The Elgin Marbles

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7072

Another smokescreen by Sunak to cover up the far more important issues in the U.K. currently ?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36396

Jamie, this bollocks been going on for years, when the Greek President came over it was on the understanding that the topic would not be raised at this point in time, he chose to ignore that request, his problem
As for the marbles, they were purchased from the Ottoman government quite legally when they were found by the side of the Parthenon after the local’s accidentally blew it up after using it as an explosives warehouse in the 1800’s. Other countries also got involved in removing artefacts legall by purchasing them.
Whether they go or stay I couldn’t give a toss actually, but the idea they were looted or stolen is a myth……coincidentally, if they hadn’t been removed they would no longer exist as there was no interest in them at the time and it’s only in the past 20 years have the Greeks had the ability to preserve them in a controlled atmosphere….I wonder if the Romans want their wall back

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18928

Jamie1952 wrote:

Another smokescreen by Sunak to cover up the far more important issues in the U.K. currently ?

exactly. who are really bothered one way or the other. didn,t realise they were not marbles in the sense we know they are. you can actually see rishi washi playing with his own set of marbles whilst we freeze to death.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6675

I,ve lost mine, As i,m sure you would all agree.

ToTheHartlepool2-0 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:08 pm **Posts:** 1333

Can we have our Steetley's chimmney and steelworks back please.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

ToTheHartlepool2-0 wrote:

Can we have our Steetley's chimmney and steelworks back please.

And the steelworks bridge.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7072

derwent wrote:

ToTheHartlepool2-0 wrote:

Can we have our Steetley's chimmney and steelworks back please.

And the steelworks bridge.

And the underpass into the shopping centre from Church Square, madness to close it off.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18928

Jamie1952 wrote:

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And the underpass into the shopping centre from Church Square, madness to close it off.

agree but other towns shut their underpasses before the council did. any now left will be seen as tourist attractions and the graffiti classed as local modern art with rough sleepers giving interviews and tours once a hour.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36396

accrington fan wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

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And the underpass into the shopping centre from Church Square, madness to close it off.

agree but other towns shut their underpasses before the council did. any now left will be seen as tourist attractions and the graffiti classed as local modern art with rough sleepers giving interviews and tours once a hour.

To be fair, no one was using it, for obvious reasons.

Hartleblue · **Posted:** Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:38 pm

Can we have Oates and Armstrong back please and a couple of big brute center halves.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36396

Er, no.

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:56 pm

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Can we not just send them the 'Elwick Marbles' and hope that they don't notice?

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5380

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

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Can we not just send them the 'Elwick Marbles' and hope that they don't notice?

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:57 pm

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

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Can we not just send them the 'Elwick Marbles' and hope that they don't notice?

Yes these were the marbles (allys) we use to play in the playground of Elwick Road Juniors. They fitted great into the grates that had small holes.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7072

Definitely a smokescreen, immigration and the Rwanda scheme is up for discussion this week.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36396

If you’re looking for a smoke screen, I doubt you’d use the Elgin marbles…..there’s hardly gonna be marches down Whitehall about it.
Besides which, half the countries so illiterate they’ll think the ‘Elgin Marbles’ is a kitchen worktop supplier.

Kettering Poolie · **Posted:** Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:29 pm

Jamie1952 wrote:

derwent wrote:

ToTheHartlepool2-0 wrote:

Can we have our Steetley's chimmney and steelworks back please.

And the steelworks bridge.

And the underpass into the shopping centre from Church Square, madness to close it off.

No- have to disagree, it was a sewer and always felt unsafe- even during the day. I used it when I went to the Art College on a daily basis for about a year or so, until they put the pelican crossing opposite Wilkinson's/ Binns Corner. I'm quite a big bloke- certainly wouldn't want to have been of the female persuasion using the underpass.

Brian Honour's Left Foot · **Posted:** Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:56 pm

Snowy wrote:

Jamie, this bollocks been going on for years, when the Greek President came over it was on the understanding that the topic would not be raised at this point in time, he chose to ignore that request, his problem
As for the marbles, they were purchased from Ottoman government quite legally when they were found by the side of the Parthenon after the local’s accidentally blew it up after using it as an explosives warehouse in the 1800’s. Other countries Slso got involved in removing artefacts legally as well by purchasing them.
Whether they go or stay I couldn’t give a toss actually,but the idea they were looted or stolen is a myth……coincidentally, if they hadn’t been removed they would no longer exist as there was interest in them at the time and it’s only in the past 20 years have the Greeks had the ability to preserve them in a controlled atmosphere….I wonder if the Romans want their wall back

Isn't it a shame that the pretendy journalists that we suffer today can't report these basis facts and don't get me going on Windrush!

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18928

Snowy wrote:

If you’re looking for a smoke screen, I doubt you’d use the Elgin marbles…..there’s hardly gonna be marches down Whitehall about it.
Besides which, half the countries so illiterate they’ll think the ‘Elgin Marbles’ is a kitchen worktop supplier.

you,ll have everyone googling that now to see if one exists. must admit i fell into the trap myself.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7072

Sunak needs another smoke screen as the Home Office officials have admitted they do not know the whereabouts of more than 17,000 asylum seekers whose claims have been discontinued.

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3710

Jamie1952 wrote:

Sunak needs another smoke screen as the Home Office officials have admitted they do not know the whereabouts of more than 17,000 asylum seekers whose claims have been discontinued.

The issue is of course is that it is absolutely no surprise! The Home Office is a byword for gormless incompetency. It is a moot point as to wether the HO employs woke lefties who are not bothered about implementing government policy or are they just rubbish at their jobs.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7072

When you apply and are granted a 6 month visitor visa (my Thai partner has had 3 visas) to the U.K. you pass through Border Control no further checks are carried out after the 6 months expires, no one comes looking for you so in effect you can stay as long as you like and work in the black economy.

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3710

Jamie1952 wrote:

When you apply and are granted a 6 month visitor visa (my Thai partner has had 3 visas) to the U.K. you pass through Border Control no further checks are carried out after the 6 months expires, no one comes looking for you so in effect you can stay as long as you like and work in the black economy.

I wasn't aware of this but again, I am not surprised. I guess when you outstay your visa you can still access free health care by turning up at A and E.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36396

We are indeed a soft touch

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18928

Snowy wrote:

We are indeed a soft touch

most of us with half a working brain cell know this but there are plenty who think we are not and think we should be even quicker to accept anyone into the country and give em more than they already get. if the boot was on the other foot and we went to where they came from its the boot we,d get.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36396

accrington fan wrote:

Snowy wrote:

We are indeed a soft touch

most of us with half a working brain cell know this but there are plenty who think we are not and think we should be even quicker to accept anyone into the country and give em more than they already get. if the boot was on the other foot and we went to where they came from its the boot we,d get.

Our trouble is the one’s now in charge are a product of a soft society and Uni’s that indoctrinate instead of educate.
They are gormless, gullible and have never got their hands dirty or really struggled in their lives…and really believe we all share their smug values.
The working class in this country are looked down on by all Party’s in a way even a Victorian industrialist would think twice about.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18928

Snowy wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

Snowy wrote:

We are indeed a soft touch

most of us with half a working brain cell know this but there are plenty who think we are not and think we should be even quicker to accept anyone into the country and give em more than they already get. if the boot was on the other foot and we went to where they came from its the boot we,d get.

Our trouble is the one’s now in charge are a product of a soft society and Uni’s that indoctrinate instead of educate.
They are gormless, gullible and have never got their hands dirty or really struggled in their lives…and really believe we all share their smug values.
The working class in this country are looked down on by all Party’s in a way even a Victorian industrialist would think twice about.

there are university,s across the developed world. do not know if there products are as arrogant as the ones we produce. from my experiance even in the distant pass change so much in personality after a few months as students and it takes years on end for them to become the person they were originally before they went. now its like football managers, coaches and players who really have no time for fans because either they have no coaching badges or have played the game at a decent level like them. do not think the working man will ever be forgiven for there vote for brexit when in their eyes their betters due to education wanted to remain.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7072

On Question Time last night one of the panelist’s said a university education in the U.K. is ranked the second best in the world ?

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18928

Jamie1952 wrote:

On Question Time last night one of the panelist’s said a university education in the U.K. is ranked the second best in the world ?

was that the degrees obtained or the whole package they are subjected to by brainwashing.

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3457

Jamie1952 wrote:

Definitely a smokescreen, immigration and the Rwanda scheme is up for discussion this week.

Will they be discussing why some of them have kicked off ,disappeared or been sectioned since arriving over here?

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3710

17,000 have vanished. Still in in the UK but Home Office are completely dumfounded. I mean, for feck's sake.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36396

Jamie1952 wrote:

On Question Time last night one of the panelist’s said a university education in the U.K. is ranked the second best in the world ?

Back in 2009 my youngest daughter had finished her first year and the course was unceremoniously dumped as the college needed the space for overseas (Chinese) students…£$£$… it was as brutal as that.
She went off and got a retail management trainee post and never looked back.

I always thought education should be available to our citizens of any age before we train other people’s students. Uni’s are just businesses, that’s why there’s so many.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18928

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

17,000 have vanished. Still in in the UK but Home Office are completely dumfounded. I mean, for feck's sake.

if they are living north of derby they,ll never be found because the area does not exist in their eyes.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7072

Snowy wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

On Question Time last night one of the panelist’s said a university education in the U.K. is ranked the second best in the world ?

Back in 2009 my youngest daughter had finished her first year and the course was unceremoniously dumped as the college needed the space for overseas (Chinese) students…£$£$… it was as brutal as that.
She went off and got a retail management trainee post and never looked back.

I always thought education should be available to our citizens of any age before we train other people’s students. Uni’s are just businesses, that’s why there’s so many.

Exactly young people need to realise a university education isn’t the be end and end all, one thing for sure Snowy your daughter is saddled with university fees.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18928

Jamie1952 wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

On Question Time last night one of the panelist’s said a university education in the U.K. is ranked the second best in the world ?

Back in 2009 my youngest daughter had finished her first year and the course was unceremoniously dumped as the college needed the space for overseas (Chinese) students…£$£$… it was as brutal as that.
She went off and got a retail management trainee post and never looked back.

I always thought education should be available to our citizens of any age before we train other people’s students. Uni’s are just businesses, that’s why there’s so many.

Exactly young people need to realise a university education isn’t the be end and end all, one thing for sure Snowy your daughter is saddled with university fees.

much easier said than done when even parents now put money aside for their days at university before they can walk. at least once a kid from an average family knew they had achieved something by gaining a university degree their parents never had by hard work and not just an extention of 6th form anyone can do like the right of schooling itself.

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3457

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

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Can we not just send them the 'Elwick Marbles' and hope that they don't notice?

fascinating objects when i was a kid mr P...lost forever. sadx

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36396

Jamie1952 wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

On Question Time last night one of the panelist’s said a university education in the U.K. is ranked the second best in the world ?

Back in 2009 my youngest daughter had finished her first year and the course was unceremoniously dumped as the college needed the space for overseas (Chinese) students…£$£$… it was as brutal as that.
She went off and got a retail management trainee post and never looked back.

I always thought education should be available to our citizens of any age before we train other people’s students. Uni’s are just businesses, that’s why there’s so many.

Exactly young people need to realise a university education isn’t the be end and end all, one thing for sure Snowy your daughter is saddled with university fees.

In this case no, they f#&ked up but wasted a year of her life.
Like I said Jamie they’re not places of learning but financial whores lining their pockets, that’s why there’s so bloody many of them,
Educate your own people of any age.

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