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 Post subject: Re: Alty v Pools
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 8:12 am 
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fckpoolie wrote:
Could someone please tell Josh to turn around and face the oppositions goal instead of constantly having his back to it wrestling with defenders.

I'm no Bobby Robson but I reckon that facing the right way will improve his chances of looking like the pacy goal scoring machine he was a year ago.

That's what I've said.

He should learn to back off a quarter of a yard and us his skill and pace to beat the defence. Therefore he may get a foul given.
Unfortunately, he gets nothing as he's sucked into stupid challenges and then wrestles with the defender and the defender goes down like a bag of potatoes and cons the ref for a foul.
I'll be shouting at him on Saturday to back off the defender. :P


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko75WF1b9sI

Great first goal and then give a sloppy one away, seems to be a pattern.

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Great first goal and then give a sloppy one away, seems to be a pattern.


That pass from Burton was top drawer.
However there is a pattern here. The majority of our defenders are very creative and good going forward and Askey appears to like that but when it comes to defensive qualities they appear lacking. Defenders should be good at defending and if they can also play a bit of creating as well, all well and good but first and foremost they are supposed to be stoppers. I don't want to insult JA but I'm getting the impression that he sees it the other way round.

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derwent wrote:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko75WF1b9sI

Great first goal and then give a sloppy one away, seems to be a pattern.


That pass from Burton was top drawer.
However there is a pattern here. The majority of our defenders are very creative and good going forward and Askey appears to like that but when it comes to defensive qualities they appear lacking. Defenders should be good at defending and if they can also play a bit of creating as well, all well and good but first and foremost they are supposed to be stoppers. I don't want to insult JA but I'm getting the impression that he sees it the other way round.

could be because the game has changed and managers are not keen on the old stopper type of defender who would be happier punting the ball on clarence road at every opportunity. its not as if we see that type in other sides either but theirs seem less inclined to make mistakes where we have to work for what we get and the opposition gets gifts for their efforts. its not just defenders who have to defend its the mid field and those up top have to do their share but most are sorely lacking this in their play. there second last night was not down to our defence but started with crawfords sliced weak clearance. something he never does when we are attacking.


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 Post subject: Re: Alty v Pools
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accrington fan wrote:
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Hartleblue wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko75WF1b9sI

Great first goal and then give a sloppy one away, seems to be a pattern.


That pass from Burton was top drawer.
However there is a pattern here. The majority of our defenders are very creative and good going forward and Askey appears to like that but when it comes to defensive qualities they appear lacking. Defenders should be good at defending and if they can also play a bit of creating as well, all well and good but first and foremost they are supposed to be stoppers. I don't want to insult JA but I'm getting the impression that he sees it the other way round.

could be because the game has changed and managers are not keen on the old stopper type of defender who would be happier punting the ball on clarence road at every opportunity. its not as if we see that type in other sides either but theirs seem less inclined to make mistakes where we have to work for what we get and the opposition gets gifts for their efforts. its not just defenders who have to defend its the mid field and those up top have to do their share but most are sorely lacking this in their play. there second last night was not down to our defence but started with crawfords sliced weak clearance. something he never does when we are attacking.


Yeah but most managers spout about doing the dirty side of the job, as well as the glamourous side. Also, in this league, most teams seem to do the defensive side better than us. Our set piece work in both boxes is verging on woeful. We can't stop crosses to save our lives. All these problems are "on the pitch" problems and are down to the players and the coaching staff.
You mention Crawford, he has weak moments in attack, his mis placed header against Woking, his distribution in the second half against Oxford are just two examples.
Askey needs to get more out of his players when it comes to the less glamourous work. That is the manager's achilles heel and it is being exploited by more and more opposition managers.

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Yeah but most managers spout about doing the dirty side of the job, as well as the glamourous side. Also, in this league, most teams seem to do the defensive side better than us. Our set piece work in both boxes is verging on woeful. We can't stop crosses to save our lives. All these problems are "on the pitch" problems and are down to the players and the coaching staff.

Askey needs to get more out of his players when it comes to the less glamourous work. That is the manager's achilles heel and it is being exploited by more and more opposition managers.

he could start by defending set pieces especially corners by putting those who cannot defend and are more of a nuicence for those who can defend up the field out of the way where they do less harm. that would release the same number plus one of our opponents in an attacking position and a less crowded box where the keeper could help more.


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I can never understand the tactic of putting 11 players in the box at a corner, put a player out wide near the halfway line and one on the centre line that draws 3 of the opposing team out of the box.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
I can never understand the tactic of putting 11 players in the box at a corner, put a player out wide near the halfway line and one on the centre line that draws 3 of the opposing team out of the box.


Agree with players on the halfway line, But i would have 1 out left and 1 out right.
If the oppo have the keeper back and at least 3 on the halfway line, And 1 taking the corner.
That leaves them with 6 in and around the penalty area.
with us having 9 in and around the penalty area = 3 spare players and 2 outlets.


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Definite penalty against Mani - suppose we should be thankful for small mercies with NL refs - at least he gave us a free kick.

Nah, the contact was just outside the box, I thought it was a penalty but the replay showed the ref was right, worse luck.

in real time at the time of the incident it looked inside to me. even the altrincham commontators seems to say they have got away with it. question is, was the game a point gained or two lost. at least it stopped the rot. we had most of the play especially 2nd half but somehow they looked more likely to score than we did. funny hpw our goals came from the 2 i do not rate.


Just paused it and it was inside the box 100%


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We’ll have to agree to disagree.

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I,m not picking a score till i see what Ozzy thinks, Fact.


While I am flattered you hold my predictions in such esteem it will much better for your self esteem if you dip your toe in the water of independent thought. Maybe gradually start to wean yourself off my predictions by trying your own...maybe post yours before mine for example. Just a thought. If you cant cope with this just yet will be fully supportive. By the way, if i had made a prediction for the Alty game I would have said a 3-2 loss: just in case you were wondering. Still thinking about the Daggers game so saying nowt at the mo.


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Snowy wrote:
We’ll have to agree to disagree.

but you must admit we have had other shouts for penalty,s that have been turned down as well. in normal time its not easy to tell and the attacking team should always get the benefit of the doubt even if its us that suffer from the decision.


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We’ll have to agree to disagree.

but you must admit we have had other shouts for penalty,s that have been turned down as well. in normal time its not easy to tell and the attacking team should always get the benefit of the doubt even if its us that suffer from the decision.

I did shout for it but one my lads showed me the replay and the initial contact was on the line outside the box….. but I’d have given it.

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Snowy wrote:
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Snowy wrote:
We’ll have to agree to disagree.

but you must admit we have had other shouts for penalty,s that have been turned down as well. in normal time its not easy to tell and the attacking team should always get the benefit of the doubt even if its us that suffer from the decision.

I did shout for it but one my lads showed me the replay and the initial contact was on the line outside the box….. but I’d have given it.

would be easier for all concerned if the line was regarded as inside the penalty area and if the ball touches the side or goal lines they were out of play instead of the whole of the ball going over it to be out of play or a goal.


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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
I,m not picking a score till i see what Ozzy thinks, Fact.


While I am flattered you hold my predictions in such esteem it will much better for your self esteem if you dip your toe in the water of independent thought. Maybe gradually start to wean yourself off my predictions by trying your own...maybe post yours before mine for example. Just a thought. If you cant cope with this just yet will be fully supportive. By the way, if i had made a prediction for the Alty game I would have said a 3-2 loss: just in case you were wondering. Still thinking about the Daggers game so saying nowt at the mo.


OK
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Snowy wrote:
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We’ll have to agree to disagree.

but you must admit we have had other shouts for penalty,s that have been turned down as well. in normal time its not easy to tell and the attacking team should always get the benefit of the doubt even if its us that suffer from the decision.

I did shout for it but one my lads showed me the replay and the initial contact was on the line outside the box….. but I’d have given it.


If its on the line, Its a penalty.
The line is part of the penalty area, FA rules not mine.

For what its worth there was contact on the line, But the foul took place in the area imho.


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in real time watching it was a nailed on penalty for me. think the altrincham commentators seemed relieved the ref chickened out. would be interesting with a side VAR view what the decision would have been. from behind you will be unsure even on slow mo. When any decision is made by officials they do not have to be 100 per cent certain of how correct they are. if so there would be very few decisions made in games. bit like a judges summing up to a jury in a court case.


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Was a stone wall penalty. He sort of half touched him on the edge of box, which isnt a foul, but once he was inside box it was blatant.


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If we go by the foul in the box yes, but he chose the soft option instead and played safe with the original contact outside the box, like I said above, I’d have given it for the multiple fouls… but that’s life.

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Grayhoundend wrote:
Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
I,m not picking a score till i see what Ozzy thinks, Fact.


While I am flattered you hold my predictions in such esteem it will much better for your self esteem if you dip your toe in the water of independent thought. Maybe gradually start to wean yourself off my predictions by trying your own...maybe post yours before mine for example. Just a thought. If you cant cope with this just yet will be fully supportive. By the way, if i had made a prediction for the Alty game I would have said a 3-2 loss: just in case you were wondering. Still thinking about the Daggers game so saying nowt at the mo.


OK
I,m taking the plunge Daggers 0 Pools 2.


Cant envisage the current team not conceding at least once. Going for a 2-1 win for the Daggers. Hope I'm wrong.


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Just seen it- and we're right to feel aggrieved, about the lack of spot kick- that's a shocking decision by the ref. Surely the linesman should have been consulted, or are we to assume that due to the standard of officiating in this league, that he probably wasn't up with play and was too busy blowing out of his arse, to have made the correct decision?


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It's virtually happening every game now. Needs a good coat of looking at but it won't get one.

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If we go by the foul in the box yes, but he chose the soft option instead and played safe with the original contact outside the box, like I said above, I’d have given it for the multiple fouls… but that’s life.

yes, but as burl ives used to sing, life gets tedious don,t it.


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accrington fan wrote:
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If we go by the foul in the box yes, but he chose the soft option instead and played safe with the original contact outside the box, like I said above, I’d have given it for the multiple fouls… but that’s life.

yes, but as burl ives used to sing, life gets tedious don,t it.

Not gonna argue the point :laugh: I got told off for insisting it was a penalty when it actually happened. :uhoh:

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the refs are giving Pools nothing - dont think we have had a game yet where i have been pleased with the match officials.

they are out for us and deffo for Umerah

no doubt tomorrow will see another mess


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accrington fan wrote:
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If we go by the foul in the box yes, but he chose the soft option instead and played safe with the original contact outside the box, like I said above, I’d have given it for the multiple fouls… but that’s life.

yes, but as burl ives used to sing, life gets tedious don,t it.


Who did he play for,lol


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Grayhoundend wrote:
accrington fan wrote:
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If we go by the foul in the box yes, but he chose the soft option instead and played safe with the original contact outside the box, like I said above, I’d have given it for the multiple fouls… but that’s life.

yes, but as burl ives used to sing, life gets tedious don,t it.


Who did he play for,lol


Big Rock Candy Mountain United FC.


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Grayhoundend wrote:
accrington fan wrote:
Snowy wrote:
If we go by the foul in the box yes, but he chose the soft option instead and played safe with the original contact outside the box, like I said above, I’d have given it for the multiple fouls… but that’s life.

yes, but as burl ives used to sing, life gets tedious don,t it.


Who did he play for,lol


Big Rock Candy Mountain United FC.

Weren’t they owned by Raj Mooseburger III and managed by Col D Rado ?

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I was watching it on the dodgy stick as I had nothing better to do and even I thought you were hard done by on that penalty decision.
I think a lot of refs at the lower levels are just on an ego trip and rarely consult with their assistants when they really should.
We had a few last season, in one a keeper handling outside the box only getting a yellow even though there was a clear goal scoring opportunity, the linesman had a great view but the ref was straight out with the yellow.
The ref was James Bancroft from Stockton, the same one who abandoned the Scunny v Buxton game despite telling the Buxton players and officials he had blown for full time!
When he used to run the line before his promotion to being a ref, he would quite often use choice language towards any criticism not matter how well mannered it was given.


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Snowy wrote:
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Snowy wrote:
If we go by the foul in the box yes, but he chose the soft option instead and played safe with the original contact outside the box, like I said above, I’d have given it for the multiple fouls… but that’s life.

yes, but as burl ives used to sing, life gets tedious don,t it.


Who did he play for,lol


Big Rock Candy Mountain United FC.

Weren’t they owned by Raj Mooseburger III and managed by Col D Rado ?



That's them except Rado got sacked and was replaced by Barack's brother Al Obama!!


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Well I never, I was sure it was Obama Bin Liner….. sadx

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Well I never, I was sure it was Obama Bin Liner….. sadx



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I was watching it on the dodgy stick as I had nothing better to do and even I thought you were hard done by on that penalty decision.
I think a lot of refs at the lower levels are just on an ego trip and rarely consult with their assistants when they really should.
We had a few last season, in one a keeper handling outside the box only getting a yellow even though there was a clear goal scoring opportunity, the linesman had a great view but the ref was straight out with the yellow.
The ref was James Bancroft from Stockton, the same one who abandoned the Scunny v Buxton game despite telling the Buxton players and officials he had blown for full time!
When he used to run the line before his promotion to being a ref, he would quite often use choice language towards any criticism not matter how well mannered it was given.



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I was watching it on the dodgy stick as I had nothing better to do and even I thought you were hard done by on that penalty decision.
I think a lot of refs at the lower levels are just on an ego trip and rarely consult with their assistants when they really should.
We had a few last season, in one a keeper handling outside the box only getting a yellow even though there was a clear goal scoring opportunity, the linesman had a great view but the ref was straight out with the yellow.
The ref was James Bancroft from Stockton, the same one who abandoned the Scunny v Buxton game despite telling the Buxton players and officials he had blown for full time!
When he used to run the line before his promotion to being a ref, he would quite often use choice language towards any criticism not matter how well mannered it was given.

its all down to the vagueness of a linesmans duties apart from the ball being in or out of play on the touch or goal lines. their duties should be written in stone and not the decision of a match day referee in how they should conduct themselves. this varies from having a total involvement to just doing ball out of play decisions. the assesor is with you when you give them there instructions and it will be the lino himself who gets marked down if they went out and did their own thing.


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All any referee needs is buckets of common sense, not a robotic rule applier with the charisma of an ‘Action Ref’ doll. :roll:

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All any referee needs is buckets of common sense, not a robotic rule applier with the charisma of an ‘Action Ref’ doll. :roll:

if you want to get on in the game they have to leave the common sense behind nowadays and follow to the letter what their masters wish. always remember they are only following orders and not making things up on the spot which many get accused of. those who refuse to comply will be stuck for life at the lower levels of the pyramid or parks sunday football or kids games. if i started now i,d be lucky to get an under 18,s match.


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