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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:42 pm 
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And did he say Raj is rejoicing at our predicament now, having seen the value of his asset plummet, and the club on the brink?
Just as he wished when he rescued us from......being a club in serious debt, languishing in the NL, and on the verge of going pop?
I very much doubt that is the case, he could ha e not bothered with the hassle and watched us go down the pan without risking a penny of his own money.


Raj is a loose canon. I know a lot from our experience with him so it doesn't surprise me what I was told.
Also being in a lower league won't change his valuation of the club. He wouldnt budge on what he wanted for us even though we technically had no ground and no playing assets other than a young right back!


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So what were you told?
You've had an axe to grind since Raj left you lot. Either say what you've heard or stop shit stirring.


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So what were you told?
You've had an axe to grind since Raj left you lot. Either say what you've heard or stop shit stirring.


In short Raj isn't bothered what league you are in as long as its costing him less in outgoings..


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Well sacking the manager and looking to appoint another one doesn't smack of saving money to me. If he's not bothered if we go down he could have left Askey and his assistants in place and saved another managers wages, he also could have stopped the 2 new arrivals.


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Well sacking the manager and looking to appoint another one doesn't smack of saving money to me. If he's not bothered if we go down he could have left Askey and his assistants in place and saved another managers wages, he also could have stopped the 2 new arrivals.


Raj works in weird ways. Sacking managers is second nature to him. He fired 5 in the 2 years he had us and even then whinged about what it was costing him.


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We've seen plenty of managers come and go since Raj took over. Sacking another (and his assistant) and bringing in another plus 2 new players (1 permanent) just blows your assertion that he's cutting costs and doesn't care which division we end up in out of the water.
If he wanted to cut costs he could have just announced Sweeney and/or LL till the end if the season, no new players, and if you won't do it you can go too.
Whoever you've been talking to is obviously wrong on that score.


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And I very much doubt where we are now is where Raj, like us, wants to be.


Depends who you speak to I guess. I was chatting to an ex Pools player the other week and it was an eye opener. This is a heart on his sleeve ex player and fan too, one of your own so to speak, and a good friend of an ex manager of yours.


Look LS, Whats the point in saying that without any dirt.


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And I very much doubt where we are now is where Raj, like us, wants to be.


Depends who you speak to I guess. I was chatting to an ex Pools player the other week and it was an eye opener. This is a heart on his sleeve ex player and fan too, one of your own so to speak, and a good friend of an ex manager of yours.


Look LS, Whats the point in saying that without any dirt.


Ask leggie, he may tell you. I wouldn’t throw someone under a bus by naming them on here.


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The state of Pools and Darlo is a matter for much regret. You can keep your Man United 4-3's and cup games, even play offs against anyone. For both teams there has never been a bigger game than the one against those down the road.


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loan_star wrote:
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And I very much doubt where we are now is where Raj, like us, wants to be.


Depends who you speak to I guess. I was chatting to an ex Pools player the other week and it was an eye opener. This is a heart on his sleeve ex player and fan too, one of your own so to speak, and a good friend of an ex manager of yours.


Look LS, Whats the point in saying that without any dirt.


Ask leggie, he may tell you. I wouldn’t throw someone under a bus by naming them on here.


C,mon LS, You ask Leggie to post it, After all you stated it, :laugh:


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Don't need to name anyone just tell us what's been said. If what you posted earlier is all you've got then given what's actually happened at the club I'll take it with a ton of salt.


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The state of Pools and Darlo is a matter for much regret. You can keep your Man United 4-3's and cup games, even play offs against anyone. For both teams there has never been a bigger game than the one against those down the road.

Mores the pity, too many based their season on the result of them two matches, know people where we could finish just above relegation, but if we beat Darlo all was well in the world.

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Don't need to name anyone just tell us what's been said. If what you posted earlier is all you've got then given what's actually happened at the club I'll take it with a ton of salt.


Ok without naming names, this person told me one of your ex managers was sacked because he saved you from relegation as costs needed cutting. Armstrong was never going to sign and was told even before you went up that they couldn’t even afford him at the reduced rate he was on while on loan, never mind what he would want to sign permanently.
This person is well in with a certain crowd that knows the consortium and says you know who is very difficult to deal with!


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The state of Pools and Darlo is a matter for much regret. You can keep your Man United 4-3's and cup games, even play offs against anyone. For both teams there has never been a bigger game than the one against those down the road.

Mores the pity, too many based their season on the result of them two matches, know people where we could finish just above relegation, but if we beat Darlo all was well in the world.


If only them division 4 derbies were still the norm.
Next one could well be in division 7 if this saga of a takeover goes tits up.
Both sets of fans been well n truly took for a badride in recent times. :angry-tappingfoot:


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Well they ain’t the norm and if they were we should still be striving for higher.
We’re both in the clarts ..we need a change on the bridge and Darlo need a sugar daddy for that extra step up.

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Well from what LS says it would appear that the manager who was sacked for avoiding was Graeme Lee - who actually took over after zDC and dragged us down towards the relegation zone. He couldn't win games and insisted on playing the lanky useless kid from Boro, and the kid from Newcastle who clearly didn't want to play for us. So more likely sacked due to poor results rather than keeping us up - sour grapes?
As for Armstrong, did anyone believe we could keep him or afford him, or that his ambition was to play for us longer term.
Raj difficult to deal with? What does that mean and from who's point of view? Raj will know what he wants, prospective buyers or investors will know what they want to pay, and I'd expect them both to play hardball. Probably both sides think the other is difficult to deal with.
Ex employees may or may not have axes to grind, and their take on things may or may not be the reality of the situation.


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Well from what LS says it would appear that the manager who was sacked for avoiding was Graeme Lee - who actually took over after zDC and dragged us down towards the relegation zone. He couldn't win games and insisted on playing the lanky useless kid from Boro, and the kid from Newcastle who clearly didn't want to play for us. So more likely sacked due to poor results rather than keeping us up - sour grapes?
As for Armstrong, did anyone believe we could keep him or afford him, or that his ambition was to play for us longer term.
Raj difficult to deal with? What does that mean and from who's point of view? Raj will know what he wants, prospective buyers or investors will know what they want to pay, and I'd expect them both to play hardball. Probably both sides think the other is difficult to deal with.
Ex employees may or may not have axes to grind, and their take on things may or may not be the reality of the situation.


The thing is if we believe we couldnt afford Armstrong, why do we believe we are paying ridiculous wages for Hastie? Doesnt add up.


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We all know the reasons why we are where we are. Disastrous managerial appointment and player recruitment after Challinor left us in the lurch. And I very much doubt where we are now is where Raj, like us, wants to be.
The place was still rocking after DC with the cup games.Consolidation in Div 2 was achieved and we should have kicked on, unfortunately someone told Raj that a fella from an obscure football club should be our next manager with loads of Scottish players who would surely shine at Div 2 level, hence the awarding of 2 year deals.


That sums it up brilliantly

problem was that the scottish experiment came at least 60 years too late. gone are the days when even top clubs had a few scots in their sides and clubs like bradford park avenue and accrington had good seasons with the former promoted with nearly a full side of them. the game up there apart from for a few clubs is closer to the league of wales than our div.2. did he have a seance with a few pre war scottish players to go down that road.


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Like PTID I have a feeling LS information is coming from Hignett/Lee sources. Both knew the situation of how Pools were being run but gladly took the job but when they failed it is now just sour grapes. As for Armstrong he is believed to have been offered 3K a week at Harrogate whilst Hastie is apparently on 2K at pools. (Rumoured of course) We all know Armstrong,Oates,Johnson and co were all tapped up before the playoffs and offered more than Pools could ever offer them.


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Exactly they all agreed to join EFL clubs before we knew what league we'd be playing in. If we'd competed against those clubs and not been promoted that would have been a huge chunk of the budget blown and probably have caused issues with lower paid players within the squad.


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Hignett on the radio the other week laughed at suggestions that any Poolies would be earning a thousand or more a week.


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I'd be surprised that the likes of Lacey, Cooke, Hastie, Deseruvwie, and a few others left their clubs to come to us for less than a grand a week.
There's some bloody smart cars in the club car park on a matchday that would suggest that certain players are hardly on peanuts.


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Well from what LS says it would appear that the manager who was sacked for avoiding was Graeme Lee - who actually took over after zDC and dragged us down towards the relegation zone. He couldn't win games and insisted on playing the lanky useless kid from Boro, and the kid from Newcastle who clearly didn't want to play for us. So more likely sacked due to poor results rather than keeping us up - sour grapes?
As for Armstrong, did anyone believe we could keep him or afford him, or that his ambition was to play for us longer term.
Raj difficult to deal with? What does that mean and from who's point of view? Raj will know what he wants, prospective buyers or investors will know what they want to pay, and I'd expect them both to play hardball. Probably both sides think the other is difficult to deal with.
Ex employees may or may not have axes to grind, and their take on things may or may not be the reality of the situation.


As usual Mr PTID a rational restrained and sensible perspective on what is clearly bullshitting and shit stirring nonsense.


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Hignett on the radio the other week laughed at suggestions that any Poolies would be earning a thousand or more a week.


You would think an ex manager would have slightly more idea. Though you will get those that will say he just wants a dig, which i guess he could be. Facts are facts though the standard of our team has gone down month by month for nearly 2 years, whether its down to paying enough wages or not, their must be a reason for it? It cant all be down to every manager we get not having a clue.


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I'd be surprised that the likes of Lacey, Cooke, Hastie, Deseruvwie, and a few others left their clubs to come to us for less than a grand a week.
There's some bloody smart cars in the club car park on a matchday that would suggest that certain players are hardly on peanuts.

doubt there is a single player even at our level who gets paid less than double the average wage fans get. if only they all earned it like those in the past did where in the late 80,s and early 90,s they,d earn more away from football. many in those days drove vehicles that were in the spares or repairs catogary and lived in houses like the rest of us did.


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Think it's more the standards of performances seems to be going down month by month. Crawford, Cooke, Mani O, Dixon, Fergy, etc all had good starts to the season now nowhere near as good.
Who knows what the reason is, money, personality clashes, lethargy, mismanagement, tiredness, lack of fitness............????


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Trouble with the post about ex players comments is it gets the imagination of people into top gear and people unfairly targeted as likely candidates for the role of the mystery ‘ex player’.
No good giving us the script and leaving out the author.
Last thing we need is whodunnit’s … cough up or leave it alone.

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With regard to Armstrong(don,t know why people still banging on about him) He was already lined up to go to Harra a while before the actual end of season


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Trouble with the post about ex players comments is it gets the imagination of people into top gear and people unfairly targeted as likely candidates for the role of the mystery ‘ex player’.
No good giving us the script and leaving out the author.
Last thing we need is whodunnit’s … cough up or leave it alone.


The player in question was Skedd :roll:


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Trouble with the post about ex players comments is it gets the imagination of people into top gear and people unfairly targeted as likely candidates for the role of the mystery ‘ex player’.
No good giving us the script and leaving out the author.
Last thing we need is whodunnit’s … cough up or leave it alone.


The player in question was Skedd :roll:


So a 'recent' ex player then! :roll:

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Leggie43 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Trouble with the post about ex players comments is it gets the imagination of people into top gear and people unfairly targeted as likely candidates for the role of the mystery ‘ex player’.
No good giving us the script and leaving out the author.
Last thing we need is whodunnit’s … cough up or leave it alone.


The player in question was Skedd :roll:


What has Skedd got to do with Raj??? Is he a resident of one of Raj's care homes.

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Leggie43 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Trouble with the post about ex players comments is it gets the imagination of people into top gear and people unfairly targeted as likely candidates for the role of the mystery ‘ex player’.
No good giving us the script and leaving out the author.
Last thing we need is whodunnit’s … cough up or leave it alone.


The player in question was Skedd :roll:


So a 'recent' ex player then! :roll:

30 years ago…..wonder if he has any gossip about what was happening in the first half of the 90’s…we should be told. :laugh:

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With regard to Armstrong(don,t know why people still banging on about him) He was already lined up to go to Harra a while before the actual end of season

plus he was only on loan to us which a lot seem to forget. we would not have been the only club who could not compete with the money harrogate were throwing around then.


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What has Skedd got to do with Raj???


Sweet FA.
But is HUST and knows Goughy, Hignett and all the lads like... :roll:

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I'd be surprised that the likes of Lacey, Cooke, Hastie, Deseruvwie, and a few others left their clubs to come to us for less than a grand a week.
There's some bloody smart cars in the club car park on a matchday that would suggest that certain players are hardly on peanuts.


New cars are bought on lease nowadays, most of the players wether single or have a partner can afford a smart car.


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I'd be surprised that the likes of Lacey, Cooke, Hastie, Deseruvwie, and a few others left their clubs to come to us for less than a grand a week.
There's some bloody smart cars in the club car park on a matchday that would suggest that certain players are hardly on peanuts.


New cars are bought on lease nowadays, most of the players wether single or have a partner can afford a smart car.

Aye, you’re right Jamie a lot of younger people never own a car, they just lease them.
I don’t know if there are Tax advantages as well from a business or employment perspective.

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Don't need to name anyone just tell us what's been said. If what you posted earlier is all you've got then given what's actually happened at the club I'll take it with a ton of salt.


Ok without naming names, this person told me one of your ex managers was sacked because he saved you from relegation as costs needed cutting. Armstrong was never going to sign and was told even before you went up that they couldn’t even afford him at the reduced rate he was on while on loan, never mind what he would want to sign permanently.
This person is well in with a certain crowd that knows the consortium and says you know who is very difficult to deal with!



I agree that Raj is over sensitive and a loose cannon, also agree he is pretty much done now and isnt that bothered about where we end up apart from how it reflects his bottom line, the idea he sacked someone for avoiding relegation is a bit ridiculous though, and last years relegation was based incompetence rather than the money spent--it was criminal what we wasted on shite.


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derwent wrote:
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Trouble with the post about ex players comments is it gets the imagination of people into top gear and people unfairly targeted as likely candidates for the role of the mystery ‘ex player’.
No good giving us the script and leaving out the author.
Last thing we need is whodunnit’s … cough up or leave it alone.


The player in question was Skedd :roll:


What has Skedd got to do with Raj??? Is he a resident of one of Raj's care homes.


Hope he isnt in a room next to Adrian Heath if so .. :laugh:


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Actually he’s a physiotherapist…in Whitby I understand.

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Leasing Range Rover and top of the range BMW and Audis isn't cheap, and credit ai t so easy to get nowadays.


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Leasing Range Rover and top of the range BMW and Audis isn't cheap, and credit ai t so easy to get nowadays.

Who said anything about it being cheap sctatchinghead

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Leasing Range Rover and top of the range BMW and Audis isn't cheap, and credit ai t so easy to get nowadays.

at least you do not have to suffer the massive depreciation on these vehicles if you bought them new. some cars worth drops by 50 per cent in the first year. anyone remember the citroen xm.


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I'd be surprised that the likes of Lacey, Cooke, Hastie, Deseruvwie, and a few others left their clubs to come to us for less than a grand a week.
There's some bloody smart cars in the club car park on a matchday that would suggest that certain players are hardly on peanuts.


According to the Alifax chairman,Mani D was the highest paid player in their history,but couldn't match the wages we offered him,due to us getting the parachute payment.
Plus apparently Hastie & even Ndjoli are on well over a grand a week.


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PTID wrote:
I'd be surprised that the likes of Lacey, Cooke, Hastie, Deseruvwie, and a few others left their clubs to come to us for less than a grand a week.
There's some bloody smart cars in the club car park on a matchday that would suggest that certain players are hardly on peanuts.


According to the Alifax chairman,Mani D was the highest paid player in their history,but couldn't match the wages we offered him,due to us getting the parachute payment.
Plus apparently Hastie & even Ndjoli are on well over a grand a week.

can see that being correct as they haven,t been a league club since stupid wages have started to be paid out. however i thought mani D wanted away from them anyway.


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