The wife just showed me a planning application in to demolish the Staincliffe and replace it with ‘apartments’ and a ‘wedding venue’ …I thought it was a listed building …it would appear not.
Shame.

Cranney who is one of the Seaton Councillors is currently running a campaign to get it listed, in 2008 they were going to knock it down and replace it with a new hotel as it would cost more to refurbish it, no idea why it never went ahead.

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/busin ... ide-hotel/

suppose its called progress. however it will be a sad day when it is without its exterior being kept in place and a monstrosity appears where it once stood. not too long ago the longscar monstrosity went only to be replaced a bit down the road with possibly another.

The report in the Northern Echo states a ‘million pound plan’….you can’t build a 25 bedroom hotel and restaurant and apartments for that much can you ….?……or should that be a multi million pound plan…?
It’s a grand and attractive building, I fear for what the replacement will look like.

Judging by stuff like that, journalists have no more grasp of any big number with a £ sign in front than a lot of football fans.

Mark Jones was the fella behind it, he worked with me at Hereema as a labourer next thing he owns the Staincliffe ?

It will be a very sad day for our town if this splendid building is pulled down. How much is the cost for the rebuild of the Wesley? Maybe 5% of that cost would be enough to do a proper overall of the Staincliffe.

Evertime I see the name Cranney and councillor in same sentence I laugh out loud. Used to play in goal for us many years ago but lost his place due to being off his head on blow every game. Used to smoke a hugh joint before every game.. Total idiot. The bloke somehow got into the council and more amazingly stayed despite many failings.

that bothers me the most about the whole subject. they should only be able to gut the inside of the building even if it costs more to do it. or are we not bothered anymore by looks and is it all about the money.

Is it the same Cranney?

I see those soulless apartments down the Marina and shake my head…I really expect to be disappointed with it’s replacement if the Staincliffe is flattened.

One of the Yuills family son in law Wilson I think his name was bought the Staincliffe years ago, first thing they did was build bungalows round the back where ther3 were tennis courts.o

This is Gordon Cranney at relation of the infamous councillor Kevin Cranney, Gordon Cranney is infamous for assaulting his girlfriend,
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/p ... on-3865898

No Snowy I know nothing about Gordon Cranney I seen the name Cranney put 2 n 2 together and made 3

I also only knew of Kevin Cranney, but after reading Jamie’s link to another Cranney in the the Mail it’s a bit concerning.

Makes you wonder how people like this get these positions in the first place

Loads of stories I couldn’t print as they are all allegedly about Kevin Cranney anlthough one I can anbout asking a Grandmother at a Council meeting if he had slept with her which he got censured for. He was on the Council the same time as Angie Wilcox who was jailed for 14 fraud offences involving a community group on Owton Manor. Cranney was involved with a Community Hub just of Seaton Lane, I think it’s shut now but loads of stuff including computers ‘disappeared’ allegedly.

Front of todays Mail features an interview with the developer, but he only mentions apartments. Will the aspect be as appealing….. nice sea view, but I won’t be holding my breath on the style.

does it have a good occupancy rate, is it viable as an hotel.They could keep it as an hotel and promote it more Maybe the Darwin suite or Panama suite . Rename Seaton Carew as Seaton Canoe and push the boat out.

There is a shortage of decent Hotel accommodation in Hartlepool, Premier Lodge costs an arm and a leg, Travel Lodge, a couple on Seaton Green and the Marine Hotel.
The article does say it could be a couple years before any development goes ahead, the current owners want to honour their current bookings.
Of course there is also the Wesley which has been dragging on for years.

The Staincliffe was hardly used for a long time & was just going to end up derelict.
I'm glad someone has taken it on,even if it will be houses/apartments.

The Staincliffe has character, pity it’s gonna be replaced by flats…..I hate the use of the word ‘apartments’.

The council have a full structural survey done before making any decisions on planning permission (demolition).
These owners may be telling a porky on its condition or have a dodgy surveyor who they have told it is falling down and for a bit of cash in hand will write anything in a report.

This building should be protected even if it requires a costly makeover in my humble opinion. Lets be honest since when have the council ever really considered the people of Hartlepool when making vital decisions about our town. The council gets new faces every now and then but the same old same old bad decisions keep on coming along the conveyor belt of taxpayers money. I can only think of two other stand out buildings in Seaton that are vital for our history and need to stay the church and bus station. If the council are serious about making Seaton Carew into a holiday resort it would make sense to keep the Staincliffe at all costs even if it had to purchase the hotel and flip it in a year or two when a successful business. South Shields is a good example of what can be achieved with a little bit of common sense. I few years back some American friends visited London and then came up to Hartlepool just to visit the Staincliffe Hotel and ask locals about the fascinating canoe man stories stayed two days went to the Staincliffe both days for meals drinks and dozens of pictures they simply loved the hotel and canoe stories. Like some one else pointed out Seaton needs to capitalise on the canoe story especially in America / China and Japan because these people would fill the hotel all year round whilst also visting the historic quay / Marina and historic places of Hartlepool. My American friend suggested to the manager to name the hotel after John Darwin and was convinced it would take off if advertised properly. The Darwin story will last forever its not to late to " push the canoe out "

I have this nagging feeling we’ll be getting a bland block of featureless flats with a twee balcony and a car park for the BMW’s.

A balcony would be great in Hartlepool facing the North Sea, it would be unusable most time of the year, reinforced triple glazed windows to keep the blasts of cold air from the N.E. a necessity as well.

Whoa Jamie, I’m on that beach every morning at least with Ratboy, the weather is just fine by me …I suspect I’m part Eskimo, but what the hell.
The dippers are nuts though.

i would much prefer the town to be remembered for its historical past rather than having monkey legends rammed down peoples throats and now canoes. a couple of things that do not show the residents in a good light.

the difference in a flat to an apartment is usually about 200 pound a month. do they have bed sits anymore or have thought up a poncy name for them as well.

or a mystery blackpool hotel type fire if they do not get their own way.

A bed sit is now a Studio Flat isn't it?

A bed sit has been up graded to a strictly limited edition exclusive single occupancy apartment in a condominium.
( Limited Edition, means limited to the number we can sell to punters)

Bedsits are now called Houses of Multiple Occupation, HMO, a few opening up round the town in the big old houses, people can’t afford the rent for a self contained flat/apartment.
Look on estates agents websites for flats/apartments/HMOs in Hartlepool, the cheapest HMO is £300, flats/apartments start at £400 up to £600.
£300 for an HMO with shared kitchen, living area and kitchen !

and expect more of them to pop up and the prices rise. demand is outstripping supply and not all to do with immegration either. so many small building plots around my way have been stopped and started which to a cynic like me is more down to finishing them when the prices are the highest they can be. one has been going on for 5 years now after they first cleared the ground for building. as a whole we are not a nation of flat dwellers and than includes the luxury ones. i,m afraid we will have to get used to them in the future.

Dont rule out a hotel for the leeches when they find out the North Sea exists.

With the high interest rates the builders will be stalling on new builds, which in turn could increase the price of older homes due to demand.
In 1976 I was paying £42 a month for a bedsit in York Road, nought flash, how things have changed started off by the sale of council houses which were never replaced creating a shortage of rental and affordable housing. Look at Hartlepool which had swathes of council estates built by the council, when was the last time any were built, oops social housing now.

for me it was the worst thing thatcher ever did was allowing council houses to be bought on the cheap by tennants without any form of replacing them by other new builds by them. as i have said before home ownership is not for everyone.

The Thatcher thing is a bit of an urban myth as my grans neighbour bought their Council house in 1972….when Labour were in power…..turns out that the Housing Act of 1936 permitted Council tenants to apply to buy their Council houses with ministerial permission.
Subsequently the House Purchase Act of 1959 removed the requirement of Ministerial consent for a sale and tenants only needed the approval of the local authority for a sale if they applied.
Thatcher thought it unfair Councils could sit in judgement so in 1980 all that changed was to give everyone the right to buy.
I still think they were given away and money should have been re-invested in new housing stock..

The government re invested it to keep the U.K. afloat, Thatcher liked to keep the electorate hungry, interest rates went to 15% then they wouldn’t rebel, the Falklands war a place no one knew about they existed saved her, she was on the way out but sacrificed peoples lives to satisfy her own ego. It was supposed to protect the mineral rights on the South Atlantic, up until now I don’t even believe there is an oil and gas facility in production and there won’t be ever due to the green energy policies.

i have always called it the maggie war and without it and the jingoistic press there was a good chance of her not being elected again. many in this country love a good war to kick some foreigners arses.

I’ll have to disagree about the Falklands….the Argies took their chance quite simply because the government under gormless Nott was going to slash defence spending..and they took it as a sign of weakness.
Funny how Tories love to slash defence spending.

thats one thing i,ll never knock them for. its just that many like the idea of us having a greater say in the world on this and other topics. just cut our coat as we need it to be and stop this attempt to be the beacon of world demecracy and we might even drop this net zero thing then as well as an armed forces for diffence only and not offence abroad.

Accrington wrote,
have always called it the maggie war and without it and the jingoistic press there was a good chance of her not being elected again. many in this country love a good war to kick some foreigners arses.

Trying telling that to people who lost family and the senseless sinking of the Belgrano, which was heading away from the war zone. It got the Tories another term in office at the loss of pointless lives. What was the U.K. defending, a few uninhabitable islands in the middle of nowhere that the majority of people had never heard of which is now costing millions to maintain for what purpose and at some point the U.K. will give them to the Argentinians like we did with Hong Kong.
How many people had the Argentinians killed or tortured on the Falklands, there could have been a peaceful solution but nope Thatcher went hung ho to enhance her popularity which was waning at the time. Watch some of the documentaries about the Falklands war, the U.K. we’re lucky, if the Argentinian bombs had all exploded on the ships it would have been a different story.

The Argentinians were too busy killing their own dissenters in their thousands at home if you know anything about the junta in Argentina. 30,000 political opponents ‘disappeared’ in the Dirty War with $50million of aid from the good old USA. That’s why the Yanks wanted it sorted amicably because they wanted the Argies as a buttress against communism in South America.
Your knowledge of naval warfare is a bit simplistic in it’s reasoning, Belgrano posed a threat to the task force and was sunk, you don’t send a cruiser with destroyer escorts into a war zone to check the fish stocks…… apparently you seem to have little concern for the safety of our vessels in this instance.
Your concern for the inefficiency of Argentinian bombs I find offensive.

Why is it offensive, it’s true, my concern about the Argentinian bombs not exploding is it could have cost hundreds of more lives of the British, this is a quote from the War Museum,

Fortunately for the British, many of the Argentinian bombs failed to explode due to problems with the setting of their fuses. Essentially, the aircraft were flown at a height lower than the fuses had been set so the bombs hit their target before they had been set to explode.

The Argentina’s might have been torturing their own people, how many of the citizens of the Falkland Islands did the Argentina’s torture and kill ? I can imagine you sitting in front of the TV singing Rule Britannia waving your Union Jack flag whilst hundreds on both sides were being slaughtered just to boost the popularity of Thatcher.
It’s a well known fact for the first time in history people were cheering when an PM died actually cheering when Thatcher passed away.

It’s costing the British taxpayer £40 million a year to maintain the Falkland Island where the population is around 3000 people.

You obviously didn’t work in one of the industries which Thatcher destroyed now putting the U.K.in a position where we are having to import skilled labour because there is no industry left to train them up apart from sending kids to a college and train them in a class room.

Actually I did…and like everyone else I moved on….and two jobs as well under Blair’s policies…and my dad under Harold Wilson
I just got on with it, like most people,…..having a chip on both shoulders doesn’t make someone balanced
Thatcher, not my cup of tea by the way, left office thirty years ago….what have all the politicians being doing with their time since then….I sometimes think they need her to hide behind.

Thatcher, Heseltine, Tebbit etc the same as you Snowy not my cup of tea but they were real politicians, we wouldn’t be in the position we are in today if they were still in power, the current bunch of Tories are amateurs compared to them. I am not that fussed on the opposition either, I think Starmer could be a vote loser, I don’t see what the Labour Party have to offer any different from the Tories.

We have been in the doldrums for since the 90’s….since then all Party’s have fuelled a rapid rise in astounding incompetence.
All the leaders of all the party’s are led by candidates of lifelong intellectual helplessness, piss house politicians whose bombastic utterances feed their own self importance but produce nothing.
Challenge them and you get self righteous monologues on how they’re going to put things right, but their ‘right’ ……not your version of ‘right’, but then they can’t, because they’re sailing on a different course to the rest of us.
We are ‘governed’ by illiterate middle aged students who in a lot of cases never worked in the real world.