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Why don’t we do the same, you live in our country you abide by our rules ?o
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Never mind the dress, just ban muslims full stop. This military invasion of Isis fighters is seriously worrying.


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If we went into their countrys trying to take ovzr n building english churches.
They would absolutely fcuken destroy us.
Only a matter of time bfor they cause mayhem in Hpool n loads of other places.
Its totally insulting to the veteran's.


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If we went into their countrys trying to take ovzr n building english churches.
They would absolutely fcuken destroy us.
Only a matter of time bfor they cause mayhem in Hpool n loads of other places.
Its totally insulting to the veteran's.


I'm a veteran. I'm ok with mosques in the UK. I'm just not interested in shit human beings being in this country. Whether you can trace your ancestors back to King Harold or whether you arrived last week, if you're shite, you can do one.


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Never mind the dress, just ban muslims full stop. This military invasion of Isis fighters is seriously worrying.

being a muslim is just following one of many religeons. if you ban muslim dress they you have to ban all the rest of things associated with all the other ones. there is nothing to stop any of us becoming muslims if we wanted. if they had the internet back in the days of the crusaders who invaded eastern countries in a military fashion. its not muslim, christians, hindu,s and all the rest thats the problem its just all religeons that are a form of control with a promise of a future they cannot really give you.


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Whoever invented religion should have been stoned to death!!!!

there will be certainly more who have died because of it than anything made by man including revolutions. the real laugh is when there is a war with both sides saying that god is on their side there has to be a winner and a loser so the winner will continue to believe it.


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No chance of banning Muslim or any other kind of religious attire as now they’re campaigning to do away with school uniforms.
Here in my adopted country the kids all wear school uniforms, names embroidered on the shirts even down to the same shoes and the bags albeit the cost of the uniforms is a helluva lot cheaper plus it’s t shirts and shorts, no winter attire required.


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If there was a general good vs evil trend between atheists and theists then I would agree with doing away with religion. But there isn't. So I don't.


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I don't normally comment on these type of threads - But as a Teacher of 20 years, I find that comment astonishing and down right offensive, Leggie43 banghead

You're more than welcome to come and do a half term in my shoes- and then come back with a more informed opinion.

It's stupid comments like that, that make our job as educators even more difficult - that's without all the social work that has become the norm, massive underfunding and now dangerous buildings that many of us now frequent. :angry-screaming:


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In reference to the original post. They’re French, it’s what they do.
Are what they really doing in their own brusque way is saying you’re not welcome…?

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Kettering Poolie wrote:
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I don't normally comment on these type of threads - But as a Teacher of 20 years, I find that comment astonishing and down right offensive, Leggie43 banghead

You're more than welcome to come and do a half term in my shoes- and then come back with a more informed opinion.

It's stupid comments like that, that make our job as educators even more difficult - that's without all the social work that has become the norm, massive underfunding and now dangerous buildings that many of us now frequent. :angry-screaming:

the comment might be offensive to you and your school but the fact is not all schools are the same. there are many re writing history and putting forward minority sexual interests to kids who have no idea about many relationships or sex itself. drag artists telling stories to kids. history books on the shelves that are as factual as tom and gerry. one thing it has done is my lad monitors closely what his two are doing at school and shows a greater interest in their life there but not for the right reasons.


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Kettering Poolie wrote:
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School= brainwash


I don't normally comment on these type of threads - But as a Teacher of 20 years, I find that comment astonishing and down right offensive, Leggie43 banghead

You're more than welcome to come and do a half term in my shoes- and then come back with a more informed opinion.

It's stupid comments like that, that make our job as educators even more difficult - that's without all the social work that has become the norm, massive underfunding and now dangerous buildings that many of us now frequent. :angry-screaming:

the comment might be offensive to you and your school but the fact is not all schools are the same. there are many re writing history and putting forward minority sexual interests to kids who have no idea about many relationships or sex itself. drag artists telling stories to kids. history books on the shelves that are as factual as tom and gerry. one thing it has done is my lad monitors closely what his two are doing at school and shows a greater interest in their life there but not for the right reasons.


It's not just me and my school though- I've worked in many schools, and as a supply teacher too. To say that we as educators are Brain washing kids is simply out of order.
If that's what people seriously believe then stop bitching about it and home educate your offspring.

Don't get me wrong I'm no fan of he, she, they, shim- but surely anybody of a reasonable intelligence can see that Social Media and the media in general are the drivers of this woke/ snowflake, easily offended agenda.

Parents have to take a role in this too- SOME can be very quick to criticise the school, when they need to look at what they're doing as well.
Buy the kids the correct uniform/ footwear for a start - NOT buckling under the pressure of their offspring and their dedication to fashion.

I too am a parent of school age kids and so see both sides of the coin- I'm certainly no fan of promoting LGBTQ in Primary Schools, but recognise that in the Secondary sector where I work- the need to address these issues to some degree as we prepare students for the big wide world, outside the safety of the classroom.

That's not necessarily promoting LGBTQ but allowing young people a forum to ask questions and give them a safe space to work through these issues should they want to.


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really its a case then like it was in the past that there are good and bad schools and teachers and it ends up a postcode lottery to send kids where you,d like to send them. as for school uniform thats fine if the school said that say a white shirt or blouse, a navy blue blazer, trousers or skirt and black shoes. these can be purchased anywhere at the cost parents wish or can pay. some uniforms are unfortunetly more complicated than that with just one supplier who overcharges for a second rate item.


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Why does anyone give a shit about what other people dress like?

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really its a case then like it was in the past that there are good and bad schools and teachers and it ends up a postcode lottery to send kids where you,d like to send them. as for school uniform thats fine if the school said that say a white shirt or blouse, a navy blue blazer, trousers or skirt and black shoes. these can be purchased anywhere at the cost parents wish or can pay. some uniforms are unfortunetly more complicated than that with just one supplier who overcharges for a second rate item.


From my time teaching the biggest issue, as I see it, is the backdoor privatisation of state education. The Local Educational Authorities (LEA) that used to run schools were underfunded to such an extent by the Tory Government since 2010 that schools have been forced into Acadamisation, which has been an absolute disaster.

Previously when schools were under the Local Authority, they were a lot more accountable and if you had an issue that the school wasn't/ unwilling to resolve, you could go to the LEA to get it sorted. Resources were also more evenly distributed and shared across schools or channelled more to where the greatest need happened to be.

However the rise of the Academy Chain has ruined that and it's pretty much everyman for themselves. Schools are run as businesses and the funding is allocated to the academy trust rather than the school directly.

This in turn has led to a whole new level of bureaucracy where you've got advisors and CEO's earning absolute fortune's for doing the square route of FUCKALL for 6 figure salaries. Money.which should be going to the kids and building maintenance creamed off by the few.

They in turn make the lives of experienced teachers deliberately difficult to the point of trying to manage people out of jobs. Not because they're shite but because their at the top of the payscale and they can recruit newbees on a lot less money who they then break and replace.

You then have a less experienced workforce who lack the craft and knowledge of managing students effectively and consistently.

But the biggest bug bear in all of this is the complete lack of accountability and transparency from these academy chains.
If you have an issue with a school, invariably it will go to the trust - if they decide to sweep it under the carpet/ ignore it- your next port of call is Cruella- the Home Secretary.

Every school is different depending on local context. However there are certain Academy Trusts I would not entertain working for, both from what I've witnessed first hand and from scare stories of colleagues have had the displeasure of experiencing.


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Why does anyone give a shit about what other people dress like?


Probably human nature. There is a 1.7 trillion dollar global fashion industry.


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Poolies = racist


Clearly NOT a widely held view given we've had 8 players already this season in the first eleven

4 black lads
2 Scotch
1 French
1 Albanian

But you crack trying to stir up shit, where their clearly is none :angry-screaming:


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Poolies = racist


Clearly NOT a widely held view given we've had 8 players already this season in the first eleven

4 black lads
2 Scotch
1 French
1 Albanian

But you crack trying to stir up shit, where their clearly is none :angry-screaming:


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Think you're clutching at straws a bit.

Yes they're was an incident previously but every club has its knuckle draggers- wouldn't say we had anymore than anybody else.

The club dealt with it swiftly in a professional manner and whilst nobody who is half sharp condones what went on - the recipient of the vile abuse from a bygone era- didn't exactly cover himself in glory either by deliberately insighting the crowd both before and after he scored.


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Think you're clutching at straws a bit.

Yes they're was an incident previously but every club has its knuckle draggers- wouldn't say we had anymore than anybody else.

The club dealt with it swiftly in a professional manner and whilst nobody who is half sharp condones what went on - the recipient of the vile abuse from a bygone era- didn't exactly cover himself in glory either by deliberately insighting the crowd both before and after he scored.


Hold on just a minute , you mean using the behaviour of a small minority to label an entire group of people might be out of order and indeed quite offensive????? No way! :lol:


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Not sure what point you're trying to make here- given that's it's you who's digging for a bite?

As I said in a previous post - clearly NOT a widely held view that our club is more racist than any other given the players we have on our books currently.


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Not sure what point you're trying to make here- given that's it's you who's digging for a bite?


Possibly a bit subtle. My point was if you're going to make sweeping statements about reilgion and schools because of a minority, its out of order and potentially offensive (like you yourself said). Also there were attempts to label pools as a racist club because of a minority and of course that was just bloody wrong in exactly the same way.


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Take the Nazi’s though, elected to power so does the minority good Germans get tagged along with the bad German majority. sctatchinghead
Just a bit of contraryism for the hell of it. :laugh:

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Take the Nazi’s though, elected to power so does the minority good Germans get tagged along with the bad German majority. sctatchinghead
Just a bit of contraryism for the hell of it. :laugh:


You mean an evil SECULAR state? Interesting.


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Basically yes, a state with eventually the overwhelming percentage vociferously approved of an evil leadership, to the level of hero worship.
The irony being it was lead by a Vegan, non smoking, non drinking animal lover who liked children in the normal sense.
It was said by a German philosopher when Hitler took over that…’Party’s that start off in the Courts usually end up in the Courts’…how prophetic….Nuremberg46

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Statistics say by the year 2050 there will be more non Brits in the U.K. due to the falling birth rate among Brits with the non Brits encouraged to breed like rabbits.


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Statistics say by the year 2050 there will be more non Brits in the U.K. due to the falling birth rate among Brits with the non Brits encouraged to breed like rabbits.

depends what you class as a non brit. surely someone born in this country is as british as the next man even if their family tree only goes back 2 or 3 generations who were foreign to this country. go back to a period where a lot of us can just about remember wasn,t it catholics that got talked about as they seemed the ones with big families.


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This in turn has led to a whole new level of bureaucracy where you've got advisors and CEO's earning absolute fortune's for doing the square route of FUCKALL for 6 figure salaries. Money.which should be going to the kids and building maintenance creamed off by the few.

They in turn make the lives of experienced teachers deliberately difficult to the point of trying to manage people out of jobs. Not because they're shite but because their at the top of the payscale and they can recruit newbees on a lot less money who they then break and replace.

You then have a less experienced workforce who lack the craft and knowledge of managing students effectively and consistently.

is that the main reason that so many teachers leave well before their retirement date. know a few but not that close who have packed in years before they could have done that includes a headmaster and a head of a subject. the words, i used to be a teacher, is often heard on quiz and game shows to contestants that are in their late 40,s never mind 60 plus. once when people left jobs it was called staff wastage but now it seems to be controlled wastage.


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is that the main reason that so many teachers leave well before their retirement date. know a few but not that close who have packed in years before they could have done that includes a headmaster and a head of a subject. the words, i used to be a teacher, is often heard on quiz and game shows to contestants that are in their late 40,s never mind 60 plus. once when people left jobs it was called staff wastage but now it seems to be controlled wastage.[/quote]

Pretty much the case, Mr A.

I would hazard a guess that at least 95% of experienced teachers - who were teaching prior to 2010 (when Gove ripped the heart out the profession overnight) want to leave the profession- and it's NOT because of the students we teach. They are the big reason why people stay.

The ever increased pressure put on staff to get through OFSTED, creates paperwork for the sake of it, and is basically an exercise of arse covering for the Senior Management, most of whom are very ambitious and desperate to further their own careers by introducing 'new' initiatives which are FUCKALL about what is best for the students and very much about building their own CV, ready for their next promotion- which is why you get the churn.

I've been a Head of Department in 2 schools spanning 10 years previously - but not any longer as it's not worth the chew. This is because these initiatives introduced are invariably cyclic and experienced staff can see through it- making them unpopular when questioning the point of doing this shit that you've seen fail in other settings previously.

Trouble is when you go to an interview for a job as a classroom teacher - (when you're experienced), they invariably choose the cheapest option rather than the best candidate. That is unless the school are in the shite and need bailing out by a safe pair of hands.

Also the reason why lots of experienced teachers are on the supply circuit - but that has its own pitfalls- run through greedy agencies on a gig economy

You now see very few frontline classroom teachers beyond the age of 55.
I'm 45 with 20 years under my belt- I'm staying for now while my kids are still relatively young. However I've got potentially 23 years to go- don't think I'll make retirement at 68, if I stay. And should I really be teaching 11/12 year olds at that age? Reckon I'll be lucky to do another 10 years max.

The thing I always say is - There's NO better job in August - it's just the other 11 months! :lol:


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I don't normally comment on these type of threads - But as a Teacher of 20 years, I find that comment astonishing and down right offensive, Leggie43 banghead

You're more than welcome to come and do a half term in my shoes- and then come back with a more informed opinion.

It's stupid comments like that, that make our job as educators even more difficult - that's without all the social work that has become the norm, massive underfunding and now dangerous buildings that many of us now frequent. :angry-screaming:



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sctatchinghead Who/ What?

Could you explain further- haven't got a clue what you're going on about?


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Statistics say by the year 2050 there will be more non Brits in the U.K. due to the falling birth rate among Brits with the non Brits encouraged to breed like rabbits.




Our expertise in the withdrawal method is second to none.How dare they label us a nation of jaffas.


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Statistics say by the year 2050 there will be more non Brits in the U.K. due to the falling birth rate among Brits with the non Brits encouraged to breed like rabbits.


Think ya 5 needs changing to a 3.
They r coming into hartlepool at a premium rate.


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Our expertise in the withdrawal method is second to none.How dare they label us a nation of jaffas.

always tell my lad he,d have had more money if his timing in bed was as good as his headers on the pitch were.


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The Chinese are now concerned about falling birth rate after years of only allowing 1 child per family, here in my adopted country with the younger people looking at a career and the freely available birth control the birth rate has also dropped dramatically.
Year ago when a 16 year old had a kid in Hartlepool she automatically qualified for a Council house but some where along the line one of the governments put a block on that.


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The Chinese are now concerned about falling birth rate after years of only allowing 1 child per family, here in my adopted country with the younger people looking at a career and the freely available birth control the birth rate has also dropped dramatically.
Year ago when a 16 year old had a kid in Hartlepool she automatically qualified for a Council house but some where along the line one of the governments put a block on that.


Having 16 year oldspopping out kids and getting council houses isn't right anyway. Its part of a societal priblem that the UK got itself into that needs solving.


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Year ago when a 16 year old had a kid in Hartlepool she automatically qualified for a Council house but some where along the line one of the governments put a block on that.

you can understand though why that happened. the situation was getting out of control when mid pregnant teens were seemingly getting what they wanted and non pregnant lasses got sod all. think everyone knows of both types of cases that cropped up.


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