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 Post subject: Askey Out
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:59 pm 
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Gives me no pleasure as he is a decent bloke who I think is competent but enoughs enough
It’s not working and can’t go on like this game after fucking game.

As for the players the vast majority can go fuck themselves we are nowhere near as bad as we have been doing , and the lack of leadership and application is appalling, well done lads keep picking up your wages as you get a good man sacked


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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As said many times before, Askey lost the dressing room months and Months ago.

However, attitude of Mani today says it all. He's another player who clearly doesn't want to be here.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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I’ve never commented on the manager as I think he’s got an impossible job. When you change the manager you need to get a better one. Who is seriously going to come to Pools in the current situation.


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Please come back Dave challinor


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
I’ve never commented on the manager as I think he’s got an impossible job. When you change the manager you need to get a better one. Who is seriously going to come to Pools in the current situation.


I guess the idea would be to let Sweeney run the show till the end of the season. Could he possibly do any worse?


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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Definitely needs a change of manager.... sadly. even if it improves results for a short time, which it might...
After the Oldham away game, the next 4 league matches are v Oxford C, Fylde, Ebbsfleet & Kidderminster. We just can't carry on losing & drawing can we?


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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I don't think Raj will have much option but sack him once we concede another 5 goals against the mighty Oxford City


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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barriewardrobe3 wrote:
Definitely needs a change of manager.... sadly. even if it improves results for a short time, which it might...
After the Oldham away game, the next 4 league matches are v Oxford C, Fylde, Ebbsfleet & Kidderminster. We just can't carry on losing & drawing can we?


Well, if we lose against them 4 we are down.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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No body will be interested in becoming the manager if a takeover is close


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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I think if I was him I would resign and have that on my CV rather than that I was sacked.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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If he doesnt resign he will have to be paid off. He will have bills to pay, so why resign? I dont blame him.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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ZNB12 wrote:
barriewardrobe3 wrote:
Definitely needs a change of manager.... sadly. even if it improves results for a short time, which it might...
After the Oldham away game, the next 4 league matches are v Oxford C, Fylde, Ebbsfleet & Kidderminster. We just can't carry on losing & drawing can we?


Well, if we lose against them 4 we are down.


Anyone suggest a reason we might NOT lose against them?


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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Not sure if the penny is finally dropping but Raj isnt going to sack Askey !

He hasnt invested in the squad this season and the evidence is infront of you, Sinfh is getting ready to jump and HUST will be left to sort out the mess.

Come on wake up and smell the coffee.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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People say we can’t afford to sack him, but if your roof fell in you’d have to find the money from somewhere to fix it….. because the next rainy day would explain why you have no other option.

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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
ZNB12 wrote:
barriewardrobe3 wrote:
Definitely needs a change of manager.... sadly. even if it improves results for a short time, which it might...
After the Oldham away game, the next 4 league matches are v Oxford C, Fylde, Ebbsfleet & Kidderminster. We just can't carry on losing & drawing can we?


Well, if we lose against them 4 we are down.


Anyone suggest a reason we might NOT lose against them?

Postponed due to weather.

It's the only one I can think of :violin:


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
I’ve never commented on the manager as I think he’s got an impossible job. When you change the manager you need to get a better one. Who is seriously going to come to Pools in the current situation.


Somebody with a fucking big stick.


We just need to go back to our school days.

Remember the teaches who would let you get away with just about anything.

Well now remember the ones who you would not dare to cross.

Thats what players respect, Do you think for 1 min, Challinor would tolerate this lot.
He would have them in training Day and Night till they towed the line.


Remember his motto in intervews "LOSE THE GAME, LOSE YOUR TIME OFF"


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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The fans that have stuck by raj are the ones that deserve this team. This has been coming for 2 year, it doesnt matter whos in charge its an impossible job. The club is an utter joke on and off the pitch.


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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
I’ve never commented on the manager as I think he’s got an impossible job. When you change the manager you need to get a better one. Who is seriously going to come to Pools in the current situation.



Yes I genuinely like him but situation is gettingn untenable, it’s the players I blame
As someone points out next 4 after oldham we really need to be gettin 10 points from to avoid being sucked into relegation places as they are the 4 worst teams in the league

Ferguson really needs to look at himself, captain of this lot is something to be ashamed of but he’s not handing out bollocking Snpr anything a leader he is not

Really pissed off at the whole situation


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
The fans that have stuck by raj are the ones that deserve this team. This has been coming for 2 year, it doesnt matter whos in charge its an impossible job. The club is an utter joke on and off the pitch.

You don’t believe in moving on then eh..?
As for sticking with Raj, we didn’t have an option, he was the only raft in an empty ocean ….I had no intention of drowning to prove a point, it appears you did.
I wish I was as sure about anything as you appear to be about everything… :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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If something isn't done we will be playing Darlington again


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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Davcla wrote:
If something isn't done we will be playing Darlington again

They going down themselves by the looks of it.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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I think he’s already gone. The fact that Sweeney spoke to the press and not Askey says to me that JA had been summoned to a post match meeting.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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I think he’s already gone. The fact that Sweeney spoke to the press and not Askey says to me that JA had been summoned to a post match meeting.


Could be this but he has been known to skip media duties when there’s a quick succession of games. I would be surprised if Raj sacked him in current situation but think he might have to now. I can only see a stop gap replacement for the moment though, Sweens? Lee return? Ronnie Moore? Some sort of desperation.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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We’re in the clarts….something has to be done.

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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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It's the fact that none of them have done a video interview for YouTube, that's strange. My money be on Sweeney & Featherstone


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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If askey goes there won’t be another appointment this season other than sweeney and an assistant as caretakers. He won’t want to be increasing the spend.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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Unless we get some new owners in over the next few months.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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ZNB12 wrote:
Unless we get some new owners in over the next few months.

The way our luck is going I wouldn’t count on it sadx

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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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I feel bad for Askey , if he was sacked I feel he could and probably would go somewhere else and do ok, it’s the players that piss me off


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ZNB12 wrote:
Unless we get some new owners in over the next few months.


I wonder if we have a few months to spare? The way things are going, it could all be over in a few months with National League North our next destination. We need action fairly urgently.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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I feel bad for Askey , if he was sacked I feel he could and probably would go somewhere else and do ok, it’s the players that piss me off


I think this is a very good point. I agree 100% but regardless, he has to go because the trajectory is downward and it is clear it isnt going to change under the current regime.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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Nah. Stick with him. Sign three or four players on loan and we'll be fine.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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Every fookin player we sign gets injured or turns out to be crap when surrounded by demoralized low achievers playing a non existent system or one they cant understand.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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In Askeys defence he inherited a poor squad, we lost 2 of our best players through injury at the start of the season, we have had other injuries to key players who have been out for several weeks, we don’t have a recognised centre half.
He can only sign loan players who can’t get a game for their own club more or less dross, the odds have been stacked against Askey from day 1.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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Snowy wrote:
People say we can’t afford to sack him, but if your roof fell in you’d have to find the money from somewhere to fix it….. because the next rainy day would explain why you have no other option.


If he is sacked would the rumoured take over consortium want to continue paying Askey compensation along with previous managers compensation, that would be a strain on their finances from day 1.
We can only continue with Askey and hopefully avoid relegation, would Sweeney do any better with current squad. Surely as he is part of the coaching team some of the blame should lie with him as well ?


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What a situation. Cant afford to sack Askey and cant afford not too. Why would anyone buy the club and swap with Raj and be hated by so many people. We all want someone who is a multi millionaire and is happy to blow it on pools. If they cant afford too or wont everyone hates them. im sure the list of millionaires with connections to hartlepool is very small and factor in the above then zero. Raj will dump the club into administration before the end of the season and will be NLN next year at best. Club is losing money every month i would bet and how long will Raj pay the bills while everyone attacks him online and likely in real life. What a mess and next year in the NLN wont even mean a game with Darlo as they look to be going down too. What a time to be alive


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Nah. Stick with him. Sign three or four players on loan and we'll be fine.

He’s signed plenty of players so far and …….they ain’t set the world on fire.

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What a situation. Cant afford to sack Askey and cant afford not too. Why would anyone buy the club and swap with Raj and be hated by so many people. We all want someone who is a multi millionaire and is happy to blow it on pools. If they cant afford too or wont everyone hates them. im sure the list of millionaires with connections to hartlepool is very small and factor in the above then zero. Raj will dump the club into administration before the end of the season and will be NLN next year at best. Club is losing money every month i would bet and how long will Raj pay the bills while everyone attacks him online and likely in real life. What a mess and next year in the NLN wont even mean a game with Darlo as they look to be going down too. What a time to be alive

Agree with you 100%. The Raj knocker’s have got what they’ve campaigned for over the past few years and appear surprised he ain’t gonna splash the cash after being so vociferous in their ceaseless criticism. So wake up, because this what happens when the complainers get their wish and then try to absolve themselves of any blame….it’s called cause and effect…a bit like smoking in a bath full of petrol yet it takes these people by surprise :roll:
There’s been plenty of time over the past year or so for one of the passing millionaires to pop in and take over, splashing the cash like confetti, but it appears the interest has surprisingly non existent…would you believe it..oh dear.
The HUST approach sounds very wary and not something that’s gonna happen any time soon, more’s the pity, so the only hope left is getting the misfits on the pitch to start fulfilling their job descriptions.
Askey sounds like a man herding cats, it’s obvious he’s lost the plot, so it’s either resign yourself to a slide into obscurity or take a chance, any chance to kick the playing staff into shape, we have no other option.

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 Post subject: Re: Askey Out
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Snowy wrote:
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Nah. Stick with him. Sign three or four players on loan and we'll be fine.

He’s signed plenty of players so far and …….they ain’t set the world on fire.


Agree Askey has signed a few players, maybe he was hoping for a hidden gem among like Mancini was before he got injured.


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I don't think he has lost the dressing room. You get a 4-4 if you have. He's been stating facts when saying the defending is woeful. The players think they are better than they actually are, there is no grit and determination, and we lack leadership on the pitch. Our forwards are decent. Midfield average, defence and goalkeeper below par. So we can score goals but concede plenty. The only thing we can do is sign three defenders and a midfielder on loan proven at at least this level. If results don't improve then there will be no option but for Askey to go. The fans wanted him four months ago and we got him on a long term deal. He should be good enough to turn this round with some signings. Hopefully the chairman will commit to funding some players to steady the playing side whilst the discussions with the consortium hopefully progress. The only thing we can really do is get behind the players and hope they start picking up points.


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It really is amazing that anyone can try to put the blame on the so called Raj Backers for the situation we're in.
We're in the shit because of the awful managerial appointments and signings sinceChalinor left. Does anyone seriously believe that Raj doesn't want to succeed and get a financial return on his investment?
Raj is pulling the plug because of the abuse he and his family are getting because his efforts haven't paid off. So those who wanted him out regardless of the fact that there wasn't an alternative need to accept that lack of investment is down to them driving the chairman to the brink, therefore it is detractors that are most at fault for the situation we're in.
Hopefully he keeps us going until a new owner is in place, or do those who want him gone want him to go now and the club to die?


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Jamie1952 wrote:
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Nah. Stick with him. Sign three or four players on loan and we'll be fine.

He’s signed plenty of players so far and …….they ain’t set the world on fire.


Agree Askey has signed a few players, maybe he was hoping for a hidden gem among like Mancini was before he got injured.

He must have took a big sample survey Jamie :laugh:
I’ve got visions now of him as one of those old time gold prospectors who has a massive pile of rocks and a couple of pieces of fools gold which he’s desperately polishing.

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I don't think he has lost the dressing room. You get a 4-4 if you have. He's been stating facts when saying the defending is woeful. The players think they are better than they actually are, there is no grit and determination, and we lack leadership on the pitch. Our forwards are decent. Midfield average, defence and goalkeeper below par. So we can score goals but concede plenty. The only thing we can do is sign three defenders and a midfielder on loan proven at at least this level. If results don't improve then there will be no option but for Askey to go. The fans wanted him four months ago and we got him on a long term deal. He should be good enough to turn this round with some signings. Hopefully the chairman will commit to funding some players to steady the playing side whilst the discussions with the consortium hopefully progress. The only thing we can really do is get behind the players and hope they start picking up points.

Correct to a point, but if you were chairman and on the way out, would you spend even more money…? That’s a bit like renting a house and putting your notice to quit in and then suddenly deciding to build a conservatory a few weeks before you move out.

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I don't think he has lost the dressing room. You get a 4-4 if you have. He's been stating facts when saying the defending is woeful. The players think they are better than they actually are, there is no grit and determination, and we lack leadership on the pitch. Our forwards are decent. Midfield average, defence and goalkeeper below par. So we can score goals but concede plenty. The only thing we can do is sign three defenders and a midfielder on loan proven at at least this level. If results don't improve then there will be no option but for Askey to go. The fans wanted him four months ago and we got him on a long term deal. He should be good enough to turn this round with some signings. Hopefully the chairman will commit to funding some players to steady the playing side whilst the discussions with the consortium hopefully progress. The only thing we can really do is get behind the players and hope they start picking up points.

Correct to a point, but if you were chairman and on the way out, would you spend even more money…? That’s a bit like renting a house and putting your notice to quit in and then suddenly deciding to build a conservatory a few weeks before you move out.

On the other hand, Raj will want as much as he can from the potential sale of club, players and other assets, before the signing of the contracts. If the club is in the bottom 4 come the end of January. Then the club loses at lot of value. So it's a dammed if you do and dammed If you don't at the moment or caught between a Rock and a Hard Place for all of us. Pools need to navigate the waters very carefully here, or we'll sink very faster. sadx


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£100k on loan players or 100k paying askey off, paying a new manager and signing no players? He can agree with consortium to split the 100k 50:50 if they take over. It makes sense to sign players and back the manager.


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£100k on loan players or 100k paying askey off, paying a new manager and signing no players? He can agree with consortium to split the 100k 50:50 if they take over. It makes sense to sign players and back the manager.

As none of us know what’s going on in the dressing room , you are left with the basic maths solution that it’s cheaper to replace a manager than a team…it’s as basic as that….or is it… it’s a conundrum. :evil:

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Why would the consortium agree to fund the signing of players before they've agreed a sale? The Trust have said due diligence has to be carried out and some of the consortium members may well drop out or be added to yet.
The only way new players are arriving anytime soon will be if Raj funds them, so while he's still here we've got to hope he'll do just that.
The big worry for me is that Askey seems to be set on bringing in players he's managed before, and his dogged belief in 3 at the back.


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In Askeys defence he inherited a poor squad, we lost 2 of our best players through injury at the start of the season, we have had other injuries to key players who have been out for several weeks, we don’t have a recognised centre half.
He can only sign loan players who can’t get a game for their own club more or less dross, the odds have been stacked against Askey from day 1.

yes and its pointless changing managers now with a take over on the horizon. they could have their own man lined up. askey is only a football manager and not a miracle worker as without cash to spend his replacement would be no better.


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