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 Post subject: Re: Ronnie Moore
PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 4:53 am 
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I assume he will be at the game on Saturday, it would add a few hundred to the attendance.


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He’d get a welcome obviously, but I honestly can’t see anyone extra turning up solely on the strength of him being there.

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I think most loyal ST buying fans will decide for themselves whether to renew or not without any thought as to what Raj has to say. I'll be renewing again because Pools are my club regardless of who actually owns us, and regardless of if we sign someone from the likes of The Dog and Duck or from Man City.


I totally get it. Not everyone buying a season ticket is doing it because of some nonsense statement.

I always bought a season ticket because I went to Pools, they are my team, promises, plans, bullshit, even a genuine belief in a better tomorrow,were irrelevant, they made no difference to me, Pools are team, so I buy a season ticket. Simple as that.

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 Post subject: Re: Ronnie Moore
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I assume he will be at the game on Saturday, it would add a few hundred to the attendance.

Surely he'll be at a game elsewhere, doing his new job and scouting players, absolutely no need for him to be at the Vic

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 Post subject: Re: Ronnie Moore
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Pooly_Imp wrote:
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I think most loyal ST buying fans will decide for themselves whether to renew or not without any thought as to what Raj has to say. I'll be renewing again because Pools are my club regardless of who actually owns us, and regardless of if we sign someone from the likes of The Dog and Duck or from Man City.


I totally get it. Not everyone buying a season ticket is doing it because of some nonsense statement.

its not exactly a rallying cry for fans either. Fans renue, they do not and others decide to do so is more about their own circumstances than what an owner has to say. Know i,d get one if i lived say in ripon or thirsk but its the journey home that stops me more than the money.


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 Post subject: Re: Ronnie Moore
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PTID wrote:
I think most loyal ST buying fans will decide for themselves whether to renew or not without any thought as to what Raj has to say. I'll be renewing again because Pools are my club regardless of who actually owns us, and regardless of if we sign someone from the likes of The Dog and Duck or from Man City.


Agree. Bringing Ronnie back has 'fan pleaser' written all over it but being realistic you don't expect a chief scout to attend home games and he certainly won't be in the dug out (except as a potential caretaker when Raj next swings the axe :wink:).

Barring getting rid of our best players and signing a load of part-timers, or a massive price hike, I'll renew.


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 Post subject: Re: Ronnie Moore
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I assume he will be at the game on Saturday, it would add a few hundred to the attendance.

Surely he'll be at a game elsewhere, doing his new job and scouting players, absolutely no need for him to be at the Vic


He will be there to see the quality of players Pools have and see what’s required to replace them plus there won’t be many decent players available at this time of the season.


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Flying Hogans wrote:
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I think most loyal ST buying fans will decide for themselves whether to renew or not without any thought as to what Raj has to say. I'll be renewing again because Pools are my club regardless of who actually owns us, and regardless of if we sign someone from the likes of The Dog and Duck or from Man City.


Agree. Bringing Ronnie back has 'fan pleaser' written all over it but being realistic you don't expect a chief scout to attend home games and he certainly won't be in the dug out (except as a potential caretaker when Raj next swings the axe :wink:).

Barring getting rid of our best players and signing a load of part-timers, or a massive price hike, I'll renew.

my old man did some part time paid scouting work for derby county in the 50,s looking at games and players in the NE and parts of yorkshire. he never once was at the baseball ground on matchdays and only there a handfull of times in six months of doing the job. phone calls and written reports were enough and now we have the internet on top now. fans might actually never see ronnie.


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 Post subject: Re: Ronnie Moore
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Jamie1952 wrote:
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I assume he will be at the game on Saturday, it would add a few hundred to the attendance.

Surely he'll be at a game elsewhere, doing his new job and scouting players, absolutely no need for him to be at the Vic


He will be there to see the quality of players Pools have and see what’s required to replace them plus there won’t be many decent players available at this time of the season.

I can’t see the casual part time supporter thinking ….”Hmmm I wasn’t going to Pools today, but as Ronnies gonna come out and wave to the crowd for 5 secs I’ll go now definitely “ ……. no way.

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 Post subject: Re: Ronnie Moore
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I can’t see the casual part time supporter thinking ….”Hmmm I wasn’t going to Pools today, but as Ronnies gonna come out and wave to the crowd for 5 secs I’ll go now definitely “ ……. no way.

and god help him and the club if he actually blanks a fan by accident when going into the ground. they,ll be starting a mass boycott of season tickets for next season.


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 Post subject: Re: Ronnie Moore
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Jamie1952 wrote:
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I assume he will be at the game on Saturday, it would add a few hundred to the attendance.

Surely he'll be at a game elsewhere, doing his new job and scouting players, absolutely no need for him to be at the Vic


He will be there to see the quality of players Pools have and see what’s required to replace them plus there won’t be many decent players available at this time of the season.


It's not this season he will be interested in it's the next one, so it is imperative that he gets at it as soon as possible. Also at this time of the season he will be able to see players who are still putting a shift in and those who are just going through the motions whilst dreaming of beaches and building sandcastles. I think KP will by now have a good idea what he wants and it will be Ronnie's job to find them. As he is doing this he will be noting players who catch his eye and building up a portfolio of potential desirables. Running the rule over the current squad is not his job, that is the job of the manager and his staff. There will be myriads of videos available to watch if he wants to build up a picture of current capabilities. The only proviso I would suggest is KP might ask him to attend to give a second opinion on the retention or not of certain players.

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 Post subject: Re: Ronnie Moore
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Just as a corrective to people who’ve put on the rose tinted spectacles at the mention of Ronnie Moore - yes, the Great Escape was an achievement and a lot of fun too - but when he left Pools ‘by mutual consent’ in February of the following season Pools were 21st in the table. Craig Hignett kept us up that year.


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Just as a corrective to people who’ve put on the rose tinted spectacles at the mention of Ronnie Moore - yes, the Great Escape was an achievement and a lot of fun too - but when he left Pools ‘by mutual consent’ in February of the following season Pools were 21st in the table. Craig Hignett kept us up that year.

can add why has he come back to pools now in their present situation. its not as if he is a local lad or a hero on the pitch like he was at tranmere or rotherham where he must be remembered more than just for a late escape and nothing much else positive.


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 Post subject: Re: Ronnie Moore
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Dont forget there is to be an annoucement on the new look directors board and by the looks a new man running the club on Rajs behalf.

Ronnie is the first piece of this new jigsaw !

Id imagine being at games scouting the oppo is also sometimes in the recruitment mans guidebook ! Never know we might fancy an Aldershot player or 2 ?


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[quote="Eiphos_3"]Dont forget there is to be an annoucement on the new look directors board and by the looks a new man running the club on Rajs behalf.

Ronnie is the first piece of this new jigsaw !

so will mark maguire be coming back with another vision of our future.


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 Post subject: Re: Ronnie Moore
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Where is all the money coming from to pay all the additional staff who are going to be running Pools ?


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I said some time ago that Raj needed someone to run the club for him and suggested he go and have a word with Russ Green, or someone of that ilk.

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Where is all the money coming from to pay all the additional staff who are going to be running Pools ?


From new cash injection.

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 Post subject: Re: Ronnie Moore
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Where is all the money coming from to pay all the additional staff who are going to be running Pools ?


From new cash injection.


a.k.a. Debt conversion.


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 Post subject: Re: Ronnie Moore
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Where is all the money coming from to pay all the additional staff who are going to be running Pools ?


From new cash injection.


a.k.a. Debt conversion.


Ah you've forgotten about the 14 million.

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 Post subject: Re: Ronnie Moore
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Let’s not forget Ronnie Moore left Pools by mutual consent the following season 4 points above relegation so whilst he managed the great escape he couldn’t continue it in the following season after which Jones appointed eventually leaving and finally we were relegated


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He's been announced as chief scout not manager hasn't he?


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Where is all the money coming from to pay all the additional staff who are going to be running Pools ?


From new cash injection.


a.k.a. Debt conversion.



exactly. Last takeover failed because the amount of apparent debt owed to Raj (as losses over time)couldnt be agreed to be paid by the new group. Extra spending by Raj just digs a deeper hole


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 Post subject: Re: Ronnie Moore
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Let’s not forget Ronnie Moore left Pools by mutual consent the following season 4 points above relegation so whilst he managed the great escape he couldn’t continue it in the following season after which Jones appointed eventually leaving and finally we were relegated

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 Post subject: Re: Ronnie Moore
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I'm lost with this now! A poster on here the other day confidently stated a deal would be done with investors this week (or imminently at least.) There's rumours of an offer been made only this week. Now there talk of share issues doing the rounds. Raj's statement said he's putting more money in but does that actually help or make things worst in future?

At the moment it just looks like we're drowning in debt and there's no plan to get out of that. Raj's statement was weird to be honest and everything else is just rumours. Why does he make it so complicated!


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Jamie - Craig Hignett took over from Moore and was sacked leaving Jones with a taskless situation which he made worse.


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derwent wrote:
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Where is all the money coming from to pay all the additional staff who are going to be running Pools ?


From new cash injection.


a.k.a. Debt conversion.


Ah you've forgotten about the 14 million.


Eh? What's that got to do with Raj pulling on more debt?


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Where's he said he's going to call on more debt?


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Pooly_Imp wrote:
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Where is all the money coming from to pay all the additional staff who are going to be running Pools ?


From new cash injection.


a.k.a. Debt conversion.


Ah you've forgotten about the 14 million.


Eh? What's that got to do with Raj pulling on more debt?


Wait and see.

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Where's he said he's going to call on more debt?


He doesn't announce doing it.


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Oh right so you're just taking the opportunity to have another dig at him based on assumption?
Who's to say the new structure he's mentioned won't have new investors coming in to be part of it?


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Oh right so you're just taking the opportunity to have another dig at him based on assumption?
Who's to say the new structure he's mentioned won't have new investors coming in to be part of it?


No it's evident in the public accounts.

I don't know of anyone and can't imagine anyone that daft.


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The published accounts showed the debts had reduced though didn't they?


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Johnjo1 wrote:
Jamie - Craig Hignett took over from Moore and was sacked leaving Jones with a taskless situation which he made worse.


Well that’s half an account of what happened. Hignett assembled what looked like a promising squad for season 2016/17 but they underperformed as rumours about financial problems behind the scenes started flying about. Carroll, Nsiala and Laurent were flogged off against Higgy’s wishes and his role became untenable. Fat Dave came in along with a dodgy relationship with a player agent. The team couldn’t or wouldn’t play for the Big Headed Sausage Man and got themselves relegated - and the shit really hit the fan.


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The team that started our first season down can safely be described as having a good percentage of unemployable dross dumped on us by agents…. as immediately became evident at our first home game against Dover, some of the worst signings ever made by anybody at the Vic.
We were on a morbid road to failure from the off, with an iceberg on the horizon, even in August!

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Let’s not forget Ronnie Moore left Pools by mutual consent the following season 4 points above relegation so whilst he managed the great escape he couldn’t continue it in the following season after which Jones appointed eventually leaving and finally we were relegated

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You just won’t give up Snowy, at every opportunity you and only ever have a dig at me, give it a rest, live and let live.


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Jamie - Craig Hignett took over from Moore and was sacked leaving Jones with a taskless situation which he made worse.


Apologies Johnjo I misread the info on Wikipedia.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
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Let’s not forget Ronnie Moore left Pools by mutual consent the following season 4 points above relegation so whilst he managed the great escape he couldn’t continue it in the following season after which Jones appointed eventually leaving and finally we were relegated

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You just won’t give up Snowy, at every opportunity you and only ever have a dig at me, give it a rest, live and let live.

Whoa, you are the one who pops up and has a dig at Ronnie, raining on the parade, so don’t try playing the victim because a gentle Mick take offends your prickly sensibilities……

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Jamie1952 wrote:
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Jamie - Craig Hignett took over from Moore and was sacked leaving Jones with a taskless situation which he made worse.


Apologies Johnjo I misread the info on Wikipedia.


Jamie1952 are you also Jamie sctatchinghead


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The team that started our first season down can safely be described as having a good percentage of unemployable dross dumped on us by agents…. as immediately became evident at our first home game against Dover, some of the worst signings ever made by anybody at the Vic.
We were on a morbid road to failure from the off, with an iceberg on the horizon, even in August!

they were bad but not as bad as the team that started last season for me. we have had bad sides playing for us but that was another level of shite.


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Ronnie Moore is a likeable and passionate bloke but he was extremely lucky with that so called great escape season. We stayed up because we slightly less poor than Cheltenham and Tranmere who both imploded over the last couple of months rather than it being down to us improving. It seems to be forgotten that we lost four of our last five games.


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The team that started our first season down can safely be described as having a good percentage of unemployable dross dumped on us by agents…. as immediately became evident at our first home game against Dover, some of the worst signings ever made by anybody at the Vic.
We were on a morbid road to failure from the off, with an iceberg on the horizon, even in August!

they were bad but not as bad as the team that started last season for me. we have had bad sides playing for us but that was another level of shite.

I agree but I referring to another bad season, not comparing.

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all in all he,s just a chief scout and will be looking for the type of player that KP wants at the club and not him.


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