I know injuries etc and budget but we are 5 points off relegation and in round about the same position as the likes of fucking Wealdstone and Dorking
1 clean sheet all season and lost 3 more than we won

It’s really not good enough regardless of the circumstances

I said before I like Askey and want him to turn it around , just not seeing anything that suggest he will ?

He did sign Featherstone
He did sign Mattock
He did sign Hancox

What more do you want

It's a tricky one really. Yes it's a total downhill struggle but mainly down to injuries & playing young players every game. The players need experience but not burning out. They should be subs only to get a proper chance to find there feet at men's level. They obviously will make mistakes because they no fully ready just yet. My worry is it could destroy these young players before they get a chance to mature. Askey would have been fine if he was allowed to sign a few more players on full time contracts. The fact is he was not given enough of a budget to do this therefore had to get unwanted reserve players from other clubs and young players who had not played men's football. I am totally sure it would have been a totally different story had he had the help he so desperately required. No Askey has to stay but I do worry about his mental state. He is a proud man who is desperate for success here and has a good record of success at this level but how much more pressure before he cracks or resigns.

I’d like to see what happens if we actually give a manager time for once. It’s a results business and he isn’t getting them at the moment but his hands are tied with the wantaway Chairman. Look at the calibre of footballer that he’s had to bring in - Hancox can’t get into York’s team and we saw how poor they were last weekend.

It’s clear they’re still playing for them, we’re just not good enough defensively but don’t have the resources to go and make the wholesale changes to improve.

We just need to weather the storm with all the uncertainty off the pitch. I think new ownership will breathe new life into the fans and the club, and then we can use the momentum off that to move forward. Until then though we’re not going anywhere until ownership changes. Any new manager will just have to work under the same constraints and they certainly won’t have the pedigree that Askey has. It will be another manager on the payroll with Curle, Askey and the new one.Countless managers have failed under the chairman, Challinor was a one off. Askey is as good as we will get for me.

It's such a shame when we are still attracting 3500 crowds for a team that has only won one home game in two months. The supporters deserve better and it goes to show that had a certain person allowed DC a (Real) good budget when we got promoted we would probably still be in L2 if not L1 pulling in 6/7000 crowds every home game. Massive opertuity missed by short sightedness

It makes no sense to sack him given the flux in ownership and I want him turn it around as he seems a genuinely decent bloke.
That being said if it wasn’t for the ownership transition he would be out, he’s underperforming vs where we should be
Defender after defender brought in and we are no better etc

Really hope he stays and turns it around under a new chairman and stranger things have happened but it’s not looking that likely

Thank god someone else sees it my way. The only way getting rid of askey would help us if we had that new manager bounce for 4 or 5 games and we accumulated some points, otherwise were paddling in one direction. Some fans need to read that last bit. Countless managers have failed here? Why were not playing league one against massive teams? So whats the one thing hindering all these managers? Somewhere along the line their is a common denominator.

Short sightedness id call it closer to clulessness.

Yes and probobly still making some money back on top of that, any manager given the funds after we got promoted would of done ok because we already had the makings of a half decent team, if someone shows a tiny bit of ambition here now, 5000 to 6000 will turn up.

Notice yet another club taken over this week in Carlisle, added 4000 to their crowd immediately.

our problem is we are shopping in the same stores as the other strugglers are. just sack him, bring yet another manager in and we,ll be no better. only challinor got lucky and changed us for the better for years. we need someone at the club with deaper pockets than raj and have needed it for a few seasons now. not going to put everything on him as i do not think he has the cash to push the club further now or in the past. a bit like the wife who wants to keep up with the jones,s but the jones have far more cash to give em the lifestyle she wants. at least askey has done the job at this level and our replacement would more than likely be someone from a youth set up attempting to further a career they are not really up to.

Do we need someone with deeper pockets? Raj got us promoted before.Halifax, aldershot, altrincham, barnet, Gateshead dont have deep pockets either. Hire the right people in the right jobs, build on decent players that you have and not sell anything and everything. Maybe when your in league 2 or want to battle with chesterfield you need deep pockets.

possibly he could have spent more on better players instead of reducing our debt and making it even bigger than it is. the extra gates we would get would only cover the obvious extra wages we would be paying. the bloke wants to find a buyer. it would have been even harder than it seems at the moment with even higher debts they,have to pay off before the club moves foreward. if they ignored them then it would be a step into our oblivion to be the NE version of new brighton.

It’s not how much you spend, it’s what you spend it on. The teams you refer to haven’t got deep pockets…. it’s down to getting the managerial post right.
I don’t think Askey is up to it, he has a certain way of operating, but it ain’t working, I’ve been patient, but at the end of the day the results speak for them selves…he looked the Messiah, but he ain’t it would appear.

its fine but how many do we have to appoint and then sack losing even more money on compo with the hope of getng it right one day. the one i,d loke to know about is gateshead and how they constantly seem to find good players. is it what i imagine that their scouting system is far superior to the one pools have got. the other 4 mentioned have an easier task than us with so many other teams around in the area they play do not need a real top scouting network. we need to get there first before agents give us the dross they have on their books. the fact is askey has brought a few good players into the club and a couple have improved since his arrival. possibly more than challinor did who actually stayed the course.

So who you going to appoint now? Who will be the next to take the wrap for the mess the clubs in? You have been ridiculously patient over the chairman but why arent you giving askey the chance to turn things round? A guy thats won this league and had us top after 5 or 6 games. Who can work wonders at this club? How many managers do you want to have on the pay roll? Has hignett even been paid off yet?

You appear to think raj wont pay for any players so why will he sack another manager?

It might be controversial but I would "rest" JA for a couple of games, particularly the Trophy v City of Liverpool and let Sweeney handle the coaching & team selection during this period.

JA has the chance then to recharge his battery and "watch" proceedings without having the "pressure" of managing the team.

It would probably do the players good too!

One point that is being missed, a big percentage of income over the past couple of years has gone not to the manager but to paying debts both to sage and prestige group. Had that money gone to the team we would still be in the league.

Mike Wiilamson has left Gateshead and gone to MK Dons.

doubt he did every single job at gateshead though as he would for sure have had his helpers with some never named for the credit they did or even want it for that matter.

Good point but it beggars believe he paid his own company at a time he also had to pay sage. Surely the man could have sat back for a while until he had paid off sage whilst still building the club up before getting his dosh back. Not like he is struggling financially like most of the supporters are. It makes you wonder if Raj was always going to get his cash out as quick as possible then sell to the highest bidder for a profit on his investment. If that's true he played Russian Roulette with our club and lost by getting relegated which also hacked his plans to sell for profit. Maybe that's the real reason behind why he blamed the fans for driving him out and now just wants his cash back quickly.

I see what you’re saying and not falling for something that dumb…we know who you’re having your tired old habitual dig at…..he’s like Kryptonite to you.
Sad really.

The sad thing is you wanting another manager changed,yet another manager on the wage bill, a man proven at non league level. How many more managers need to be sacked before the penny drops? Who are you going to get as his replacement? Who is any better? Where you going to find the money to get someone in?

I would have thought The Prestige Group would paying Pools for putting the name on their shirts ?

Why are we behind Halifax if that is true after taking their best player off them through a better budget ?
I don’t think budget is an excuse for everything

And a few on here would be left twiddling their thumbs.

Great point and a valid one.
Some think Raj got the club for nowt and like to conveniently forget the debt he inherited.

And no i,m not a Raj fan, But will always thank him for stepping in when THE CLUB had no one.
Another thing he is not given credit for. Some really do where blinkers.

You been asleep for a while Jamie

Personally I’d like to see him leave. He’s had one promotion at Macclesfield and one at York from the national league north. Other clubs he’s been at he’s been sacked.
Very overrated manager as far as I am concerned.
I also find it hard to believe that clubs such as Gateshead, Bromley, Barnet, Aldershot etc have bigger budgets than pools.
He’s dull and rarely has an option 2. Yes he’s had injuries but I’m sure other clubs will have as well.
I for one won’t be sorry to see him go.
Who would I give the job to?
I really don’t t know but it surely can’t get any worse if he did leave the club.

Some decisions of his I do question, I mean of the two defenders out on loan which one would I have brought back, Pruti or Burton, well Pruti for me in our position, someone who has experience of playing for us in Lg.2 or a youngster with little experience above NLN, seems puzzling.

We had two young lads at centre half BUT so did Bromley, there's just looked a lot stronger and better organised than ours! Other than Burton and Johnson there was plenty experience in our side yesterday.

Asked almost turned Hartley and Curles sows ears into a silk purse last season. Don't understand why he doesn't look half as good a manager this season?

I just think who are we going to get in that’s going to do better. Every manager under the current regime has failed apart from the very obvious exception. Bates, Money, Hignett, Lee, Hartley and Curle are all very different managers at different points of their careers and yet none have worked. A bit of stability and aiming for a mid table finish would probably be better for the club than rolling the dice again.

Totally agree, steady the ship and hopefully get shot of some dead wood ready for a push for promotion. Not many relegated teams do well their first season in this league possibly due to the same problem as us, players here who are not good enough but have contracts with a year to run.

When have Pools EVER averaged home gates of 6/7000 in a full season? We've only topped 5,000 three times in the last 21 seasons - the Cardiff play-off season, the League One season before that and the Danny Wilson promotion season.

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Yes, there's every chance Pools would be pulling in 5,000+ again if we were still in the Football League and doing well, but enough of the plucking figures out of thin air please.

Every defeat restarts the same 'It's all the chairman's fault v It's all the manager's fault' argument. The truth is they both have to shoulder some of the blame, and many of the players too.

And regardless of budgets, DC would have still left when he did for Stockport - the same as he'll leave them when a Championship club comes knocking with a bigger wage packet.
Which ironically puts the start of our latest demise squarely at DCs door doesn't it?

Most clubs promoted from this league have took several years to get their act together and build a team capable of promotion…why some people think we should go straight back up based on the simplistic theory of throwing money at the problem is naive.
I think the rebuilding should also involve building an ethos at the club and buy players that fit in with your way of playing.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d be happy to settle for mid table stability and have been from the start of the season because teams unusually need to refocus after relegation and restructure, but even mid table is suddenly looking a bit twitchy, the whole playing side of things needs a rocket up the arse.

I think we would all take mid table now. The play offs is a pipe dream with this lot. Lets get to 50 points build on mancini, dodds and deseruwe next year and start again.

that was my wish before a ball was kicked this season. i revised my hopes when we were doing well. still think wwe,d have been up there if it was finney and paterson out for a long period and not the pair that was. wonder also how wemd look with just one central defender coming in who could defend, organise and captain the side properly on the pitch. one man can make a difference on the pitch if you get lucky with the right man.

its the modern way. sack the board or the manager. how many times is there a big change because the fans have their way.