not justgive em a game but beat them. still remember us blowing chesterfield away till mancini got injured just days after we lost dodds for the season then the rest after has been just a bad dream where we occasionally woke up.

It was disappointing yesterday but we had to shuffle the pack with injuries and suspension. From two games ago against alty we virtually had a different back 4 after 15 mins. With a fully fit side we would give anyone a game but I've never known so many injuries in a season.

With a fully fit side Mani O would have been on the bench.
That's another goal we would not have conceded yesterday.
Lack of concentration, stupidity, poor decision making, being a proper fanny call it what you want
Always always an accident waiting to happen.
A failure at Scunny and now we have him.
Only another year of his 2 year contract left.
FFS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJTNOukWuG4.... 1.30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtwP3VtOJBw..... 1.54

He's not a player who fills you with confidence and his decision making is questionable, like yesterdays stupid foul.

Exactly.
Timid Timi mark 2 mate pure and simple.
Here's hopin KP can encourage him to ship out on the basis he will not be a regular next season though tbh I very much doubt it.
Who would take him?
Maybe a loan out to a lower league club but he would have to agree.
Another Dolan robbin a wage for the next year more than likely.

Look forward to this strength in depth arriving soon, ita only been 2 and a half year without it. Lets not count our chickens just yet a couple more defeats and we might still have the odd problem on our hands.

I think everyone would look forward to a strength in depth scenario but that doesn't guarantee it will happen. Getting the sort of standard of player that you seem to want is not easy if that player looks at our squad and thinks to himself that getting regular game time could be difficult. Whereas having strength in depth is extremely ideal and desirable, achieving it is not as easy as some might think. It is a very desirable target to have nevertheless. You have to be able to afford it for a start. Our current situation is screaming out for it but...................

We all know we need better players and strength in depth, but wholesale change isn't going to happen until the summer.
We'd all like it to be sooner but most accept that it won't happen so why keep harping on about the last 2 and a half years? They're gone a d behind us along with some if the key causes, what's important is the future - the last games of this season and the close season. Nothing can change what's happened and where we are today but let's give the new guys a chance to put things right.

Few teams
Below us play twice before we do again, lose to
Maidenhead and a good chance they will be above us , which is a disgrace really….squeaky bum time

Win and they won't. What is your point?

That we aren’t out of the woods fully yet relegation wise and we are more likely to get relegated than get in the playoffs

Some people get ‘aroused’ by things going wrong, a sort of embracing of masochism.

All well and good. We should not expect it sooner as it ainr practical. We absolutely should give KP a chance to get things right on the pitch and to convince the owner to allow the right signings. But....

1. The key cause of the last couple of years is very much still with us. He might change though and we can give him the chance.

2. This period saw the most dismal lows that the club has ever EVER experienced.

In light of that, you can't knock anyone who gives a toss about the club being cynical.

And some get more aroused forever bringing it up.

Wot, me dinner….?

Proper fans get pissed off with why n were we are now.
The unambitious cranks pass it off as dummyoutness.
Probably get a bite like.

Its all about the wages we will pay if you sign a player who will be just a decent squad player. do not think the average player today has that mentality of getting stuck into training, doing the extra on their own and take their opportunity when its offered to them. there does not seem to be the utility players around who can play decently in a few different positions also. then at times managers do not help by insisting on a certain starting 11 when its available and drop thereplacements no matter how they performed for their favoured ones.

Proper fans support the club through thick and thin.
Ambition is simply a desire or wishfulness, we all want us to do better- although some in here are far more noticeable and seemingly happiest when we struggle.
We are where we are now because we've had godawful players and managers unable to get a tune out of them. Having said that, where we are now is better than where we were 6 or 7 ga.es ago, so hopefully the downward spiral has been halted time will tell.

Yes they do. Doesn't mean outside the Vic you have to don the old rose tints.

If you think we are where we are just because of a manager then you're naive. How do you think we end up with these wrong managers andcwrong players? Buck stops at the top especially in such a small organisation like HUFC.

Almost every one in the pub faceto face will agree.
To many tee totallers on here like just happy for this underwhelming to never end.
We got no patience now.

According to the commentary on the highlights the attendance was 4700 + that’s a great crowd.
Their first goal why did Dixon dive to try and save it, it trickled in, he could have run along the line to save and stuck a leg out. Second one for me he took his eye off the ball expecting a cross, was it a misplaced cross or a genuine attempt on goal ?

I think he meant it alright - was definitely worth a shot when the Pools 'wall' was the smallest man on the pitch He had a perfect view of the top left hand corner of the goal.

The buck with most football clubs stops with the manager. How often have you ever seen a struggling club do anything other than change manager or bring in new players?
Try taking a look at the hierarchy and structure of most football clubs at professional at professional level and you'll see the massive gap between Chairman and what happens on the pitch. Please don't revert to the old penny pi ching / cheapskate chairman argument when you know as much as me about the finances of the club.

I felt sorry for Lacey coming on having not played since October there is no way he could be match fit.Also why take other teams young player on loan when we have the like of Stephenson and Burton who we could play and develop for next season especially as the play off seem unachievable now.

Lacey's been taking a wage all season and will likely be gone this summer - why shouldn't he play 65 minutes of a game when we need him? He did ok.

Lacey did exceptionally well given it was his first start in months and against a very physical side.
Based on his track record he'll likely be out for the season now with a pulled shoelace or something. Definitely be shown the door, supposedly one of the highest earners at the club and the lowest minutes we get out of him.

Just because managers get the sack it doesn't mean they are to blame. Owners can't sack themselves. Lets face it, if there was someone above Raj in the hierarchy, he would have had his P45 ages ago.

So if Raj decided to up our budget, brought in staff from higher divisions and gave them millions to spend, that would not directly affect what happened on the pitch? Or if Raj decided to halve our budget? Would that affect what happened on the pitch? Or if he threatened to stop funding us altogether.... nah that last one is a bit far fetched, surely nobody could be that much of a numpty could they?

You just can't accept it can you? How much was the budget last season, this season,and what will it be next season? None of us know so to keep blaming the budget is absolutely ridiculous. One thing we do know is that Halifax couldn't compete with us for Mani D so we must be paying more than them. York should be running away with Chesterfield based on money invested.
If football success was directly related to spend it wouldn't be a sport any
ore, games could be played on paper. There'd be no Jamie Vardys ever coming through. You wouldn't need coaches or managers because the chairman could just sign the most expensive players and let them get on with it
The 2 biggest spenders in the PL at
re Chelsea and Man Utd yet Liverpool and City spend less and win more - wonder why that is? What it isn't is big spending chairmen is it.

Financially outmuscled the mighty Fc Halifax Town. My word what a time to be alive.

You dont need to see the books to know how we stand budget wise. The evidence is on that pitch every week. You yourself mentioned Chesterfield and York. You've seen their books then?

So we could get into the premier league with our budget then? Because budget doesnt matter right? We just need the right manager? Blimey a massive hugely influential decision to make there then. I wonder who gets to make that?

The only way we'd know anything about budgets is if we could see players salaries, performances don't equate to wages. I haven't seen them and neither have you.

I said if it's all about money then York would be challenging Chesterfield - it's not all about money though and I thought I'd explained that argument nice and clearly enough for most to understand.

The bottom line is that lots of things need to align for success at any football club - the right players, the right manager and coaches, refereeing decisions, injuries, suspensions, to name a few. Money helps but it isn't the be all and end all - Leicester wouldn't have won the PL if it was, Chelsea and Man Utd would be top 2 every season if it was.

As for choosing a manager, how many have big spending Chelsea gone through in their quest for success - a World Cup winning manager lasted about 8 months. Managers and players are people, not machines, they work at some clubs but not at others.

I haven't seen any clubs books, but it's widely reported that Chesterfield are big spenders - but they've taken their time getting it right. Let's see what happens over the next 9 months or so shall we?

On the subject of the influence of managers, Phil Brown has transformed the fortunes of Kiddiminster. They still have work to do but they were dead and buried when he walked through the door.

Surely not, no sugar daddy just bought in and spent millions?

Phill Brown Nose... hates anything Hartlepool United including the supporters Ozzy. He may have done well at Kiddy but I will never ever forgive the tosser for the way he slagged off Hartlepool United and our supporters at a pissed up fans talk in at Bolton back in the early 80s. I was working in a place called Little Lever 2 miles from Burnden Park and my mate a Bolton fan invited me to go along to listen to ex poolie player Brown. Anyone who had a question could simply write it down or you could ask directly. Since I was a Poolie in Bolton I decided to write it down. I asked if he had enjoyed his time at the club his made his debut at. He laughed and said don't really want to talk about that time or that club. Laughed yet again then said " it was a torrid time at Hartlepool " I started at 17 and had no choice but to be the man around a soft dressing room full of players with little skill and even less ambition. He explained that he became captain and union representative and encouraged the players to go on strike. He then went on to attack the most ungrateful supporters in football who he said had blamed him for everything negative but never anything positive. I then stood up and said " I am a Poolie and you have just told these Bolton fans a total lie to big yourself up " His face went bight red he mumbled at little and then said " two sides to every storey in football, the supporters don't have a clue what really goes on ". I asked if we could have a chat afterwards and he agreed but guess what he done a runner. The lad I worked with even said he is obnoxious and up his own arse. Look at how he behaved at Hull City the man is a total wanker.

This strength in depth quotes is Secondary.
Let's try n get the first 11ish sorted otherwise nothing will change for the better.
UTP.

And this rose tinted false hope.
Is there a time scale.End of next season or Octoberish is reasonableish

Ish Ish hey.

Thing is, if he’s that good what’s he doing at Kidderminster.

I dont doubt anything you say and I wasn't trying to "big up" Brown. Just making the point that the right manager can make a big difference to a club. It is not always about money though money helps.

Not claiming he is a genius, just making the point that the right type of manager can make a huge difference to a club, its not just about money.

It's nowt against you Ozzy it's just the bloke is mega ungrateful and disrespectful to the club who give him his chance in football.

Don’t take it personal mate, but like Leggie, that perma tanned ego on legs annoyed me too.

pools since the exit of challinor and before have tried rookies, those with a varied experiance but still no better than they have been for years. without the ior money we,d have struggled back then. yes you need the right manager but one who can work well with the budget available. some of them need money whilst others just cannot. even the great brian clough made his main mistakes when he splashed the cash.

But look what he did with players signed from lower Leagues and other teams cast offs - the likes of McGovern, Larry Lloyd, Kenny Burns, John Robertson, to name a few.
Most new managers need time and a helping of luck, look at how long Ferguson took to win something (reputedly 1 game away from the sack) but then going to be the most successful manager in English football history.
It's hard for some to understand but the longer term damage done by the time it took to appoint Hartley and then his wholesale awarding of 2 year contracts to piss poor players is still hurting us and will do until June 30th.

others might think differently but for me hartley was the biggest disaster ever to happen at pools. made harrison and his side look better than it was which i thought i,d never say.

To wait 6 weeks then bring that muppet in Hartley was piss poor due diligence.
Then reward anutha muppet who took us out the league with a 3 year contract stating he was better than DC.
But the problem was the pesky advisors n even keyboard warriors.
Well Aye.
Fact defused by excuses

It was gamble like Neal Cooper who had only ever managed a lower tier Scottish Football club was out of work when he was appointed manager. Hartley biggest mistake which might have been down to the budget tried to recruit players on the cheap which was obviously a disaster.

Martin Scott was on par with Hartley and Harrison, play offs then relegated the following season after signing his Sunderland mates.

Exactly, you need the right manage that fits within the ethos/culture of the club. I recall David Moyes who had success at Everon going to Man U when Ferguson retired and not succeeding despite having money. Cloughie went to Leeds and didnt last long. Sparky Hughes couldnt bring success to Bradford City.

Yep, you are a Poolie so that makes you my brother (unlucky you). We all suffer or celebrate together.

I have some sympathy for Harrison because surely those players weren’t his signings, but were dumped on him from above by the owner/owners…..he was the fall guy to me.