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A very interesting interview and his thoughts on Johnson and government, his biggest disappointment was he couldn’t stop Johnson becoming PM as he saw he was a disaster waiting to happen.
https://youtu.be/NpHkQst06K0?si=JM-f-EbIt9MSPxlK


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Jamie1952 wrote:
A very interesting interview and his thoughts on Johnson and government, his biggest disappointment was he couldn’t stop Johnson becoming PM as he saw he was a disaster waiting to happen.
https://youtu.be/NpHkQst06K0?si=JM-f-EbIt9MSPxlK

The bloke has the expression of a born again eunuch.
I’ve no time for Johnson but basically Stewart is woke Tory.

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 Post subject: Re: Rory Stewart.
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Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
A very interesting interview and his thoughts on Johnson and government, his biggest disappointment was he couldn’t stop Johnson becoming PM as he saw he was a disaster waiting to happen.
https://youtu.be/NpHkQst06K0?si=JM-f-EbIt9MSPxlK

The bloke has the expression of a born again eunuch.
I’ve no time for Johnson but basically Stewart is woke Tory.


I can’t agree with you there Snowy, a decent fella who has served king and country and knows a bit about life unlike the majority of politicians today.


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 Post subject: Re: Rory Stewart.
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Jamie1952 wrote:
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Jamie1952 wrote:
A very interesting interview and his thoughts on Johnson and government, his biggest disappointment was he couldn’t stop Johnson becoming PM as he saw he was a disaster waiting to happen.
https://youtu.be/NpHkQst06K0?si=JM-f-EbIt9MSPxlK

The bloke has the expression of a born again eunuch.
I’ve no time for Johnson but basically Stewart is woke Tory.


I can’t agree with you there Snowy, a decent fella who has served king and country and knows a bit about life unlike the majority of politicians today.

Well…. we can’t all agree, he went a bit odd after losing his leadership bid.
I dare say he’s a much nicer bloke than Boris, but he’d be a hard horse to sell to the public and can’t see him getting anywhere near leading a chimp’s Tea Party never mind a political Party.
To be blunt, MP’s with no future tend to mellow once they realise they’re going nowhere and get all reasonable and fluffy.

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 Post subject: Re: Rory Stewart.
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Jamie1952 wrote:
A very interesting interview and his thoughts on Johnson and government, his biggest disappointment was he couldn’t stop Johnson becoming PM as he saw he was a disaster waiting to happen.
https://youtu.be/NpHkQst06K0?si=JM-f-EbIt9MSPxlK


So he knew Johnson was a disaster about to happen but couldn't stop him and obviously, as he was a contender for PM, couldn't convince enough others to back him to do so.
In other words he failed.
This sort of revelation seems to fascinate you Jamie but for me it's just another loser whinging on about what might have been, could have been or even should have been.
He tried, he failed and we move on......So should he.

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 Post subject: Re: Rory Stewart.
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derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
A very interesting interview and his thoughts on Johnson and government, his biggest disappointment was he couldn’t stop Johnson becoming PM as he saw he was a disaster waiting to happen.
https://youtu.be/NpHkQst06K0?si=JM-f-EbIt9MSPxlK


So he knew Johnson was a disaster about to happen but couldn't stop him and obviously, as he was a contender for PM, couldn't convince enough others to back him to do so.
In other words he failed.
This sort of revelation seems to fascinate you Jamie but for me it's just another loser whinging on about what might have been, could have been or even should have been.
He tried, he failed and we move on......So should he.


He is no longer in politics, just promoting his book and giving his side of the story, I don’t think he is loser, he highlighted what is wrong saying a central government instead of regional authorities who are more aware of local issues.


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 Post subject: Re: Rory Stewart.
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Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
A very interesting interview and his thoughts on Johnson and government, his biggest disappointment was he couldn’t stop Johnson becoming PM as he saw he was a disaster waiting to happen.
https://youtu.be/NpHkQst06K0?si=JM-f-EbIt9MSPxlK


So he knew Johnson was a disaster about to happen but couldn't stop him and obviously, as he was a contender for PM, couldn't convince enough others to back him to do so.
In other words he failed.
This sort of revelation seems to fascinate you Jamie but for me it's just another loser whinging on about what might have been, could have been or even should have been.
He tried, he failed and we move on......So should he.


He is no longer in politics, just promoting his book and giving his side of the story, I don’t think he is loser, he highlighted what is wrong saying a central government instead of regional authorities who are more aware of local issues.


The words "promoting his book" tell me all I need to know.

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 Post subject: Re: Rory Stewart.
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Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
A very interesting interview and his thoughts on Johnson and government, his biggest disappointment was he couldn’t stop Johnson becoming PM as he saw he was a disaster waiting to happen.
https://youtu.be/NpHkQst06K0?si=JM-f-EbIt9MSPxlK


So he knew Johnson was a disaster about to happen but couldn't stop him and obviously, as he was a contender for PM, couldn't convince enough others to back him to do so.
In other words he failed.
This sort of revelation seems to fascinate you Jamie but for me it's just another loser whinging on about what might have been, could have been or even should have been.
He tried, he failed and we move on......So should he.


He is no longer in politics, just promoting his book and giving his side of the story, I don’t think he is loser, he highlighted what is wrong saying a central government instead of regional authorities who are more aware of local issues.

His fellow MP’s obviously did think he was a loser.

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 Post subject: Re: Rory Stewart.
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Another who went into politics to further themselves first and foremost, no desire whatsoever to do what should be the most basic but important task of any politician - to serve the people they represent.
We've a broken democracy in the main because of self serving, party politics.


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 Post subject: Re: Rory Stewart.
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Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
A very interesting interview and his thoughts on Johnson and government, his biggest disappointment was he couldn’t stop Johnson becoming PM as he saw he was a disaster waiting to happen.
https://youtu.be/NpHkQst06K0?si=JM-f-EbIt9MSPxlK


So he knew Johnson was a disaster about to happen but couldn't stop him and obviously, as he was a contender for PM, couldn't convince enough others to back him to do so.
In other words he failed.
This sort of revelation seems to fascinate you Jamie but for me it's just another loser whinging on about what might have been, could have been or even should have been.
He tried, he failed and we move on......So should he.


He is no longer in politics, just promoting his book and giving his side of the story, I don’t think he is loser, he highlighted what is wrong saying a central government instead of regional authorities who are more aware of local issues.

His fellow MP’s obviously did think he was a loser.


He wasn’t in the loop.


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 Post subject: Re: Rory Stewart.
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Another who went into politics to further themselves first and foremost, no desire whatsoever to do what should be the most basic but important task of any politician - to serve the people they represent.
We've a broken democracy in the main because of self serving, party politics.


If you listen to Rory Stewart you will find he did go into politics to serve the people, spent lots of time in his constituency going round and staying at farms.


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 Post subject: Re: Rory Stewart.
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PTID wrote:
Another who went into politics to further themselves first and foremost, no desire whatsoever to do what should be the most basic but important task of any politician - to serve the people they represent.
We've a broken democracy in the main because of self serving, party politics.


Not in parliament to serve the people i,m afraid.
There only to serve the ruling class, Which everyone should be aware of by now.


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 Post subject: Re: Rory Stewart.
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Grayhoundend wrote:
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Another who went into politics to further themselves first and foremost, no desire whatsoever to do what should be the most basic but important task of any politician - to serve the people they represent.
We've a broken democracy in the main because of self serving, party politics.


Not in parliament to serve the people i,m afraid.
There only to serve the ruling class, Which everyone should be aware of by now.


Spot on :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Rory Stewart.
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If he was in it to serve the people he'd still be there, he's out because his ambition exceeds his talent and there's more money to be made from books and public speaking than traipsing around pretending to want to improve the lives of us plebs.
Twat was whining about MPs being under so much stress they're contemplating suicide, there's loads topped themselves because of policies brought in by the likes of him and his chums.
Should just f*ck right off into a hole and stay there, nobody's interested in what a bitter loser has to say.


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If he was in it to serve the people he'd still be there, he's out because his ambition exceeds his talent and there's more money to be made from books and public speaking than traipsing around pretending to want to improve the lives of us plebs.
Twat was whining about MPs being under so much stress they're contemplating suicide, there's loads topped themselves because of policies brought in by the likes of him and his chums.
Should just f*ck right off into a hole and stay there, nobody's interested in what a bitter loser has to say.


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 Post subject: Re: Rory Stewart.
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Always preferred his brother, Rod.


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Always preferred his brother, Rod.

Aye Maggie May might…but Rod would :wink:

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Grayhoundend wrote:
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Another who went into politics to further themselves first and foremost, no desire whatsoever to do what should be the most basic but important task of any politician - to serve the people they represent.
We've a broken democracy in the main because of self serving, party politics.


Not in parliament to serve the people i,m afraid.
There only to serve the ruling class, Which everyone should be aware of by now.

its just hard to imagine any of todays politicians of any party waking up one morning and thinking yes, i,m off to be selected by the party in some town i have never been to because i have the best interests in all those strangers that live there. i,ll serve them all my days especially anyone who can further my career.


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 Post subject: Re: Rory Stewart.
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accrington fan wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
PTID wrote:
Another who went into politics to further themselves first and foremost, no desire whatsoever to do what should be the most basic but important task of any politician - to serve the people they represent.
We've a broken democracy in the main because of self serving, party politics.


Not in parliament to serve the people i,m afraid.
There only to serve the ruling class, Which everyone should be aware of by now.

its just hard to imagine any of todays politicians of any party waking up one morning and thinking yes, i,m off to be selected by the party in some town i have never been to because i have the best interests in all those strangers that live there. i,ll serve them all my days especially anyone who can further my career.


I think they might have done a long time ago but now it’s an ego trip, our local MP is very rarely seen in the town probably even less than the previous ones.


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 Post subject: Re: Rory Stewart.
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Down to the people to start demanding that their MP needs to have personal history with the constituency they're standing for. Ideally they should be selected from standing councillors who've proven themselves to be good at representing their wards.
Ridiculous that a party can select an Economics,History, or Political graduate fresh out of the box and slit them I to any convenient constituency to buy up the party rather than represent the people.


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Down to the people to start demanding that their MP needs to have personal history with the constituency they're standing for. Ideally they should be selected from standing councillors who've proven themselves to be good at representing their wards.
Ridiculous that a party can select an Economics,History, or Political graduate fresh out of the box and slit them I to any convenient constituency to buy up the party rather than represent the people.

do not think things are as simple as that. can you imagine some quiet local councillor who has done the best in history for his ward being selected as a parliamentary candidate. best you,d get is the noisy empty vessel. being at university should not be the b all and end oall of a person selected as we,d have lost harold wilson as a PM who came into politics via oxford university representing ormskirk where he might never have previously visited. surely he could have been placed somewhere closer to where he lived to avoid many who would have thought about the situation of pushing someone into a winnable seat more for the greater good of the party than the electorate themselves.


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The constituency’s are carefully selected, Mandy was selected for Hartlepool because it was a safe Labour seat similarly Blair for his constituency.


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PTID wrote:
Down to the people to start demanding that their MP needs to have personal history with the constituency they're standing for. Ideally they should be selected from standing councillors who've proven themselves to be good at representing their wards.
Ridiculous that a party can select an Economics,History, or Political graduate fresh out of the box and slit them I to any convenient constituency to buy up the party rather than represent the people.


Well I presume the fresh out of the box approach enables the required level of gender/racial/sexual proclivity diversity. No good choosing a straight white bloke from Hartlepool to represent Hartlepool. I mean diversity, diversity, diversity...right?


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The constituency’s are carefully selected, Mandy was selected for Hartlepool because it was a safe Labour seat similarly Blair for his constituency.

Dunno what the criteria was then, Mandy and Hartlepool are the biggest mismatch since Caligula married his horse.

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Ridiculous that a party can select an Economics,History, or Political graduate fresh out of the box and slit them I to any convenient constituency to buy up the party rather than represent the people.


Well I presume the fresh out of the box approach enables the required level of gender/racial/sexual proclivity diversity. No good choosing a straight white bloke from Hartlepool to represent Hartlepool. I mean diversity, diversity, diversity...right?[/quote]
we have got now all female short lists for some areas by i think the labour party. doing this stops 50 per cent of the population for applying therefore giving half the chance to get a decent candidate. can see this getting worse where only those who tick a certain box need apply.


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Do you know what Boris Johnson calls "Drinks and Nibbles"...............................................Lockdown......

that about sums up politics in the 2020,s.


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The constituency’s are carefully selected, Mandy was selected for Hartlepool because it was a safe Labour seat similarly Blair for his constituency.

Dunno what the criteria was then, Mandy and Hartlepool are the biggest mismatch since Caligula married his horse.


He was Blair’s right hand man so needed a safe seat to get elected and advise Blair on new labours policies etc.


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Ridiculous that a party can select an Economics,History, or Political graduate fresh out of the box and slit them I to any convenient constituency to buy up the party rather than represent the people.


Well I presume the fresh out of the box approach enables the required level of gender/racial/sexual proclivity diversity. No good choosing a straight white bloke from Hartlepool to represent Hartlepool. I mean diversity, diversity, diversity...right?

we have got now all female short lists for some areas by i think the labour party. doing this stops 50 per cent of the population for applying therefore giving half the chance to get a decent candidate. can see this getting worse where only those who tick a certain box need apply.[/quote]

Yep. some people think this is a good idea. Why is it no longer believed that the best candidate should be selected regardless of gender, race or what they do in bed?


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Jamie1952 wrote:
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The constituency’s are carefully selected, Mandy was selected for Hartlepool because it was a safe Labour seat similarly Blair for his constituency.

Dunno what the criteria was then, Mandy and Hartlepool are the biggest mismatch since Caligula married his horse.


He was Blair’s right hand man so needed a safe seat to get elected and advise Blair on new labours policies etc.

I know that, but was he compatible with Hartlepool …NO!

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Yep. some people think this is a good idea. Why is it no longer believed that the best candidate should be selected regardless of gender, race or what they do in bed?

You get the best for the job by casting the widest net, sadly the loons in charge of all Party’s have thrown common sense out of the window to appease their own version of a perfect world.

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