If they are prepared to work, pay taxes and contribute to the economy why shouldn’t they be allowed to stay ?[/quote]



Just whereabouts are we supposed to house them all for starters? ..There's thousands coming over every week mr j.. ..and please don't mention our fruit and veg farms, most of us already know some of them might be handy a machete.

They are coming through the EU, which consists of 27 safe countries that they could claim asylum in. Why can't the EU take a shared responsibility for them, instead of allowing them into their domain in the first place and free passage through it, culminating in turning a blind eye as they paddle away from the French coast. The EU is effectively aiding and abetting their illegal invasion of the UK, whilst taking vast sums of money from our treasury under the guise of preventing this invasion.
There is only one answer and everybody, in their heart of hearts, knows what it is.
As for the illegals refusing to be rescued by the french, even they don't want anything to do with the EU. I wonder why??

This was pointed out by Dutch police about ID cards. I suspect the Europeans are more comfortable after their wartime occupation experiences of having ID cards which is an experience we were lucky not to experience….otherwise we would be comfortable with them.
It certainly wouldn’t bother me.

Just whereabouts are we supposed to house them all for starters? ..There's thousands coming over every week mr j.. ..and please don't mention our fruit and veg farms, most of us already know some of them might be handy a machete. [/quote]

I am sure ther some skilled people who arrive but we just put them in a hotel and ask questions later.

Agreed, why don’t the government issue ID Cards with your NI Number on them, most countries in the world operate the ID Card system.
In my second home ID Cards are mandatory after 8 years of age, the number is the same as on your the Birth Certificate. You can be stopped and asked for your ID, I keep a photo of my passport and visa on my phone which is acceptable when I am here.
Of course the day do gooders would say that’s harassment same as they do with stop and search.

I am sure ther some skilled people who arrive but we just put them in a hotel and ask questions later.[/quote]

If they haven't got any documents to back up who or what they say they are questioning them at any time will get us exactly where?????? They can tell us any old bullshit and i expect they do, so how exactly do we categorise them or should we just let them wander into our society to find their own way or level.
We are being duped by the EU but this is not the first time is it.

They might of course have been issued with ID cards in their country of origin, as it is common practice around the world but an ID card can just as easily be dumped as other documentation has been dumped.
If we were to have an ID card system and I too agree with that, how do we produce a card for an illegal invader who we know nowt about.

If you have no ID you cannot get a job because you have no proof of any skills to do a job above car washing.

I think ID's are a big step forward but in this day and age, with protest groups becoming part of everyday life, would the prospect ever get off the ground.
There would be benefits for the likes of law firms and others who benefit from conflict.
The only chance it would have is if politicians with guts and determination were behind it, backed by police, border controls and others.
I think Tony Blair was behind the last attempt but he soon gave up.
I'm fully behind the idea.

we might not have an ID card but have a NI one and a NHS one. just try getting a proper job or even a bank account without any form of ID. even a new fan at a football club has to have some proof of age before they can buy a concession ticket. if the boot was on the other foot we would get short shift if we went to the country these illegals have originally come from and everyone knows this if we destroyed any form of ID on arrival. it aint just the UK its the rest of europe thats too soft on em.

other european countries have more than we have though. our problem is the size of our country compared to the others who have more. one good thing about it is anyone living in a small town like most of us do will not have a real problem with them. they,ll end up in the large cities in the country making their problems even worse as the lefties will stop them being dispersed across the land in the same way they,ll stop em being kicked out.

Well ,we can't take any more down here.... do any run down hotels near you bunkerites need a spruce up??

loads at blackpool though and it could improve the front there without having them burning down and leaving big gaps. after a few weeks in that dump they,d wish they had stopped in a war torn land of their choice.

The Government website states "The number of Migrants detected".

I just wonder what the real numbers are?

Surprised no one has bought the Grand Hotel, you could get a few in there also the Hillcarter currently closed as well I believe.

The Grand is covered in scaffolding as I drove past early this morning….

exactly. who would no if anyone turned up at seaton at 2 in the morning or anywhere else on the east coast. need all those ULEZ cameras taken down in london and putting on the coast from southend northward.

"Car Wash" the song is a cryptic clue.. ..It wouldn't surprise me if they started to play down/ hide the true figures slipping over.

I have driven through Blackpool several times in the past couple of years and our lass asks me why I won’t stop…..it could be the pavement jelly fish in the side streets and dockyard omlettes that keep me moving. I hate the place.

can get there in just over a hour from my house. been just once in 13 years and the next time i,ll be back is if pools ever play there again. whoever put black in the name of the place knew what they were on about. have a look at walk on the wild side you tube videos who shows the blackpool the tourist information does not want people to see. watch it and you,d pick a week in luton first.

Never really liked the place, and them strippers on the lads stag do's back in the 70's were nothing to look at tbf.

You’ll have been on the electric soup, so through your hazy eyes it could have been someone’s great granny….

Hartlepool was riddled with them this morning.
Dont make out the south is there favourite paradise.

Aye. If I were running away in fear of my life I'd head for Hartlepool every time. It's such a welcoming town and the people (at least the ones on this forum) are so kind-hearted and empathetic!

Turkey takes in 150 times the number of asylum seekers as the UK. The vast majority of displaced people are still within the country where they are persecuted but in a different area, while most of the rest are in their neighbouring land.

41% of all refugees are children.

There is no such thing as an illegal asylum seeker. Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that has signed the 1951 United Nations Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim. The UK is a signatory to the convention.

In 2021 there were approximately 27 million refugees throughout the world, of which around 1% came to the UK, which doesn't seem particularly onerous or unfair to me compared to forcing them to stay around to be killed, raped, imprisoned etc. and to see the same thing happening to their kids, in countries like Syria, Afghanistan and South Sudan.

Imagine your own family lived in one of these hell holes. Wouldn't you do your best to escape, even if it meant living in a foreign land on a boat while living on less than £7 a day?

Your first paragraph was enough for me…..if you’re going to slag off and patronise the town and it’s people before your lecture, don’t be surprised if no one bothers to read beyond the first paragraph.
Your maths need checking too…the UK in November 2022 had 231,597 refugees, with more cases still outstanding….you say Turkey takes 150 times as many as the UK…if that were the case 150 x 231,597 would equal 34,739,550 refugees in Turkey according to your ‘maths’…..the actual figure is 3.6 million. Bit of a disparity there.
Turkey also borders these countries so a large number of refugees is not surprising.

Well said Felix.

Latest figures seem a bit dodgy to me, Sunak changing them to suit his purpose?

14th 54 in 1 boat
15th NIL
16th NIL
17th NIL

The government website even says NIL for today, obviously must have clear site of the channel and cannot see them boats heading this way.

Shall we set up a go funding page for the dear old RNLI who speedily race out into the waters to "save" these poor souls?

Don't tar everyone who posts on the Bunker with the same brush. If you pay attention, it's the same half dozen or so posters who keep threads like this one going. There's many more who choose not to get involved. Can't speak for anyone else, but personally I don't care to let political arguments get in the way of sharing my interest in all things HUFC with fellow Poolies.

Do it legally from the safe country they have landed in and their cases will be considered..What have they got to hide ffs!!?? . It's just common sense.

If the U.K. could set up Asylum Centres in France which I doubt very the French would allow it what would happen if their claim was turned down ?

My maths is indeed bad, but 15 times more refugees in Turkey is still a very significant number.

As for patronising Hartlepool, I made a point of not doing so. I've total respect for the town and all its citizens apart from Little Englanders like yourself, who can't keep your prejudices out of what is otherwise an entertaining and informative football forum.

You didn’t just get it wrong, you got it wrong by a figure 10 times greater than the actual figure
As for your knee jerk resort to the tired Little Englander digs and prejudice comments, I have stated on this board that I object to illegal crossings because legal applicants are being affected. Work it out…if I was either of what you claim I’d hardly be stating that would I? I like people who play by the rules in all walks of life.
I suspect you’re in a tiff over having your math”s ‘error’ being pointed out.

[quote="Felix"]Aye. If I were running away in fear of my life I'd head for Hartlepool every time. It's such a welcoming town and the people (at least the ones on this forum) are so kind-hearted and empathetic!

Turkey takes in 150 times the number of asylum seekers as the UK. The vast majority of displaced people are still within the country where they are persecuted but in a different area, while most of the rest are in their neighbouring land.

41% of all refugees are children.

There is no such thing as an illegal asylum seeker. Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that has signed the 1951 United Nations Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim. The UK is a signatory to the convention.

In 2021 there were approximately 27 million refugees throughout the world, of which around 1% came to the UK, which doesn't seem particularly onerous or unfair to me compared to forcing them to stay around to be killed, raped, imprisoned etc. and to see the same thing happening to their kids, in countries like Syria, Afghanistan and South Sudan.

"41% are children". Yeah I know.... what percentage of those are children in their 20s, 30s and 40s? We know their concept of childhood is not universally understood. The vast majority of the people arriving are economic migrants not fleeing war and persecution. How much war and persecution goes on in Albania? If they were really fleeing war and pwersecution they would go to any safe country, not travel across Europe to get to Britain.

LOL. Yeah, always in a hurry to get there before the French.

If only the French government could keep up with Interpol , mr j..What a wake up call for the naive that would be eh.

They looked nothing like Emmanuelle in her basque on the big screen,snowy...

Near enough for a big ship as my chief engineer used to say.

I'm puzzled as to how these people from 'hell holes' seem fit,healthy,wear nice cloths & designer trainers?

It will be interesting to know how the authorities are going to keep 500 single virile men under control on the barge. I have lived on similar accommodations offshore, like a rabbit warren. The rooms en suite were decent obviously only big enough really to get your head down. I can’t imagine the Rec Rooms being big enough to accommodate the 500 personnel, will they be allowed onshore to wander the streets, I think a few would go AWOL
They are talking about a similar in the Boro behind the football ground.

Its knocky off stuff. It's the cheapest clothes you can buy out there. The unfit ones are not well enough to make the trip.

We as a county don't have a disproportionately large number of assylum seekers coming here compared to the rest of Europe. They only get assylum if there's shit going on in their county. We are part of humanity and share the same planet, which in some ways is getting increasingly smaller.

I say make a legal route into the country to seek assylum. They're going to come anyway and if they are genuine what's the problem? Plus we've signed up to say we'll take folks anyway.

i,d guess they,d fit in more in turkey than they would here due to the weather and it being a muslim country. its not as densely populated as the parts of the UK where they,ll end up. then there are the women and proper children. just where are they all crossing the channel. we have gone through all this before on here with the same answers. the answers you never get from the media or politicians. why, because they know later on once their asylum status is rubber stamped they,ll arrive later with more than 41 per cent of what we already have. was always told to look after my own first which is what i,ll continue to do till i die and sod what the new age lefty,s think.

always think there is an agenda going on where these illegal and legal migrants are concerned. there are many on the left who would love borders to be pulled down where there is free movement of people across the world. if the present situation across europe goes on without a hitch they might get their way.

Local services all over the country will be feeling the pinch then and you can bet your life on it the first ones to moan about the government and the economy will be those lefties supporting the crossings.

no, they,ll just expect the government to raid the magic money tree like they do for everything else. just another cause for them before something else crops up for them to use the time they have on and wanting someone else to pay for it.

In theory "they only get asylum if there's shit going on in their country". The reality is that because they "lose" all their documents, they all claim to be from countries where "shit is going on" and because it is difficult if not impossible to prove otherwise many are given permission to stay when they should not. Also, the backlog of claims is so overwhelming, the Civil Servants are not checking claims as thoroughly as they should so the percentage of claims that are granted is much higher in the UK than in most if not all other European countries (a huge pull factor) Even when asylum is refused, we dont deport them. The Liverpool maternity hospital bomber was a failed asylum seeker.

I gather they will be allowed to come and go as they please, well it would be a breach of their human rights if they weren't. I dont suppose many will remain on the barge for long. I suspect that is the government's idea. They'll all just "vanish" so the problem goes away.

I have no problem with that providing it’s done legally for genuine refugees, I recently read about the situation pre war in Germany where Jews desperate to leave were refused entry by most countries, the Kinder transports being the exception.

Turkey will always get the most refugees as it borders most of the countries where they originate from and it’s just a case of crossing the border.
Not forgetting that most refugees to Turkey will be moving into a similar culture which will be a big pull for those with families not willing to move or adapt to unfamiliar surroundings, it’s just human nature.
It does beg the question should Turkey receive more help to cope with it’s burden.

they managed fine if they were seen able to contribute well to these nations or had the money. no one ever mentions those from countries who cannot afford the dinghy fare and how they are coping.