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 Post subject: Pre Season Fears...
PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:28 pm 
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...coming true

I said at the start of the season if the likes of Hastie, Patterson, Lacey, Crawford Finney and Grey were regulars we would be in trouble

Well we saw 5 of them today....in fairness Crawford (and to a lesser extent Lacey) have proved me wrong, but the other 3 are nowhwere near good enough.

Grey is tidy but so lightweight, and Patterson and Finney below the standard required

Askey has been f'd with injuries but he also needs to play his best team

Ferguson should not be playing as a left centre back to accommodate Patterson--the complete freezing out of Pruti needs to stop--especially post Dodds injury
similarly having Grey in front of Umerah has gone on 3 games too long at least--hopefully sense has finally been seen in that regard.

I also think we need a proper right back who can defend

Separately the Killip haters are getting a dose of reality seeing his replacements.

I think we are pretty fucked this season as far as playoffs given the 3 long term injuries unless we pull a rabbit out of the hat recruiting wise, but things change quickly.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre Season Fears...
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Sorry not impressed with either goalkeepers. Not a killip fan but he was as good if not better than these two.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre Season Fears...
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loyal_fan wrote:
...coming true

I said at the start of the season if the likes of Hastie, Patterson, Lacey, Crawford Finney and Grey were regulars we would be in trouble

Well we saw 5 of them today....in fairness Crawford (and to a lesser extent Lacey) have proved me wrong, but the other 3 are nowhwere near good enough.

Grey is tidy but so lightweight, and Patterson and Finney below the standard required

Askey has been f'd with injuries but he also needs to play his best team

Ferguson should not be playing as a left centre back to accommodate Patterson--the complete freezing out of Pruti needs to stop--especially post Dodds injury
similarly having Grey in front of Umerah has gone on 3 games too long at least--hopefully sense has finally been seen in that regard.

I also think we need a proper right back who can defend

Separately the Killip haters are getting a dose of reality seeing his replacements.

I think we are pretty fucked this season as far as playoffs given the 3 long term injuries unless we pull a rabbit out of the hat recruiting wise, but things change quickly.



Really good summary, although to be fair to Seaman I think he’s pretty decent as a RWB. Both goalkeepers are poor from the evidence so far.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre Season Fears...
PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 9:45 pm 
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Johnjo1 wrote:
Sorry not impressed with either goalkeepers. Not a killip fan but he was as good if not better than these two.

Maybe they aren’t, but can we stop using Killip as a benchmark, he wasn’t very good, full stop.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre Season Fears...
PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 9:57 pm 
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Snowy wrote:
Johnjo1 wrote:
Sorry not impressed with either goalkeepers. Not a killip fan but he was as good if not better than these two.

Maybe they aren’t, but can we stop using Killip as a benchmark, he wasn’t very good, full stop.


Who do you want us to use as a benchmark? Kevin Poole, Martin Hodge, Trevor Carson, Eddie Edgar or Barry Watling?


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 Post subject: Re: Pre Season Fears...
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loyal_fan wrote:
...coming true

I said at the start of the season if the likes of Hastie, Patterson, Lacey, Crawford Finney and Grey were regulars we would be in trouble

Well we saw 5 of them today....in fairness Crawford (and to a lesser extent Lacey) have proved me wrong, but the other 3 are nowhwere near good enough.

Grey is tidy but so lightweight, and Patterson and Finney below the standard required

Askey has been f'd with injuries but he also needs to play his best team

Ferguson should not be playing as a left centre back to accommodate Patterson--the complete freezing out of Pruti needs to stop--especially post Dodds injury
similarly having Grey in front of Umerah has gone on 3 games too long at least--hopefully sense has finally been seen in that regard.

I also think we need a proper right back who can defend

Separately the Killip haters are getting a dose of reality seeing his replacements.

I think we are pretty fucked this season as far as playoffs given the 3 long term injuries unless we pull a rabbit out of the hat recruiting wise, but things change quickly.


Personally, we've lost 4 games to teams who where in the playoffs last season and established teams, including Oxford City.

As for GK go, Killip was crap, don't forget we won the playoffs with James in goal not Killip.

So you written the season off already, at least you'll save a lot of money for the rest of the season. :grin: :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: Pre Season Fears...
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loyal_fan wrote:
...coming true

I said at the start of the season if the likes of Hastie, Patterson, Lacey, Crawford Finney and Grey were regulars we would be in trouble

Well we saw 5 of them today....in fairness Crawford (and to a lesser extent Lacey) have proved me wrong, but the other 3 are nowhwere near good enough.

Grey is tidy but so lightweight, and Patterson and Finney below the standard required

Askey has been f'd with injuries but he also needs to play his best team

Ferguson should not be playing as a left centre back to accommodate Patterson--the complete freezing out of Pruti needs to stop--especially post Dodds injury
similarly having Grey in front of Umerah has gone on 3 games too long at least--hopefully sense has finally been seen in that regard.

I also think we need a proper right back who can defend

Separately the Killip haters are getting a dose of reality seeing his replacements.

I think we are pretty fucked this season as far as playoffs given the 3 long term injuries unless we pull a rabbit out of the hat recruiting wise, but things change quickly.


Crawford is weak as piss.
And you really think Killip would have saved that deflected shot for the 2nd goal?


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 Post subject: Re: Pre Season Fears...
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poolie1966 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Johnjo1 wrote:
Sorry not impressed with either goalkeepers. Not a killip fan but he was as good if not better than these two.

Maybe they aren’t, but can we stop using Killip as a benchmark, he wasn’t very good, full stop.


Who do you want us to use as a benchmark? Kevin Poole, Martin Hodge, Trevor Carson, Eddie Edgar or Barry Watling?


How about Aaron Lee Barrett and Jan Buttz?
Both current custodians are amazing compared to those 2 jokers who played for us in League 1


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 Post subject: Re: Pre Season Fears...
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poolie1966 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Johnjo1 wrote:
Sorry not impressed with either goalkeepers. Not a killip fan but he was as good if not better than these two.

Maybe they aren’t, but can we stop using Killip as a benchmark, he wasn’t very good, full stop.


Who do you want us to use as a benchmark? Kevin Poole, Martin Hodge, Trevor Carson, Eddie Edgar or Barry Watling?

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 Post subject: Re: Pre Season Fears...
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Crawford has probably been our best player this season (of those who've started every game). Of the current fit players he has to be one of the first names on the team sheet.
If Crawford is the benchmark for weak as piss, where does that put Grey, Paterson, Finney?


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 Post subject: Re: Pre Season Fears...
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Snowy wrote:
Johnjo1 wrote:
Sorry not impressed with either goalkeepers. Not a killip fan but he was as good if not better than these two.

Maybe they aren’t, but can we stop using Killip as a benchmark, he wasn’t very good, full stop.


Im sure this seasons goalkeepers are JAs own signings.
They just as bad as Killip.
Whens this non clean sheet 20 odd games under JA gunna end. Because it was nailed on the goals for column had to end soonish.
Fact is Fact.
Small squad a few injuries perfect alibi i suppose.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre Season Fears...
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PTID wrote:
Crawford has probably been our best player this season (of those who've started every game). Of the current fit players he has to be one of the first names on the team sheet.
If Crawford is the benchmark for weak as piss, where does that put Grey, Paterson, Finney?

its certainly true that crawford has been our most improved player of the season so far. he makes the odd mistake but usually in attempting to do something positive. we have too many in the squad that rarely come out of a 50/50 challenge, those 3 mentioned plus hastie and cooke. you can have one luxury player like cooke in the side but not any other. no wonder we ship goals for fun and JA mentioned in his interview you more or less start defending from the front and not just the lads at the back having to do it. defenders are supposed to contribute to our attacking play so the others should do their bit in defending stronger.


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Finney was anonymous yesterday but at least he didn't directly contribute to the 2 goals, Paterson tried to take a man on (don't know why because in far better positions he turns / passes backward) just outside our box.
Not sure the keeper was at fault for the first with the wicked deflection and spin but definitely looked dodgy for the second.
Let's not forget at the other end Mani D had 2 great chances and Joe Grey another, theirs went in ours stayed out. 2 poor teams on the day.


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Small squad a few injuries perfect alibi i suppose.[/quote]

Alibi? No one's died as far as I'm aware

Unless Dolan, Pruti and Ndjoli have been bumped off as they haven't been seen for a while! sctatchinghead

I'm sure JA could have killed Cilla after his piss poor conduct - though believe he has now resurfaced in Dundee!


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Finney was anonymous yesterday but at least he didn't directly contribute to the 2 goals, Paterson tried to take a man on (don't know why because in far better positions he turns / passes backward) just outside our box.
Not sure the keeper was at fault for the first with the wicked deflection and spin but definitely looked dodgy for the second.
Let's not forget at the other end Mani D had 2 great chances and Joe Grey another, theirs went in ours stayed out. 2 poor teams on the day.

didn,t he pass to paterson though before he cocked it up.


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Kettering Poolie wrote:
Small squad a few injuries perfect alibi i suppose.


Alibi? No one's died as far as I'm aware

Unless Dolan, Pruti and Ndjoli have been bumped off as they haven't been seen for a while! sctatchinghead

I'm sure JA could have killed Cilla after his piss poor conduct - though believe he has now resurfaced in Dundee![/quote]
we have a small squad made even smaller by those 3 not in contention for a starting spot. no matter how poor we could be i,d hate to see dolan and ndjoli even making the bench. i,d go even further by saying dolan is worse than hartleys scottish experimental players and is past it in the same way as hartley was at the back.


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Kettering Poolie wrote:
Small squad a few injuries perfect alibi i suppose.


Alibi? No one's died as far as I'm aware

Unless Dolan, Pruti and Ndjoli have been bumped off as they haven't been seen for a while! sctatchinghead

I'm sure JA could have killed Cilla after his piss poor conduct - though believe he has now resurfaced in Dundee!

we have a small squad made even smaller by those 3 not in contention for a starting spot. no matter how poor we could be i,d hate to see dolan and ndjoli even making the bench. i,d go even further by saying dolan is worse than hartleys scottish experimental players and is past it in the same way as hartley was at the back.[/quote]

Pools have made it be known they have players who are available, basically transfer listed them, I can’t see any of those transfer willing to put a shift in if they are not wanted bu Pools.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
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Kettering Poolie wrote:
Small squad a few injuries perfect alibi i suppose.


Alibi? No one's died as far as I'm aware

Unless Dolan, Pruti and Ndjoli have been bumped off as they haven't been seen for a while! sctatchinghead

I'm sure JA could have killed Cilla after his piss poor conduct - though believe he has now resurfaced in Dundee!

we have a small squad made even smaller by those 3 not in contention for a starting spot. no matter how poor we could be i,d hate to see dolan and ndjoli even making the bench. i,d go even further by saying dolan is worse than hartleys scottish experimental players and is past it in the same way as hartley was at the back.


Pools have made it be known they have players who are available, basically transfer listed them, I can’t see any of those transfer willing to put a shift in if they are not wanted bu Pools.[/quote]



Helps if you do put a shift in though … gets you away quicker.

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Pools have made it be known they have players who are available, basically transfer listed them, I can’t see any of those transfer willing to put a shift in if they are not wanted bu Pools.

well if they do not put some effort in to get a starting spot which team is going to give em a chance. its bad enough doubting a players ability but doubting their attitude on tops makes em close to being unemployable.


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Pools have made it be known they have players who are available, basically transfer listed them, I can’t see any of those transfer willing to put a shift in if they are not wanted bu Pools.

well if they do not put some effort in to get a starting spot which team is going to give em a chance. its bad enough doubting a players ability but doubting their attitude on tops makes em close to being unemployable.


Most of the players available will have at least year on their contracts so they will still be picking a wage up.


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Most of the players available will have at least year on their contracts so they will still be picking a wage up.

that whats always annoyed me with the contract situation. all they need to do is their minimum requirements that stated on their contract unlike us in normal jobs who can just get fired eventually for wrongdoings. onlybway to get rid is negotiate some mutual deal for both parties that they,ll sign.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
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Jamie1952 wrote:
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Pools have made it be known they have players who are available, basically transfer listed them, I can’t see any of those transfer willing to put a shift in if they are not wanted bu Pools.

well if they do not put some effort in to get a starting spot which team is going to give em a chance. its bad enough doubting a players ability but doubting their attitude on tops makes em close to being unemployable.


Most of the players available will have at least year on their contracts so they will still be picking a wage up.


So in a years time have we got rid off the shite that some fans blame for holding our ambitious back which i understand vary from fan to fan.
The players now on 2 year contracts injured or not mite decide to apply the same philosophy. And a few will.
Bit of a dodgy cycle were players working under 3 or 4 different managers dont know whether they are coming or going.
Whats these same size or smaller clubs doing correct who aint owned by yanks or arabs.
Exeter
Accrington
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Clubs need stability, but some people want perfection and want it now….. but till you have stability you’ll have disjointed players and signals.
Basically you need some turmoil followed by a clear message of intent and time to settle down, not knee jerk reactions to pacify the biggest shouts.
Set a target, a system and get on with the job.

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