Will he Resign

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5378

accrington fan wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

Phillips said on Tees today the players were not fit enough, he was appointed mid January, why has it taken him this long to realise that ?

didn,t seem to be an issue though when we were winning and drawing games unless its mental and physical fitness he,s on about.

He also said none of the players had hit the levels that they're capable of - and therefore must have hit in other games. That's the sports science talking - maybe he should pay more attention to the players' body language? It was bloody awful after the third and fourth went in. Ok, the game has gone, but 1,300 who had travelled and paid good money still wanted to see some spirit and fight. We got nowt.

In my opinion there's a few who don't deserve another chance and should just be binned now. KP needs to realise his job is on the line and act accordingly.

waddell · **Joined:** Sat Oct 28, 2023 4:18 pm **Posts:** 321

Eiphos_3 wrote:

Pools need someone who knows how to run a club our size - when was the last time we actually had someone in the driving seat making all the right decisions to not just help us on on the recruitment front etc but also financially. we have all said many times the club could do more in XYZ and could make money by doing this an that...
Raj is a business man but he didnt make his money by been successful with football clubs, like we have all said before this is new ground to him still tbh and unless he has the right people around him who know how to run a club our size then hes pissing in the wind everytime. I could walk in with a few million but i damn sure would probs spunk it all on the wrong things etc.. its about knowing how football 'the business' works as well as the playing. This is what i think is a fundamental problem with Pools aswell. We need a good COO aswell as the staff below them with experience. Club Secretary - Accounts manager - contracts managers etc etc... All of these off field issues need to be bang on for a club to be a success no matter how much the benefactor has !

Wasn't that Auld Lens old job?
Club Football consultant?
And Old Bevos job before him?
Or Darren Kellys job too?
You cannot say Mr Singh has not recognised the issue and tried to do something about it.
https://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/news ... -director/

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36386

derwent wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

Phillips said on Tees today the players were not fit enough, he was appointed mid January, why has it taken him this long to realise that ?

didn,t seem to be an issue though when we were winning and drawing games unless its mental and physical fitness he,s on about.

Maybe he was referring to their fitness to wear the shirt.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 8916

Krampesh wrote:

I don’t think anyone is demanding for another IOR (although 2 very successful actors were turned down by Raj who likely would’ve had the same effect), they’re looking for some sort of plan. We lurch from summer to summer signing 20+ players and churning through managers, while clubs like Gateshead, Altrincham, Halifax and Bromley outcompete us on smaller budgets due to them having some form of identity. This comes from the top and is something Raj seems incapable or unwilling to implement. I’m very well aware that me saying that I want Raj to leave on a forum will not bring about any change but I like many others am allowed to express my opinion.

Bang on full assessment. :clap:

loyal_fan · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:15 pm **Posts:** 3689

Pre match interview has all the cliches dusted off

Eiphos_3 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:21 pm

waddell wrote:

Eiphos_3 wrote:

Pools need someone who knows how to run a club our size - when was the last time we actually had someone in the driving seat making all the right decisions to not just help us on on the recruitment front etc but also financially. we have all said many times the club could do more in XYZ and could make money by doing this an that...
Raj is a business man but he didnt make his money by been successful with football clubs, like we have all said before this is new ground to him still tbh and unless he has the right people around him who know how to run a club our size then hes pissing in the wind everytime. I could walk in with a few million but i damn sure would probs spunk it all on the wrong things etc.. its about knowing how football 'the business' works as well as the playing. This is what i think is a fundamental problem with Pools aswell. We need a good COO aswell as the staff below them with experience. Club Secretary - Accounts manager - contracts managers etc etc... All of these off field issues need to be bang on for a club to be a success no matter how much the benefactor has !

Wasn't that Aulds Lens job.
Club Football consultant?
And Old Bevos job before him?
Or Darren Kellys job too?
You cannot say Mr Singh has not recognised the issue and tried to do something about it.

It was Lens Job but again he was never a Director of Football was he ? at a club our size at least. Again bringing in the likes of Hobin whos had cash - staff - resources to deal with in previous posts and expecting him to do the same job here is why we have failed in off the field departments for me !

He has tried just again like managers never seems to get it right - surely someone with some knowledge of the backroom could give him some advice or let him know a suitable candidate. I think with the right structure behind the scenes its a massive step for us in the right direction regardless of Raj being the benefactor.

Daz Kelly i thought came across well and knew his job and what he had to do. What the club needed also. Probs helped us with the Sylla thing too. Shame he had to move on.
https://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/news ... -director/

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 8916

To many unnecessary job's/roles nowadays copied off the European n premiership shit.

Manager n assistant at our level with the Internet etc should be responsible for recruitment.
And a decent commercial manager who oversees well the full commercial side of the club.
Voluntery jobs for.
Groundsman n Stewards.
We ain't man city are we.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36386

kevin pooles gloves wrote:

To many unnecessary job's/roles nowadays copied off the European n premiership shit.

Manager n assistant at our level with the Internet etc should be responsible for recruitment.
And a decent commercial manager who oversees well the full commercial side of the club.
Voluntery jobs for.
Groundsman n Stewards.
We ain't man city are we.

Correct, they seem to be imitating the big clubs…and failing.
A cull of useless backroom staff is what’s needed.
I hate this ‘here’s your players, see what you can do with them’ …attitude.
Let the manager look for his own players.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

derwent wrote:

thebigdog wrote:

How many times have the same conversations taken place on this forum… at some point you’ve just got to laugh and think… there’s nowt you can do. Inherent and historic losers I’m afraid. We can analyse managers, players all we like. Been shite for time and until Raj does leave and something better comes along, get used to it. We love the club but my word, iconically bad that it’s brilliant!

For whatever reason, any good football manager or good footballer leaves us at the first chance of asking. That tells you all you need to know. Like I say, again, iconically bad that you have to say it’s brilliant :laugh:

[/quote

Well I've been supporting this club for 72 years and for the best part of that time I have been aware that there is really nothing I can do to change anything and that applies to the vast hordes of Poolies over the years. The ideal situation is for a born and bred Poolie to have enough cash to get hold of the club and run it with the right balance between his heart and his head. That hasn't happened as yet and probably never will but the chance increased remotely with the advent of the euromillions and that is a hope that we can cling to.
Recently some fans have had a go at the way the club is being run and demanded more investment or get out. Relentless attacks on anything and everything in order to achieve improvement. Has any of that worked ? NO. Has our position improved? NO. Have they managed to get rid of the owner? NO.
Mr Bigdog says "until Raj leaves and something better comes along get used to it." However taking that stance to some people on here is classed as capitulation, a lack of ambition, Raj loving tendencies, resignation to mediocrity etc etc, when in actual fact is simple recognition of the fact that no matter what hopes, dreams or expectancies we crave for, the harsh reality is that we have to rely on someone else achieving that for us. Owners, managers, players etc.
People mention the good years under IOR. Yes they were good but the inevitability was always there that it would end some day and it did. They didn't give us those good years because they loved the club, the Town or the supporters, It suited THEM to do what they did and our joy was a mere by product. It was unique and will probably never be repeated. How many other owners have we had that come anywhere near them ??? Owners appear at other clubs from time to time and splash a bit of cash but how long does it last??? The big exception is Gibson at the Boro but he is a fan and that makes a big difference. His stewardship is closing in on forty years and I can safely say that I have never met a more whinging bunch of supporters in my life. When I was a kid and they had Cloughie at centre forward they were a second tier outfit and that is what they are now. Our level has mainly been bottom EFL tier with the odd sojourn higher which got more regular under IOR and nearly made the championship. Now we are one league below our regular spot and every single one of us is dying to get back to regular third tier football but the elusive catalyst to get us there is unfortunately missing and until that changes there is nothing we supporters can do, other than do what we are good at. That is the reality. As for defending RAJ, who does that. Personally my only defensive concern is defending the bunker and you it's members. Believe me nobody on this planet wants change more than me but, on here, I have a job to do and I do it to the best of my ability and therefore must keep my gob under control. It's not easy I can assure you.

As always Derwent your doing a great job against all the odds and I for one really appreciate the difficult job you do.

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5378

loyal_fan wrote:

Pre match interview has all the cliches dusted off

Very disappointed he didn't sing it, tap it out in morse code or interpret his words through the medium of modern dance.

Apart from Clough and Shankly, they ALL talk in cliches.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2525

Krampesh wrote:

PTID wrote:

Agree, only the players can put things right or at least make a better fist of things tomorrow. Let's see who cares enough.

Just to put the Ryan Reynolds thing to bed, they did not make an offer at any point, when they assessed the potential clubs they were interested in we came a close 2nd to Wrexham. Wrexham pipped us due to their being no already sizeable clubs in the near vicinity whereas we have Boro, Sunderland, and Newcastle. This from the guy who was the Head of the assessment team, now COO at Wrexham.

So, one bid since the club was put up for sale shows how attractive we are as a purchase. I would presume Wrexham hadn't been inundated with offers too as they were very much in the doldrums when Holywood came knocking.

Just like to point out the COO of Wrexham would never come out and say ‘Hartlepool were first choice but…’. That would never go down well with the fan base of a club they own. People who broke the interest (including Jeff Stelling who had a meeting with them) in Pools well before Wrexham even had an offer put in for them by Reynolds etc said that Hartlepool were first choice and at least 1 offer was made.
Either way it doesn’t matter as it didn’t happen, I was merely using it as a point to show that some rich individuals do take an interest us

Spot on. It puts nothing 'to bed'.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2525

waddell wrote:

While we are at it can we also put the £14 million from that socially conscious investor to bed.
The investor who conveniently put not one penny into the solicitors proof of funds account.
I wonder why?
According to those lovely girls and boys at HUST that was just because they arrived late to the party.
Yeah ...right :liar:

"One of our members is a major international investment company with impressive, socially conscious projects under development in the North East. They approached the consortium as they wanted to be part of a partnership that can help to drive the club and town forward and showed us proof of £14 million which was available for investment. After discussions, the investment company said that they were confident of the ability of the existing consortium members to drive our club forward and joined.At this stage the other members of the consortium had already deposited close to £600,000 in a solicitor’s account. This money has remained there throughout negotiations."
https://www.hufcsupporterstrust.org.uk/ ... nuary-2024

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTOB-tkekEM

I trust fellow Poolies. I have more faith in them finding new legitimate owners than I have in Raj changing his deeply entrenched methods, humiliating our club and grinding it into the dirt.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

Leggie43 wrote:

derwent wrote:

thebigdog wrote:

How many times have the same conversations taken place on this forum… at some point you’ve just got to laugh and think… there’s nowt you can do. Inherent and historic losers I’m afraid. We can analyse managers, players all we like. Been shite for time and until Raj does leave and something better comes along, get used to it. We love the club but my word, iconically bad that it’s brilliant!

For whatever reason, any good football manager or good footballer leaves us at the first chance of asking. That tells you all you need to know. Like I say, again, iconically bad that you have to say it’s brilliant :laugh:

[/quote

Well I've been supporting this club for 72 years and for the best part of that time I have been aware that there is really nothing I can do to change anything and that applies to the vast hordes of Poolies over the years. The ideal situation is for a born and bred Poolie to have enough cash to get hold of the club and run it with the right balance between his heart and his head. That hasn't happened as yet and probably never will but the chance increased remotely with the advent of the euromillions and that is a hope that we can cling to.
Recently some fans have had a go at the way the club is being run and demanded more investment or get out. Relentless attacks on anything and everything in order to achieve improvement. Has any of that worked ? NO. Has our position improved? NO. Have they managed to get rid of the owner? NO.
Mr Bigdog says "until Raj leaves and something better comes along get used to it." However taking that stance to some people on here is classed as capitulation, a lack of ambition, Raj loving tendencies, resignation to mediocrity etc etc, when in actual fact is simple recognition of the fact that no matter what hopes, dreams or expectancies we crave for, the harsh reality is that we have to rely on someone else achieving that for us. Owners, managers, players etc.
People mention the good years under IOR. Yes they were good but the inevitability was always there that it would end some day and it did. They didn't give us those good years because they loved the club, the Town or the supporters, It suited THEM to do what they did and our joy was a mere by product. It was unique and will probably never be repeated. How many other owners have we had that come anywhere near them ??? Owners appear at other clubs from time to time and splash a bit of cash but how long does it last??? The big exception is Gibson at the Boro but he is a fan and that makes a big difference. His stewardship is closing in on forty years and I can safely say that I have never met a more whinging bunch of supporters in my life. When I was a kid and they had Cloughie at centre forward they were a second tier outfit and that is what they are now. Our level has mainly been bottom EFL tier with the odd sojourn higher which got more regular under IOR and nearly made the championship. Now we are one league below our regular spot and every single one of us is dying to get back to regular third tier football but the elusive catalyst to get us there is unfortunately missing and until that changes there is nothing we supporters can do, other than do what we are good at. That is the reality. As for defending RAJ, who does that. Personally my only defensive concern is defending the bunker and you it's members. Believe me nobody on this planet wants change more than me but, on here, I have a job to do and I do it to the best of my ability and therefore must keep my gob under control. It's not easy I can assure you.

As always Derwent your doing a great job against all the odds and I for one really appreciate the difficult job you do.

Cheers.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

Maybe you could put a strike system in place. For example a strike for any of us who overstep the mark and if we reach three strikes you get a month's ban or something.

It would at least get people to think before we type a message.

It's right that people should be able to criticise and have a say but some just keep repeating insult after insult to one another.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

[quote="Leggie43"]Maybe you could put a strike system in place. For example a strike for any of us who overstep the mark and if we reach three strikes you get a month's ban or something.

It would at least get people to think before we type a message.

It's right that people should be able to criticise and have a say but some just keep repeating insult after insult to one another.

[/quote

People are treat like adults and are expected to act like adults. It is worth remembering that this is a private forum set up and funded by a private individual. It is not a medium intended to be used by any individual to further any agendas they may have. Respect of the facility and it's fellow members is the basic principle. Surely we shouldn't have to be burdened down with a myriad of do's and don't's. Common sense should tell members when they are going overboard. Everyone's opinions are welcome unless those opinions are written to give offense to someone else. We don't want to get to a situation where every post is vetted before publication or we have to edit posts or even delete more than is necessary. The smooth running of this forum is the responsibility of all of us, not just me waving cards about like a besotted referee.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

derwent wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

Maybe you could put a strike system in place. For example a strike for any of us who overstep the mark and if we reach three strikes you get a month's ban or something.

It would at least get people to think before we type a message.

It's right that people should be able to criticise and have a say but some just keep repeating insult after insult to one another.

[/quote

People are treat like adults and are expected to act like adults. It is worth remembering that this is a private forum set up and funded by a private individual. It is not a medium intended to be used by any individual to further any agendas they may have. Respect of the facility and it's fellow members is the basic principle. Surely we shouldn't have to be burdened down with a myriad of do's and don't's. Common sense should tell members when they are going overboard. Everyone's opinions are welcome unless those opinions are written to give offense to someone else. We don't want to get to a situation where every post is vetted before publication or we have to edit posts or even delete more than is necessary. The smooth running of this forum is the responsibility of all of us, not just me waving cards about like a besotted referee.

Yeh makes sense Derwent

loyal_fan · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:15 pm **Posts:** 3689

derwent wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

Maybe you could put a strike system in place. For example a strike for any of us who overstep the mark and if we reach three strikes you get a month's ban or something.

It would at least get people to think before we type a message.

It's right that people should be able to criticise and have a say but some just keep repeating insult after insult to one another.

[/quote

People are treat like adults and are expected to act like adults. It is worth remembering that this is a private forum set up and funded by a private individual. It is not a medium intended to be used by any individual to further any agendas they may have. Respect of the facility and it's fellow members is the basic principle. Surely we shouldn't have to be burdened down with a myriad of do's and don't's. Common sense should tell members when they are going overboard. Everyone's opinions are welcome unless those opinions are written to give offense to someone else. We don't want to get to a situation where every post is vetted before publication or we have to edit posts or even delete more than is necessary. The smooth running of this forum is the responsibility of all of us, not just me waving cards about like a besotted referee.

Agree I think most people are reasonable , and when it does get into a ding dong it doesn’t last long and neither participant can claim to have been attacked in an unprovoked way (and yes I include myself in that) obviously threats or outright abuse is out of order but we don’t see too much of that.

Personally I know I am a bit of a kid when we lose, get so pissed off I want to comment about anyone who supports current manager etc but none of it is personal

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6675

derwent wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

Maybe you could put a strike system in place. For example a strike for any of us who overstep the mark and if we reach three strikes you get a month's ban or something.

It would at least get people to think before we type a message.

It's right that people should be able to criticise and have a say but some just keep repeating insult after insult to one another.

[/quote

People are treat like adults and are expected to act like adults. It is worth remembering that this is a private forum set up and funded by a private individual. It is not a medium intended to be used by any individual to further any agendas they may have. Respect of the facility and it's fellow members is the basic principle. Surely we shouldn't have to be burdened down with a myriad of do's and don't's. Common sense should tell members when they are going overboard. Everyone's opinions are welcome unless those opinions are written to give offense to someone else. We don't want to get to a situation where every post is vetted before publication or we have to edit posts or even delete more than is necessary. The smooth running of this forum is the responsibility of all of us, not just me waving cards about like a besotted referee.

OK i,ll report back to Raj and let him know, He won,t be pleased like. :laugh:

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6675

Flying Hogans wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

Pre match interview has all the cliches dusted off

Very disappointed he didn't sing it, tap it out in morse code or interpret his words through the medium of modern dance.

Apart from Clough and Shankly, they ALL talk in cliches.

Funny how cliches most always seem to be true.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

Grayhoundend wrote:

derwent wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

Maybe you could put a strike system in place. For example a strike for any of us who overstep the mark and if we reach three strikes you get a month's ban or something.

It would at least get people to think before we type a message.

It's right that people should be able to criticise and have a say but some just keep repeating insult after insult to one another.

[/quote

People are treat like adults and are expected to act like adults. It is worth remembering that this is a private forum set up and funded by a private individual. It is not a medium intended to be used by any individual to further any agendas they may have. Respect of the facility and it's fellow members is the basic principle. Surely we shouldn't have to be burdened down with a myriad of do's and don't's. Common sense should tell members when they are going overboard. Everyone's opinions are welcome unless those opinions are written to give offense to someone else. We don't want to get to a situation where every post is vetted before publication or we have to edit posts or even delete more than is necessary. The smooth running of this forum is the responsibility of all of us, not just me waving cards about like a besotted referee.

OK i,ll report back to Raj and let him know, He won,t be pleased like. :laugh:

He'll have to lump it then.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

loyal_fan wrote:

derwent wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

Maybe you could put a strike system in place. For example a strike for any of us who overstep the mark and if we reach three strikes you get a month's ban or something.

It would at least get people to think before we type a message.

It's right that people should be able to criticise and have a say but some just keep repeating insult after insult to one another.

[/quote

People are treat like adults and are expected to act like adults. It is worth remembering that this is a private forum set up and funded by a private individual. It is not a medium intended to be used by any individual to further any agendas they may have. Respect of the facility and it's fellow members is the basic principle. Surely we shouldn't have to be burdened down with a myriad of do's and don't's. Common sense should tell members when they are going overboard. Everyone's opinions are welcome unless those opinions are written to give offense to someone else. We don't want to get to a situation where every post is vetted before publication or we have to edit posts or even delete more than is necessary. The smooth running of this forum is the responsibility of all of us, not just me waving cards about like a besotted referee.

Agree I think most people are reasonable , and when it does get into a ding dong it doesn’t last long and neither participant can claim to have been attacked in an unprovoked way (and yes I include myself in that) obviously threats or outright abuse is out of order but we don’t see too much of that.

Personally I know I am a bit of a kid when we lose, get so pissed off I want to comment about anyone who supports current manager etc but none of it is personal

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36386

Never lose my temper over something as transient as football. Seen too many things in life I’d preferred not to have seen, so I find it best to take the piss out of life and football, the only sport that catches my attention. The rest are boring in my humble opinion, but we’re all different.
That’s why I have my dogs, they keep life simple and don’t ask for money. :laugh:

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18922

Snowy wrote:

Never lose my temper over something as transient as football. Seen too many things in life I’d preferred not to have seen, so I find it best to take the piss out of life and football, the only sport that catches my attention. The rest are boring in my humble opinion, but we’re all different.
That’s why I have my dogs, they keep life simple and don’t ask for money. :laugh:

same with me regarding dogs plus they never ask are we there yet but know when they are getting close to their final destination in the car even if they were asleep. when i come up its always the top of station road or around that flashing speed sign if i,m going up the headland. never fully lose my rag at games but was well known for doing it when i played both football and hockey plus had a good memory for faces once.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4375

Flying Hogans wrote:

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

. When neal cooper came in he wasnt scrambling round the scarboroughs and halifax and derby under 13s for players, he was allowed to sign decent players.

"derby under 13s" - what, like Dejaune Brown, the 18-year-old Gateshead signed on a Youth Loan from Derby in January? The kid who is keeping the Heed's top scorer out of their team and grabbed another couple of goals last night?

You'd have gone your ends if Pools had signed him. It took 8 substitute appearances before he got his first goal - just imagine the fun you'd have had with that

Signed a kid on a youth loan... a new low even for Raj, blah, blah, blah.

How come we sign garbage then? Were are all these good players in our side? Recruitment at our place is piss poor no one can defend that.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4375

Krampesh wrote:

I don’t think anyone is demanding for another IOR (although 2 very successful actors were turned down by Raj who likely would’ve had the same effect), they’re looking for some sort of plan. We lurch from summer to summer signing 20+ players and churning through managers, while clubs like Gateshead, Altrincham, Halifax and Bromley outcompete us on smaller budgets due to them having some form of identity. This comes from the top and is something Raj seems incapable or unwilling to implement. I’m very well aware that me saying that I want Raj to leave on a forum will not bring about any change but I like many others am allowed to express my opinion.

Spot on nailed it. How anyone can defend whats gone on last couple of years is beyond me.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36386

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

Krampesh wrote:

I don’t think anyone is demanding for another IOR (although 2 very successful actors were turned down by Raj who likely would’ve had the same effect), they’re looking for some sort of plan. We lurch from summer to summer signing 20+ players and churning through managers, while clubs like Gateshead, Altrincham, Halifax and Bromley outcompete us on smaller budgets due to them having some form of identity. This comes from the top and is something Raj seems incapable or unwilling to implement. I’m very well aware that me saying that I want Raj to leave on a forum will not bring about any change but I like many others am allowed to express my opinion.

Spot on nailed it. How anyone can defend whats gone on last couple of years is beyond me.

No one ‘defends’ what’s went on…. It was about hanging onto the wreckage to keep the boat afloat…it’s about being realistic till something comes up.
We know it could be better but what are people prepared to do in reality apart from complain and demand on line….we know where we are is not where I want to be, but give me a way ahead.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18922

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

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How come we sign garbage then? Were are all these good players in our side? Recruitment at our place is piss poor no one can defend that.

out of everything that is wrong at the club for me the worst thing is recruitment. it does not matter where a player actually comes from its their ability that matters.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6675

derwent wrote:

Grayhoundend wrote:

derwent wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

Maybe you could put a strike system in place. For example a strike for any of us who overstep the mark and if we reach three strikes you get a month's ban or something.

It would at least get people to think before we type a message.

It's right that people should be able to criticise and have a say but some just keep repeating insult after insult to one another.

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People are treat like adults and are expected to act like adults. It is worth remembering that this is a private forum set up and funded by a private individual. It is not a medium intended to be used by any individual to further any agendas they may have. Respect of the facility and it's fellow members is the basic principle. Surely we shouldn't have to be burdened down with a myriad of do's and don't's. Common sense should tell members when they are going overboard. Everyone's opinions are welcome unless those opinions are written to give offense to someone else. We don't want to get to a situation where every post is vetted before publication or we have to edit posts or even delete more than is necessary. The smooth running of this forum is the responsibility of all of us, not just me waving cards about like a besotted referee.

OK i,ll report back to Raj and let him know, He won,t be pleased like. :laugh:

He'll have to lump it then.

Aye, Just like us. :angry-tappingfoot:

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36386

accrington fan wrote:

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

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How come we sign garbage then? Were are all these good players in our side? Recruitment at our place is piss poor no one can defend that.

out of everything that is wrong at the club for me the worst thing is recruitment. it does not matter where a player actually comes from its their ability that matters.

We’re not prepared to take a chance and anyone without a decent league record is dismissed as not suitable for us….. that’s one big drawback.

Krampesh · **Joined:** Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:14 am **Posts:** 586

accrington fan wrote:

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

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How come we sign garbage then? Were are all these good players in our side? Recruitment at our place is piss poor no one can defend that.

out of everything that is wrong at the club for me the worst thing is recruitment. it does not matter where a player actually comes from its their ability that matters.

Bang on Accrington. When was the last time we had a kid on loan that improved from when we brought him in? Clubs look at things like this when deciding where to send players. Gateshead have players on loan from Derby, Cardiff, Fleetwood, Crawley etc because they know they’ll go there and improve playing a very specific style of football. Why would they send them to Hartlepool when they don’t know how they’ll fit into the side, if the style of play will suit the ability of their player or if they’ll even play/improve. This is probably a big problem impacting our recruitment and is why we only seem to get the dregs.
Even putting Raj aside for the moment Joe Monks needs to step up and ensure we are a side that clubs want to send players to.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18922

would pools have taken a punt on dean windass,s lad josh when he was playing right down the pyramid at harrogate railway and half of the crawley side near to the div.2 play offs from a league 2 or 3 divisions below where they now are. we all know the answer but if a kid has a premier league acadamy on their CV they,d be all over him with us expcting something that never seems to exist in any of them. these players are sent to clubs for the benefit of their parent club and not for ours.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36386

accrington fan wrote:

would pools have taken a punt on dean windass,s lad josh when he was playing right down the pyramid at harrogate railway and half of the crawley side near to the div.2 play offs from a league 2 or 3 divisions below where they now are. we all know the answer but if a kid has a premier league acadamy on their CV they,d be all over him with us expcting something that never seems to exist in any of them. these players are sent to clubs for the benefit of their parent club and not for ours.

The Premier League academy fodder are a waste of time when they realise they’ve been pampered. They nearly always disappoint.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18922

Snowy wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

would pools have taken a punt on dean windass,s lad josh when he was playing right down the pyramid at harrogate railway and half of the crawley side near to the div.2 play offs from a league 2 or 3 divisions below where they now are. we all know the answer but if a kid has a premier league acadamy on their CV they,d be all over him with us expcting something that never seems to exist in any of them. these players are sent to clubs for the benefit of their parent club and not for ours.

The Premier League academy fodder are a waste of time when they realise they’ve been pampered. They nearly always disappoint.

worst thing is they all look as if they have come from the same sausage factory now, but ours look a real catering one and not a prime lincolshire version.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 8916

accrington fan wrote:

would pools have taken a punt on dean windass,s lad josh when he was playing right down the pyramid at harrogate railway and half of the crawley side near to the div.2 play offs from a league 2 or 3 divisions below where they now are. we all know the answer but if a kid has a premier league acadamy on their CV they,d be all over him with us expcting something that never seems to exist in any of them. these players are sent to clubs for the benefit of their parent club and not for ours.

Don't forget Dean Gibb from Brandon Town who said he had hopes of playing for England in the 1990 world cup.
Looking forward to the Darts tomorrow footballs shit.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36386

kevin pooles gloves wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

would pools have taken a punt on dean windass,s lad josh when he was playing right down the pyramid at harrogate railway and half of the crawley side near to the div.2 play offs from a league 2 or 3 divisions below where they now are. we all know the answer but if a kid has a premier league acadamy on their CV they,d be all over him with us expcting something that never seems to exist in any of them. these players are sent to clubs for the benefit of their parent club and not for ours.

Don't forget Dean Gibb from Brandon Town who said he had hopes of playing for England in the 1990 world cup.
Looking forward to the Darts tomorrow footballs shit.

It ain’t shit if you win 1-0.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7065

Negotiations ongoing for new contract, looks like he was only contracted till the end of the season.
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/ ... on-4590312

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36386

Whether he’s worthy of a new contract or not, this should have been sorted out weeks ago…. as should preparations have been for next season.
We are going into the close season with no one behind the wheel so to speak and wasting time in one of the most important times of the year despite there being no games being played…we should have already started laying down next years squads foundations but we’re in limbo whistling in the wind.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3919

Totally agree, how can we even sort out the retained list without a manager in place?

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18922

PTID wrote:

Totally agree, how can we even sort out the retained list without a manager in place?

or sign players early before we are left with the dross to sign by the time another new bloke walks through the door even if they are currently employed by the club.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 8916

Snowy wrote:

Whether he’s worthy of a new contract or not, this should have been sorted out weeks ago…. as should preparations have been for next season.
We are going into the close season with no one behind the wheel so to speak and wasting time in one of the most important times of the year despite there being no games being played…we should have already started laying down next years squads foundations but we’re in limbo whistling in the wind.

Keep the Faith Snowy.
UTP.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36386

kevin pooles gloves wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Whether he’s worthy of a new contract or not, this should have been sorted out weeks ago…. as should preparations have been for next season.
We are going into the close season with no one behind the wheel so to speak and wasting time in one of the most important times of the year despite there being no games being played…we should have already started laying down next years squads foundations but we’re in limbo whistling in the wind.

Keep the Faith Snowy.
UTP.

It pisses me off because it’s rank bad planning and that’s how we got ourselves on this mess in the first place.
Planning for next season should have been the number 1 priority and began with Phillips arrival, as I naively assumed that was the start of planning for next season, then he has time to assess what he’s got and work out who’s going, but it turns out it wasn’t, so we’ve lost valuable time and opportunities yet again.
Why can’t these priorities be sorted out instead of wasting time on unnecessary board room politics…..anyone joining the board should have cash, fan representatives are window dressing and mere tokenism, unless of course they’re loaded and they want to invest in the club, the rest is bollox, their input irrelevant and having no weight in affairs, just a bystander.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

He did say he was committed to the club and a deal was very close, so it should be imminent and, as others have said, so it should be. Mind you these things are never straightforward and it could have started some time ago. I wonder if he uses an agent.
As usual we can speculate till the cows come home but it normally amounts to the old wait and see.
Close season must be a nightmare for recruitment, what with players on holiday, others stalling to see if anything better comes along, agents putting their oar in, current players out of contract stalling on offers or seeing if better offers emerge etc etc. It's not as straightforward as we would like it to be.
What we should know for definite is the list of players who we are going to show the door.
It's easy for us as we are focussed on supporting our club but the playing staff are focussed on their careers and supporting their family. Not only have they got to sort their moves out with clubs and agents but also have to convince their families that moving to another area, that could be miles away, is the right thing to do.
KP has a lot of work to do and hopefully he gets it right but let's not underestimate the task. It's not just tweaking the side in his case, it's virtually recruiting en masse.
Good luck with that, Kev.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18922

derwent wrote:

He did say he was committed to the club and a deal was very close, so it should be imminent and, as others have said, so it should be. Mind you these things are never straightforward and it could have started some time ago. I wonder if he uses an agent.
As usual we can speculate till the cows come home but it normally amounts to the old wait and see.
Close season must be a nightmare for recruitment, what with players on holiday, others stalling to see if anything better comes along, agents putting their oar in, current players out of contract stalling on offers or seeing if better offers emerge etc etc. It's not as straightforward as we would like it to be.
What we should know for definite is the list of players who we are going to show the door.
It's easy for us as we are focussed on supporting our club but the playing staff are focussed on their careers and supporting their family. Not only have they got to sort their moves out with clubs and agents but also have to convince their families that moving to another area, that could be miles away, is the right thing to do.
KP has a lot of work to do and hopefully he gets it right but let's not underestimate the task. It's not just tweaking the side in his case, it's virtually recruiting en masse.
Good luck with that, Kev.

hope thats not going to be the case and another excuse being used for another poor season. think most fans will agree on what the clubs needs and know of the few strong points we have around already.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

Snowy wrote:

Whether he’s worthy of a new contract or not, this should have been sorted out weeks ago…. as should preparations have been for next season.
We are going into the close season with no one behind the wheel so to speak and wasting time in one of the most important times of the year despite there being no games being played…we should have already started laying down next years squads foundations but we’re in limbo whistling in the wind.

For reasons only he knows Raj seems to want things to be in a mess this time of the year

Hope to hell he is not planning ANOTHER look for a new manager over 2 / 3 months pre season to prevent a manager spending a budget on proper players. banghead

therefore leaving the dross to pick from on LOW WAGES keeping within another small budget for a big club. If this drags on over KP I am totally done with this crap badly run " micky mouse " so called professional football club. banghead

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7065

derwent wrote:

He did say he was committed to the club and a deal was very close, so it should be imminent and, as others have said, so it should be. Mind you these things are never straightforward and it could have started some time ago. I wonder if he uses an agent.
As usual we can speculate till the cows come home but it normally amounts to the old wait and see.
Close season must be a nightmare for recruitment, what with players on holiday, others stalling to see if anything better comes along, agents putting their oar in, current players out of contract stalling on offers or seeing if better offers emerge etc etc. It's not as straightforward as we would like it to be.
What we should know for definite is the list of players who we are going to show the door.
It's easy for us as we are focussed on supporting our club but the playing staff are focussed on their careers and supporting their family. Not only have they got to sort their moves out with clubs and agents but also have to convince their families that moving to another area, that could be miles away, is the right thing to do.
KP has a lot of work to do and hopefully he gets it right but let's not underestimate the task. It's not just tweaking the side in his case, it's virtually recruiting en masse.
Good luck with that, Kev.

Challinor was committed to Pools signing a long term contract till some one come along and made a better offer,, football is mercenary

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18922

fans just aint going to swallow any reasons this time for a new manager being appointed after the seasons just a bad memory even if challinor was to return. not saying KP is the best we have ever had but is far better than anyone else who gets the job say at the end of may.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18922

Jamie1952 wrote:

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Challinor was committed to Pools signing a long term contract till some one come along and made a better offer,, football is mercenary

and why shouldn,t he have not done what he did. if he hadn,t he might have gone the way of spike lee a few months later and back in football somewhere in our league.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18922

think there could be a poolie meltdown if KP drags his heels and walks leaving us in a bigger mess than the ones we have been in.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4375

accrington fan wrote:

think there could be a poolie meltdown if KP drags his heels and walks leaving us in a bigger mess than the ones we have been in.

Same old problems excuses every pre season, messing about with contracts for managers, personally im not convinced by phillips but if he is going to be our manager it should of been sorted a while back.

loyal_fan · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:15 pm **Posts:** 3689

Get rid if he’s not contracted but replace him asap no ‘process’ or fannying around

I’d go widdrington and Watson in that order

Will he Resign

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