that.) Money talks, as it did at Oldham, Blackpool and other clubs where the action of fans brought about change. What happens if the chairman leaves AND no-one buys season tickets is not a scenario anyone mentioned… that would be weird to say the least.

What’s the plan for our club? Raj never seems to have one. This new ‘board’ or more likely a human shield to deflect criticism, offers no different approach. Lawrence was originally brought in to advise on football matters… 14 mostly abject, scattergun loan signings later... Steel is a proper Hartlepool fan and I’ve no doubt he wants to help but has been part of set up for a while and Walter Mitty Shithead is a yes man, so I’m not sure how that offers any challenge to the status quo.

There is so much disillusionment amongst people you talk to at the match, in pubs afterwards and online, and I’ve never known so many say they’ve got better things to do. It’s a sad state of affairs. And don’t forget the owner put the club up for sale, which itself was unsettling, then said he was wanting out by the end of February, then is staying… is this the way to run a club or indeed any business? Bizarre behaviour.[/quote]

With respect to you my friend you are just repeating and describing the same scenario that others have been doing for nearly two years now and nothing has changed. We all know what the situation is and, as Snowy said, most people are sick of hearing the same old rant. I have repeatedly said there is nothing we can do, other than walk away, which hard core lifetime supporters find difficult to do. Because of the frustrations that emanate from not being able to do anything we turn, in our frustration, to beating each other up and that is exactly what is happening. We have to find another way, a better way, a way that will achieve what we all want. As yet nobody has been able to do that, so frustrations and anger get deeper and deeper.
I wish I could provide the answer but I can't.