So announced today that Ben Killip is to leave when contract expires. Went out on a high with that penalty save. Not everyone's cup of tea but thanks Ben and good luck wherever it is you are off too. Let's hope that it's not a National League rival and that you come out for every cross and play a blinder against us.

Sorry, let’s hope to God it is a National League rival.

There is a god after all

You might not be saying that if we get someone who is not as good as him. Be careful what you wish for. I wish him the best of luck and thank you for your efforts

probably end up back at some NLS outfit id imagine

id be shocked to the back teeth if a League club took a gamble on him... but then again going off the last day you would say hes a half decent keeper should a neutral have seen him play

That's the thing at Pools you can't rely on them to find players who are better.

Oh jolly good.
You sir are either his secret love child, his mother or his agent.

Oh Dear

He’ll be either national league or league 2. Maybe a larger league 2 back up

There is no way he could have stayed. By all accounts his relationship with the fans behind the goal at the Vic was becoming toxic.

Can’t blame him he was scapegoated for having a garbage defence in front of him.
Some of the stick he got was ridiculous as well from Eddie Kyle
He wasn’t a perfect keeper but a lot better than some of the other shite we have had in the past

Before Killip we had Scott Loach. Was he shite? Prior to Loach we had Trevor Carson and before that we had Scott Flinders? I guess you dont rate them. There have been a number of others who have played a handful of games but the ones I have named have played a full season or more for Pools. I know you think differently but I think, Carson, Loach and Flinders were much better than Killip.

Best shot stopper in League 2. Problem those crosses and lack of height, we will do well to find better at this level.

Good luck to the lad hope he gets fixed up with a club and some coaching on his weaknesses.

So sorry to have to say this Mr loyal but I've always thought you have talked utter "shite" on here with your constant "scapegoating" of players like Murray and Lacey etc etc etc.
But that comment more or less confirms for me that as far as football is concerned you do not know your arse from your elbow.

If we followed your line of thought he’d be here till he’s seventy…. We’d be hard pushed to find someone not as good as him, four years has been more than enough.

So all the time he was here, he had a garbage defence in front of him…..? He was the problem…..crap keepers tend to spook defenders.
You criticise reasonable players and defend this time expired farce.

Both Flinders and Loach had lot of critics (not me) complaining of not commanding box but hey both had good careers after Pools. This is a common complaint against goalkeepers who find themselves with 6 or 7 giants in front of them at corners and free kicks.
I always remember Bob Moncur coming to Pools and found the crowed on the back of the keeper,Roy Tunks, and said if the crowds on the back of a keeper he must go.

Think he was getting stick for not doing or attempting to do the goalkeeping BASICS.

For Harrogate

Jameson P27 GA 44 1.63 per game
Oxley P19 Ga 24 1.26 per game

Though they did strengthen the defence in January and most Oxley games are end of season.

Which reasonable players have I criticized….this should be good…

Well at least you said sorry to say…all about opinions I suppose !

Yeah, it's quite bizarre how many people rated a keeper that couldn't catch a ball or kick the fucker in a straight line up the pitch, thank Christ he's gone, if he gets an EFL move his agent is a wizard.

He could consider changing Sport to Rugby.
One of those players who kicks the ball into touch.
But most probably kick it in a straight line.


And whats this Be careful what ya wish for shit.
A no ambition losers statement for sure.
A bit like On anutha day we could of won.

Anyone bought a Promotion yet again budget ST.
UTP.!

For someone who labours under the name loyal fan you have a habit of trashing quite a few players, put suddenly praise Killip….. but if you insist I will trawl through your posts and give you the evidence, just give me the nod.

its the short memory of the football fan yet again. he saved some shots and a poor penalty at stockport so he becomes a top shot stopper. fans forget when one goal he conceeded looked as if the ball went through him and at other times pools did not look in much danger till he cocked something up. keepers errors seem to be happening more across the game but there are errors and there are errors and the number of them made. he for me has only been around as long as he has because people thought he,d improve with age and the others like beeney we signed were even worse. thats before letheren is mentioned who i do not think actually made a save in a pools shirt.

Yes please, give me the names of some players who you consider were reasonable at this level this season you feel I have unfairly trashed you don’t need to trawl much just give me some names

I don’t think Killip was the 2nd coming of Gordon banks and would concede the lad on loan was an improvement, I just don’t think for this level he was as bad as some were making out

There plenty of goalkeepers warming benches or not even doing that at the big clubs. We have just had one on loan who did a decent job. I'm sure Askey could find another who would rather get game time than kick his heels.

For goodness sake Killip’s gone no one’s sorry get over it.

In one of your flourishes you described Featherstone, Cooke and Crawford as ‘weak as piss’…..and also said there was…’hardly an athlete among them’.

Joel Grey in your humble opinion dismissed as …’ just not good enough’.

another insight of yours was for ‘Jennings chased hopefully’

Just because you don’t rate them does not mean they are rubbish, opinions vary.

However, you did then contradict yourself then referring to Featherstone as being ‘like a lot of players he can be effective if we use him well’…..or about Cooke…’I assume we are keeping Cooke who is a tidy player’…make your mind up.

Yet….you rate Ben Killip as a league 2 Keeper.

I think those statements are correct, cooke and featherstone are tidy enough but not athletic, I wouldn’t play them together in a midfield, which would then be….if you also included say Crawford for example ‘weak as piss’
Grey isn’t good enough …are you saying you want him starting next season ? And Jennings ?

Not clear if you rate all of the above players highly it would seem you would be happy if they were all in next years starting line up?

Killip for me is meh, very good shot stopper at this level but struggles with high balls and has a mistake in him…. This is league 2/nat league level after all

Not crying he is leaving but think those who say he is awful are overstating it….but it’s all about opinions and it’s ok if people don’t agree

If we all agreed this place would be very boring.

No it wouldn’t !

Eddie Edgar super goalie la la lah la lah.

Aaggghhhh…. You swine, I’d wiped the memory of him from my memory and now they’re flooding back…

Check out footy stats.org
Confirms Killip is not a top shot stopper, 1.72 goals conceded per game, ranked overall as 225th out of 228 defenders.
Jakob 1.17 goals per game, 189th out of 225 defenders.

Interesting stats Mr PTID.
Any stats available on Killip for complete fuck ups/ howlers/ clangers per season or on a game by game basis?
Thanks in advance.

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... row/more/3

No stats but I'm sure most of us can remember a lot of his individual errors that have cost us, unfortunately for keepers their errors are always remembered more than their good games.
In fairness, we've had some really good keepers for comparison, the likes of Dimi, Hollund, Pears, Hodge, Harper, Loach, Carson, Flinders, to name a few. I can't remember us having one as poor as Killip who lasted 4 seasons.

Thank you for checking the stats Mr PTID.
It is a shame that these incidents are not recorded somewhere, because sometimes decent footie folk do actually tend to forget, especially when the odd good game surfaces from time to time.
My own personal view as to why we have had to suffer 4 years of Kalamity Killip is because of his particularly close relationship with a member of the coaching staff who has some influence within the club.
But be that as it may, let us all just remember the good times eh and be grateful he was no worse than he was.
Thanks for the memories Mr Big Ben.
Best hair bun in the EFL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6uup0ps1PU
https://twitter.com/BarrowAFC/status/14 ... 6798461965

Thank you for checking the stats Mr PTID.
It is a shame that these incidents are not recorded somewhere, because sometimes decent footie folk do actually tend to forget, especially when the odd good game surfaces from time to time.
My own personal view as to why we have had to suffer 4 years of Kalamity Killip is because of his particularly close relationship with a member of the coaching staff who has some influence within the club.
But be that as it may, let us all just remember the good times eh and be grateful he was no worse than he was.
Thanks for the memories Mr Big Ben.
Best hair bun in the EFL.

the bun will be remembered far longer than he will. a keeper who just did not look like one especially in the land of the giants modern game. surely the laptops must have shown this. less good games and clean sheets as a pre war doss house.

Nothing to get over in my opinion but we have to move on and we have to do that by recruiting a goalie that will adequately do a job for us. Until we get one there will be goalie related discussions just as there will be discussions/speculation over other positions of weakness.
It's quite normal practice amongst fans.

Nowt wrong with discussing past players, managers, owners, etc at all. Football is a results business, but it's more than that for us fans who'll always have a range of opinions. Besides which we'd have nothing to talk about if we don't discuss history because it's done, using that basis we wouldn't talk future because it might never happen. I'm sure Killip will want to go somewhere and prove us wrong and good luck to him.

better doing that than talking about anything to do with the future unless your crystal ball has been well proven in the past.

Unlike its host the bun was decent in my view.
No way did it deserve to be dropped for the last game of the season.
Way better performer than Callum Cooke's botched hair transplant.
Should have been kept on.

Ah, football stats. There's no denying how much they are relied on by all professional clubs from man City down, however sceptical the older generation of fans is. Last week the Mail published ratings for all 35 players used by Pools last season, using Who Scored.

‘Who Scored ratings are considered to be the most accurate, respected and well-known performance indicators in the world of football and are based on a unique, comprehensive statistical algorithm, calculated live during the game.

‘Every event of importance is taken into account, with a positive or negative effect on ratings weighted in relation to its area on the pitch and its outcome."

Needless to say they make interesting reading. Discounting players who only feature in a handful of games, this is their bottom 10, starting in last place:
Ndjoli
Hastie
Grey
Niang
Finney
Paterson
McDonald
Shelton
Tumilty
Hartley.

Not too many surprises there, except maybe Wes McDonald, who looked ok as a super sub but did nowt whenever he started a game. And here's the top 10, starting at No.1

Jennings
Kemp
Lacey
Meyanese
Sylla
Dodds
Stolarczyk
Cooke
Pruti
Umerah

Football eh? It's all about opinions. Except when its based on statistical analysis.

Stats are fine you’ve just got to know how to use them properly and not use a small sample size. Who scored ratings on the other hand are dog shit.
Using goals conceded to determine a keepers shot stopping is also not a good use of stats. I think people need to remember the level we are at and that we will not get a keeper who is good at all aspects. Would you rather have a good shot stopper who can’t kick or come for crosses or a good kicker who can’t shot stop etc?
(I think it was right for Killip to leave as it hasn’t worked for him this season before anyone calls me a Killip lover)

I was told our ex Head of Recruitment Mr Chris Trotter knew that a football was round but had never kicked one before.
His expertise was in statistics and data analysis apparently.
Like you say Mr Krampesh given the recruitment catastrophe since his appointment maybe he just didn't know how to use them properly.
Makes sense.

I’m not going to comment on Trotter as who can really say which signings were his and which weren’t without knowing the ins and outs of it all.
I’m of the opinion stats are a good guide for recruitment but should only be that. You should never sign someone based entirely on stats. On the other hand, Brentford and Brighton do stats led recruitment with a bunch of people who have never kicked a ball and that’s worked out quite well