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accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19492

Snowy wrote:

ToTheHartlepool2-0 wrote:

Obama didn't like the UK much did he?

That’s putting it mildly, just like Uncle Joe, the man who praises his Irish ‘roots’ but turns out most of his ancestors had English roots.
Now that’s a politician at work.

a bit like those here that love to celebrate paddy,s day but ignore st.georges day.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37204

accrington fan wrote:

Snowy wrote:

ToTheHartlepool2-0 wrote:

Obama didn't like the UK much did he?

That’s putting it mildly, just like Uncle Joe, the man who praises his Irish ‘roots’ but turns out most of his ancestors had English roots.
Now that’s a politician at work.

a bit like those here that love to celebrate paddy,s day but ignore st.georges day.

I tnink it’s an English thing were most people don’t really want to make a fuss over it…whereas the Scot’s, Irish and Welsh are a bit more nationslistic tub thumpers.
Plus, it always boils down basically to getting blotto.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19492

Snowy wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

Snowy wrote:

ToTheHartlepool2-0 wrote:

Obama didn't like the UK much did he?

That’s putting it mildly, just like Uncle Joe, the man who praises his Irish ‘roots’ but turns out most of his ancestors had English roots.
Now that’s a politician at work.

a bit like those here that love to celebrate paddy,s day but ignore st.georges day.

I tnink it’s an English thing were most people don’t really want to make a fuss over it…whereas the Scot’s, Irish and Welsh are a bit more nationslistic tub thumpers.
Plus, it always boils down basically to getting blotto.

or the shit thrown at our way if you fly the st.georges flag as if you were right of a partly like the EDL. nobody gives a shit if you fly any other flag now unless it is the star of david, the george cross or even the union flag. imagine how this would go down in the land of the free if they were treat the same flying the stars and stripes.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7330

Snowy wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

Snowy wrote:

ToTheHartlepool2-0 wrote:

Obama didn't like the UK much did he?

That’s putting it mildly, just like Uncle Joe, the man who praises his Irish ‘roots’ but turns out most of his ancestors had English roots.
Now that’s a politician at work.

a bit like those here that love to celebrate paddy,s day but ignore st.georges day.

I tnink it’s an English thing were most people don’t really want to make a fuss over it…whereas the Scot’s, Irish and Welsh are a bit more nationslistic tub thumpers.
Plus, it always boils down basically to getting blotto.

The only time the English become nationalistic is when England are playing in a football tournament. Shops sell out of England shirts, flags are flying from cars etc.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37204

Jamie1952 wrote:

Snowy wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

Snowy wrote:

ToTheHartlepool2-0 wrote:

Obama didn't like the UK much did he?

That’s putting it mildly, just like Uncle Joe, the man who praises his Irish ‘roots’ but turns out most of his ancestors had English roots.
Now that’s a politician at work.

a bit like those here that love to celebrate paddy,s day but ignore st.georges day.

I tnink it’s an English thing were most people don’t really want to make a fuss over it…whereas the Scot’s, Irish and Welsh are a bit more nationslistic tub thumpers.
Plus, it always boils down basically to getting blotto.

The only time the English become nationalistic is when England are playing in a football tournament. Shops sell out of England shirts, flags are flying from cars etc.

The thing about the Scots, Irish and Welsh is they’re competing in the tallest dwarf competition as we outnumber them all by 10 to 1 in numbers.

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3750

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

Yes we don't have it thank God but military experts are saying our forces are pitifully short on numbers, are vulnerable as a nation should we be dragged into a conflict also asking how can we attract young people to join the armed forces in this day and age. Maybe offer certain low risk criminals the option of 2/3 years in the forces as opposed to 7/8 years in prison?

No one does 7/8 yrs in prison these days unless it is for murder. Whatever sentence is handed down is automatically halved and then reduced further by good behaviour. Most crims would prefer a couple of years dossing in prison than having to endure physical training and risking being shot at in the event of conflict.

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3750

Pooly_Imp wrote:

There is a dwindling number of young people who could put up with having to do as they are told.

Indeed, our blue haired non binary types would have mutiple mental health breakdows and be invalided out with a massive compensation package if subjected to military discipline.

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3750

Jamie1952 wrote:

You could make a law if someone who is fit and healthy and keeps turning job offers down and doesn't make a concerted effort to find work will be conscripted.

Is there any research to support the idea that lazy scrounging bastards make good soldiers? Are the armed forces that desperate?

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3750

ZNB12 wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

You could make a law if someone who is fit and healthy and keeps turning job offers down and doesn't make a concerted effort to find work will be conscripted.

That be against their Human Rights to fight for King and Country... They are entitled to be lazy and live off the state after being jobless for about 15 years.... :laugh:

Yep. They are "vulnerable". Innit.

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3514

Leggie43 wrote:

At the end of the day they are all working for one side or the other and both sides are bad both sides fighting for ultimate power. But I personally would rather have Trump in power than any others. He is sort of a good bad but better option.

And there wouldn't be a topic about conscription if he was in power..who cares if he wears eyeliner and dyes his hair

.I want to see more of US carriers bossing and policing the world's shipping lanes..God bless America.!!

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37204

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

Yes we don't have it thank God but military experts are saying our forces are pitifully short on numbers, are vulnerable as a nation should we be dragged into a conflict also asking how can we attract young people to join the armed forces in this day and age. Maybe offer certain low risk criminals the option of 2/3 years in the forces as opposed to 7/8 years in prison?

No one does 7/8 yrs in prison these days unless it is for murder. Whatever sentence is handed down is automatically halved and then reduced further by good behaviour. Most crims would prefer a couple of years dossing in prison than having to endure physical training and risking being shot at in the event of conflict.

When Capital Punishment was abolished (which I agree with) it was said that life would mean life……which I definitely agree with….. but then we discovered life meant no such thing.
We have the ludicrous state of affairs now where sentences are halved so a 20:year sentence in reality is a five year sentence… so, how about a ten year sentence is a ten year sentence and if you’re a bad boy you serve even longer. :angry-tappingfoot:

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2725

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

You could make a law if someone who is fit and healthy and keeps turning job offers down and doesn't make a concerted effort to find work will be conscripted.

Is there any research to support the idea that lazy scrounging bastards make good soldiers? Are the armed forces that desperate?

The Russians use such troops in a very specific way. Very brutal but not entirely ineffective.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37204

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

You could make a law if someone who is fit and healthy and keeps turning job offers down and doesn't make a concerted effort to find work will be conscripted.

Is there any research to support the idea that lazy scrounging bastards make good soldiers? Are the armed forces that desperate?

The Russians use such troops in a very specific way. Very brutal but not entirely ineffective.

Read several books on the subject re Warsaw Pact forces (now long gone) but numbers/boots on the ground are useful, even if not front line material.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2725

Snowy wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

You could make a law if someone who is fit and healthy and keeps turning job offers down and doesn't make a concerted effort to find work will be conscripted.

Is there any research to support the idea that lazy scrounging bastards make good soldiers? Are the armed forces that desperate?

The Russians use such troops in a very specific way. Very brutal but not entirely ineffective.

Read several books on the subject re Warsaw Pact forces (now long gone) but numbers/boots on the ground are useful, even if not front line material.

Front line material? Seems the Russians gauge that in a very different way. The term 'meat wave' has been coined in Ukraine.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37204

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

You could make a law if someone who is fit and healthy and keeps turning job offers down and doesn't make a concerted effort to find work will be conscripted.

Is there any research to support the idea that lazy scrounging bastards make good soldiers? Are the armed forces that desperate?

The Russians use such troops in a very specific way. Very brutal but not entirely ineffective.

Read several books on the subject re Warsaw Pact forces (now long gone) but numbers/boots on the ground are useful, even if not front line material.

Front line material? Seems the Russians gauge that in a very different way. The term 'meat wave' has been coined in Ukraine.

They do have their good troops but not in great numbers, they won’t be wasting them in Ukraine, but to be honest seeing the trouble they’re having in Ukraine they’re a danger to themselves…I also suspect their soldiers are reluctant soldiers.

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3750

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

You could make a law if someone who is fit and healthy and keeps turning job offers down and doesn't make a concerted effort to find work will be conscripted.

Is there any research to support the idea that lazy scrounging bastards make good soldiers? Are the armed forces that desperate?

The Russians use such troops in a very specific way. Very brutal but not entirely ineffective.

When a country is a dictatorship, it is perfectly possible to treat human life with scant regard hence the "meat wave" tactics. This tactic was used in WWII, with the Red Army having eye watering casualty figures compared to the Western Allies. In a democracy the "meat wave" strategy would never be allowed. Imagine the Guardian and the rest of the mainstream media if we started using the battlefield tactics Putin uses? Nope, we are a liberal democracy so if one want to spend a lifetime on benefits and casual criminalty one can do so very easily.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19492

Snowy wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

The Russians use such troops in a very specific way. Very brutal but not entirely ineffective.

Read several books on the subject re Warsaw Pact forces (now long gone) but numbers/boots on the ground are useful, even if not front line material.

Front line material? Seems the Russians gauge that in a very different way. The term 'meat wave' has been coined in Ukraine.[/quote]
They do have their good troops but not in great numbers, they won’t be wasting them in Ukraine, but to be honest seeing the trouble they’re having in Ukraine they’re a danger to themselves…I also suspect their soldiers are reluctant soldiers.[/quote]
thats the difference in someone who wants to do the job against someone forced to do it especially in todays world.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7330

Russian elections coining up looks like Putin will win for some unknown reason, of course no one dare stand against him !

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37204

Jamie1952 wrote:

Russian elections coining up looks like Putin will win for some unknown reason, of course no one dare stand against him !

I can see the election results now…

District of Moscow East 45, Election Result
Population 43,328
Raz Putin … Democratic KGB Despots……………..2,428,564.

Jeff Stalin….Communist Party.…………………0

Groucho Marx… Tea Party…………………………3

Len Lenin…………People’s Party………………….999

Poolskie Kev……..The Raj Party………………….Offer rejected.

Raz Zputin is therefore duly elected as the ..blah, blah and blah

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7330

Snowy wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

Russian elections coining up looks like Putin will win for some unknown reason, of course no one dare stand against him !

I can see the election results now…

District of Moscow East 45, Election Result
Population 43,328
Raz Putin … Democratic KGB Despots……………..2,428,564.

Jeff Stalin….Communist Party.…………………0

Groucho Marx… Tea Party…………………………3

Len Lenin…………People’s Party………………….999

Poolskie Kev……..The Raj Party………………….Offer rejected.

Raz Zputin is therefore duly elected as the ..blah, blah and blah

Because of censorship Putin can do no wrong, anyone who speaks out against him tends to fall out a hotel window or is killed in a plane crash like mercenary leader fella.
Thailand is currently awash with Russians more so Phuket so they say, where I live in Pattaya you can’t walk a few paces without hearing the very guttural harsh accent and that’s only the women ?

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:03 pm

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

Sussex UK wrote:

Critical Thinking wrote:

I'm not sure the numbers of military personnel come another "WAR" are a real worry because most of the fighting will be with drones

I've fired a webley air pistol and a small rifle.And i'm prepared to be part of the bunker dads army coastline protection if that helps..

"Don't tell him Pike" :laugh:

I see Private Pike (Ian Lavender) has passed away today aged 77, apparently he was the last surviving main character of the series. RIP.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37204

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

Sussex UK wrote:

Critical Thinking wrote:

I'm not sure the numbers of military personnel come another "WAR" are a real worry because most of the fighting will be with drones

I've fired a webley air pistol and a small rifle.And i'm prepared to be part of the bunker dads army coastline protection if that helps..

"Don't tell him Pike" :laugh:

I see Private Pike (Ian Lavender) has passed away today aged 77, apparently he was the last surviving main character of the series. RIP.

I recall seeing the first episode in 67 ..still at school….in black and white…classic gentle comedy.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19492

he,ll be remembered for generations to come for being told, don,t give him your name pike. something rife in sunday football in the 90,s.

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