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The only trouble with consortiums is they’re like herding cats.
It’s said a camel was a horse designed by a committee/consortium.
Well if they don’t rouse themselves soon, this ship is heading for the rocks.
I know there’s lots to be sorted but it seems to drag on and on as the clock counts down on this comic opera, which to rub salt in the wounds started promisingly.

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You are spot on Snowy. But I do have a feeling it will be sorted this week. And no I do not have any information from anyone its just a inkling :wink:


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it will be fine as long as its leader has a good personality to carry it through. without that you could get snowys prediction.


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Heard last week from a good source.

There are 4 members of the consortium, evidence of the money required has been provided to move forward so now they are currently reviewing the books under non disclosure.

Should it all go ahead pools will be ran as a community club all but 1 of the 4 live in the UK.


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As i said in another post, Yesterdays defeat COULD be a blessing, No more money making chances for Raj.


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I heard the same from the fat bloke down the pub.


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Is it true that the 4 are all local lads to Hartlepool?


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I read somewhere today that Clattermole is again being touted as one of the favourites for the Pools job, he’s been touted on previous recent occasions of course so hopefully it’s just more of the traditional hogwash - lets hope so anyway.


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I think the fact they are dealing with Raj Singh is probably making then scrutinise things more closely than maybe they would have if it was IOR, for example. I don't blame them even though time might start to run out.


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As i said in another post, Yesterdays defeat COULD be a blessing, No more money making chances for Raj.

even if we had won the thing it would not have been a life changing amount for raj or the club. why do others who went out not have taken it seriously.


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Musgrave and his partner could contribute from the £50 million pounds profit from a turnover of around £140 million they made in one year from dealings with Houchen and the Steelworks site at Redcar.
Watch the YouTube video on the thread I put up about the Redcar Steelworks Site, its mind boggling the money involved.


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As i said in another post, Yesterdays defeat COULD be a blessing, No more money making chances for Raj.

even if we had won the thing it would not have been a life changing amount for raj or the club. why do others who went out not have taken it seriously.


It might not be life changing but if you have the opportunity of getting 200 k or whatever your not going to pass it up.


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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
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As i said in another post, Yesterdays defeat COULD be a blessing, No more money making chances for Raj.

even if we had won the thing it would not have been a life changing amount for raj or the club. why do others who went out not have taken it seriously.


It might not be life changing but if you have the opportunity of getting 200 k or whatever your not going to pass it up.


Exactly the penny pinching (person)
Look at the state of the pitch for christ sake.


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Musgrave and his partner could contribute from the £50 million pounds profit from a turnover of around £140 million they made in one year from dealings with Houchen and the Steelworks site at Redcar.
Watch the YouTube video on the thread I put up about the Redcar Steelworks Site, it’s mind boggling the money involved.


We need people with money, no point aggravating prospective investors by highlighting your views.
Most Poolies wouldn’t give a toss where a new investor’s money came from or their business dealings.
Moral outrage v financing a decent team will see moral outrage kicked in the gonads every time.

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The time for morals is out the window with us we either want a successful club or we want to get beat every week in this hell hole. I see a few people are saying a good offer on the table for raj but he is playing hardball at the minute, if thats true i suggest he gets on with it before the clubs worth nowt.


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Snowy wrote:
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Musgrave and his partner could contribute from the £50 million pounds profit from a turnover of around £140 million they made in one year from dealings with Houchen and the Steelworks site at Redcar.
Watch the YouTube video on the thread I put up about the Redcar Steelworks Site, it’s mind boggling the money involved.


We need people with money, no point aggravating prospective investors by highlighting your views.
Most Poolies wouldn’t give a toss where a new investor’s money came from or their business dealings.
Moral outrage v financing a decent team will see moral outrage kicked in the gonads every time.


And rightly so.
Business has always been as bent as fuck.


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Newcastle fans delighted at Arab money.


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As long as someone is legal (as opposed to not aligning with others political viewpoint) I don’t give a monkey’s toss about their politics.
If someone wants to support high moral ethics go to church every Sunday, their season lasts all year round and their ‘stadium’ has a roof.

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Musgrave had a sniff around last time but with no real interest.


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Musgrave had a sniff around last time but with no real interest.


He is into making money not losing it, if he thought he could have made a fast buck like he did with the proposed site of the new hospital or like the steelworks site he would have been interested.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
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Musgrave had a sniff around last time but with no real interest.


He is into making money not losing it, if he thought he could have made a fast buck like he did with the proposed site of the new hospital or like the steelworks site he would have been interested.

Well if we’re using your standards there’s only the Tooth Fairy, Mother Teresa, Santa Claus and Jesus left and he has never had any lasting interest in Pools….
As far as I know, making a profit is legal, unless you know better…?

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Musgrave had a sniff around last time but with no real interest.


Musgrave gave an interview and said he wanted to invest, the problem was no one told him how much he would need to put in and walked away.

He isnt a footy fan but at the time wanted to help out, bit of a myth that only raj wanted to help at the time.


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Given Musgrave walked away I think it did leave us with only Raj.

A bit like now, we lack options.


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Given Musgrave walked away I think it did leave us with only Raj.

A bit like now, we lack options.


But if he had of been given the full facts who knows? We have an option raj does a deal with investors who are interested.


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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
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Given Musgrave walked away I think it did leave us with only Raj.

A bit like now, we lack options.


But if he had of been given the full facts who knows? We have an option raj does a deal with investors who are interested.

Precisely, this is the problem and we’re in no position to get sniffy and start moralising.
F#&k me Mr B, we’re agreeing too much here, it’s bad for the image. :laugh:

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Snowy wrote:
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Given Musgrave walked away I think it did leave us with only Raj.

A bit like now, we lack options.


But if he had of been given the full facts who knows? We have an option raj does a deal with investors who are interested.

Precisely, this is the problem and we’re in no position to get sniffy and start moralising.
F#&k me Mr B, we’re agreeing too much here, it’s bad for the image. :laugh:


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Bad people and vagabonds


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Bad people and vagabonds

Peter Perfect ain’t interested and skint anyway.

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We mostly have a reliable source pub man.
Mine at the Darts Monday nite saying the debt has gone but Raj could be holding out for a golden handshake redundancy offer.

More Rumours Crack Statements Quotes Bullshit etc.
To be continued....


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Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Mr Irrelevant wrote:
Musgrave had a sniff around last time but with no real interest.


He is into making money not losing it, if he thought he could have made a fast buck like he did with the proposed site of the new hospital or like the steelworks site he would have been interested.

Well if we’re using your standards there’s only the Tooth Fairy, Mother Teresa, Santa Claus and Jesus left and he has never had any lasting interest in Pools….
As far as I know, making a profit is legal, unless you know better…?


Any level headed businessman wouldn’t invest” money in Pools, they are not an investment, IOR/Larsen Oil & Gas used them for their companies benefits.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Mr Irrelevant wrote:
Musgrave had a sniff around last time but with no real interest.


He is into making money not losing it, if he thought he could have made a fast buck like he did with the proposed site of the new hospital or like the steelworks site he would have been interested.

Well if we’re using your standards there’s only the Tooth Fairy, Mother Teresa, Santa Claus and Jesus left and he has never had any lasting interest in Pools….
As far as I know, making a profit is legal, unless you know better…?


Any level headed businessman wouldn’t invest” money in Pools, they are not an investment, IOR/Larsen Oil & Gas used them for their companies benefits.


Well we might as well call it a day then…so, bags the floodlight in the North West corner and it can be summer every night in our back garden all year round….and every other back garden too for half a mile.

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Jamie1952 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
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Musgrave had a sniff around last time but with no real interest.


He is into making money not losing it, if he thought he could have made a fast buck like he did with the proposed site of the new hospital or like the steelworks site he would have been interested.

Well if we’re using your standards there’s only the Tooth Fairy, Mother Teresa, Santa Claus and Jesus left and he has never had any lasting interest in Pools….
As far as I know, making a profit is legal, unless you know better…?


Any level headed businessman wouldn’t invest” money in Pools, they are not an investment, IOR/Larsen Oil & Gas used them for their companies benefits.


Raj singh proved if you have the manager , you have the team, pull in 5000 plus get a bit of luck with cup draws its possible to make money, this is what should be highlighted to potential investors.

Not little old Hartlepool is just a loss making adventure, its bound to be a loss making adventure if you never build a team around you.


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Potential investors will know the probability of making money out of a football club outside the PL is unlikely. There scrutiny of the books will tell them all they need to know, and unlike some they'll be looking at the figures for a full 10 years or so rather than just our good cup run year.
Let's be honest we need someone who has bags of money to burn, or local people who are willing to lose a bit each in a consortium, or a big business looking for a tax reduction opportunity, or Ryan Reynolds type who took a calculated gamble (there was always a series or film to make to recoup some of the outlay).
Expectation of making money out of owning Pools is purely fanciful - anyone name an owner that did over their entire tenure?


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Potential investors will know the probability of making money out of a football club outside the PL is unlikely. There scrutiny of the books will tell them all they need to know, and unlike some they'll be looking at the figures for a full 10 years or so rather than just our good cup run year.
Let's be honest we need someone who has bags of money to burn, or local people who are willing to lose a bit each in a consortium, or a big business looking for a tax reduction opportunity, or Ryan Reynolds type who took a calculated gamble (there was always a series or film to make to recoup some of the outlay).
Expectation of making money out of owning Pools is purely fanciful - anyone name an owner that did over their entire tenure?

name any owner that makes anything out of a football club. they use clubs as vanity projects or a way to avoid tax. they might put the town and the club on the map but at a cost to them. if they are looking for a profit out of pools then we are all doomed.


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Basically it’s a hobby/vanity project


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Newcastle fans delighted at Arab money.

like man.city fans are and so would we if we climbed back up the leagues. could not give a flying one what opposition fans said or thought about us. i,d bloody enjoy it seeing us wave goodby to them as we moved upwards.


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Musgrave had a sniff around last time but with no real interest.


Musgrave gave an interview and said he wanted to invest, the problem was no one told him how much he would need to put in and walked away.

He isnt a footy fan but at the time wanted to help out, bit of a myth that only raj wanted to help at the time.

Not a footy fan but used to get chauferred to the Boro matches all the time, by an NES employee


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These investors want to bask in success, they like being the heroes of the club, ego in its purest form being celebrated.
If that’s what they want, indulge them…..then we can bask as well.

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Consortium in our case = Conundrum.


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Any level headed businessman wouldn’t invest” money in Pools, they are not an investment, IOR/Larsen Oil & Gas used them for their companies benefits.[/quote]

I think your right, why would any level headed business man invest in pools. Its an almost certainty that they will lose money and end up hated by the fans. Pretty much every owner always is of every football club unless they are billionaires and willing to waste their money on the club. Its like a poisoned chalice owning a club. Im sure Raj isnt being invited forn sunday dinner at many places in or around the town.


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Any level headed businessman wouldn’t invest” money in Pools, they are not an investment, IOR/Larsen Oil & Gas used them for their companies benefits.


I think your right, why would any level headed business man invest in pools. Its an almost certainty that they will lose money and end up hated by the fans. Pretty much every owner always is of every football club unless they are billionaires and willing to waste their money on the club. Its like a poisoned chalice owning a club. Im sure Raj isnt being invited forn sunday dinner at many places in or around the town.[/quote]


Even the billionaires get the bullet eventually because a good percentage of fans want success on a conveyor belt….. patience is a rare commodity on the terraces.

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Any level headed businessman wouldn’t invest” money in Pools, they are not an investment, IOR/Larsen Oil & Gas used them for their companies benefits.


I think your right, why would any level headed business man invest in pools. Its an almost certainty that they will lose money and end up hated by the fans. Pretty much every owner always is of every football club unless they are billionaires and willing to waste their money on the club. Its like a poisoned chalice owning a club. Im sure Raj isnt being invited forn sunday dinner at many places in or around the town.

Even the billionaires get the bullet eventually because a good percentage of fans want success on a conveyor belt….. patience is a rare commodity on the terraces.[/quote]

We had no choice on the terraces, :laugh:


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Snowy wrote:
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Any level headed businessman wouldn’t invest” money in Pools, they are not an investment, IOR/Larsen Oil & Gas used them for their companies benefits.


I think your right, why would any level headed business man invest in pools. Its an almost certainty that they will lose money and end up hated by the fans. Pretty much every owner always is of every football club unless they are billionaires and willing to waste their money on the club. Its like a poisoned chalice owning a club. Im sure Raj isnt being invited forn sunday dinner at many places in or around the town.

Even the billionaires get the bullet eventually because a good percentage of fans want success on a conveyor belt….. patience is a rare commodity on the terraces.[/quote]
really the clubs they do own are basically hobby clubs to them all. its their version of of showing the place off to their mates like those who if interested in art will show their collections off. we have all had hobbies now or in the past that we spent money on but rarely if ever made a profit out of it.


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Any level headed businessman wouldn’t invest” money in Pools, they are not an investment, IOR/Larsen Oil & Gas used them for their companies benefits.


I think your right, why would any level headed business man invest in pools. Its an almost certainty that they will lose money and end up hated by the fans. Pretty much every owner always is of every football club unless they are billionaires and willing to waste their money on the club. Its like a poisoned chalice owning a club. Im sure Raj isnt being invited forn sunday dinner at many places in or around the town.

Even the billionaires get the bullet eventually because a good percentage of fans want success on a conveyor belt….. patience is a rare commodity on the terraces.[/quote]

Raj could of been worshipped at pools like Challinor was though, he gained promotion had the manager and most of the team in place, ground was rocking. Only he will know why he then let the club run down to whats on offer now.


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We all know the reasons why we are where we are. Disastrous managerial appointment and player recruitment after Challinor left us in the lurch. And I very much doubt where we are now is where Raj, like us, wants to be.
The place was still rocking after DC with the cup games.Consolidation in Div 2 was achieved and we should have kicked on, unfortunately someone told Raj that a fella from an obscure football club should be our next manager with loads of Scottish players who would surely shine at Div 2 level, hence the awarding of 2 year deals.


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We all know the reasons why we are where we are. Disastrous managerial appointment and player recruitment after Challinor left us in the lurch. And I very much doubt where we are now is where Raj, like us, wants to be.
The place was still rocking after DC with the cup games.Consolidation in Div 2 was achieved and we should have kicked on, unfortunately someone told Raj that a fella from an obscure football club should be our next manager with loads of Scottish players who would surely shine at Div 2 level, hence the awarding of 2 year deals.


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And I very much doubt where we are now is where Raj, like us, wants to be.


Depends who you speak to I guess. I was chatting to an ex Pools player the other week and it was an eye opener. This is a heart on his sleeve ex player and fan too, one of your own so to speak, and a good friend of an ex manager of yours.


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And I very much doubt where we are now is where Raj, like us, wants to be.


Depends who you speak to I guess. I was chatting to an ex Pools player the other week and it was an eye opener. This is a heart on his sleeve ex player and fan too, one of your own so to speak, and a good friend of an ex manager of yours.


Spill the beans then to back up your post. Don't need to name names just supply the details sctatchinghead


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And did he say Raj is rejoicing at our predicament now, having seen the value of his asset plummet, and the club on the brink?
Just as he wished when he rescued us from......being a club in serious debt, languishing in the NL, and on the verge of going pop?
I very much doubt that is the case, he could ha e not bothered with the hassle and watched us go down the pan without risking a penny of his own money.


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PTID wrote:
And I very much doubt where we are now is where Raj, like us, wants to be.


Depends who you speak to I guess. I was chatting to an ex Pools player the other week and it was an eye opener. This is a heart on his sleeve ex player and fan too, one of your own so to speak, and a good friend of an ex manager of yours.


Spill the beans then to back up your post. Don't need to name names just supply the details sctatchinghead


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