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 Post subject: Whats the Sale Proce/Sunk Costs
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:17 pm 
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Has Raj put a sales price on yet?

I hope he doesnt think its 'what I have put in', when in reality its what's its worth now, which in pure business/money terms is less than nothing.
All its really worth is the emotional attachment someone may have to it/the pleasure it may bring someone in making it a success.
Hard to put any real value on that, but if Raj is looking backwards and trying to recoup the costs he has incurred, then we are in for a difficult sale, and the club will be worth less and less the longer this goes on.

I think we are in for a miserable couple of years...


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:32 pm 
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loyal_fan wrote:
Has Raj put a sales price on yet?

I hope he doesnt think its 'what I have put in', when in reality its what's its worth now, which in pure business/money terms is less than nothing.
All its really worth is the emotional attachment someone may have to it/the pleasure it may bring someone in making it a success.
Hard to put any real value on that, but if Raj is looking backwards and trying to recoup the costs he has incurred, then we are in for a difficult sale, and the club will be worth less and less the longer this goes on.

I think we are in for a miserable couple of years...


Well people were screaming for him to sell it. I think the price will be subject to negotiation and on Raj's terms. He's wounded and hurt and that ain't gonna make him give it away. When the dust settles and he suddenly realises he has got all the ball the cornered wounded beast in him will unfurl it's claws. He doesn't have to sell, nor does he have to attend matches.
Certain people have craved for his demise but they are not going to be happy with the result they are going to experience in the process.
Raj might be a lot of things but he's not daft, so he isn't about to lose money just to satisfy abusive fans.
That is the reality and it is staring us all in the face I'm afraid.

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 Post subject: Re: Whats the Sale Proce/Sunk Costs
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:35 pm 
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derwent wrote:
loyal_fan wrote:
Has Raj put a sales price on yet?

I hope he doesnt think its 'what I have put in', when in reality its what's its worth now, which in pure business/money terms is less than nothing.
All its really worth is the emotional attachment someone may have to it/the pleasure it may bring someone in making it a success.
Hard to put any real value on that, but if Raj is looking backwards and trying to recoup the costs he has incurred, then we are in for a difficult sale, and the club will be worth less and less the longer this goes on.

I think we are in for a miserable couple of years...


Well people were screaming for him to sell it. I think the price will be subject to negotiation and on Raj's terms. He's wounded and hurt and that ain't gonna make him give it away. When the dust settles and he suddenly realises he has got all the ball the cornered wounded beast in him will unfurl it's claws. He doesn't have to sell, nor does he have to attend matches.
Certain people have craved for his demise but they are not going to be happy with the result they are going to experience in the process.

Raj might be a lot of things but he's not daft, so he isn't about to lose money just to satisfy abusive fans.
That is the reality and it is staring us all in the face I'm afraid.


Amen to that.


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 Post subject: Re: Whats the Sale Proce/Sunk Costs
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:50 pm 
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what is the realistic price though?

What worries me is all the leverage he has is negative.

I agree he doesnt deserve mindless abuse, but also he is not above criticism---he has basically done very well for the club in the first 3 years and deserves credit for that--but made some appalling mistakes the last 2 and deserves criticsim for that---not abuse, i worry he may confuse one with the other


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 Post subject: Re: Whats the Sale Proce/Sunk Costs
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:18 pm 
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I look at the Yank who bought Chelsea which has cost him around 5 billion already and all he has got is grief but i suppose he bought prestige with the thought off owning such a club.
Now compare Chelsea to Wrexham.
For a couple of million quid all they have had is excitement and success ok its at a lower level how ever the achievement can not be underestimated and the story will go on.
I hope what happens at pools is like what happened at Gillingham someone taking up a challenge and being part of a club enjoy good times of achievement which wont cost a fortune.
Maybe I'm dreaming how ever you just never know its football after all.


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 Post subject: Re: Whats the Sale Proce/Sunk Costs
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:21 pm 
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loyal_fan wrote:
Has Raj put a sales price on yet?

I hope he doesnt think its 'what I have put in', when in reality its what's its worth now, which in pure business/money terms is less than nothing.
All its really worth is the emotional attachment someone may have to it/the pleasure it may bring someone in making it a success.
Hard to put any real value on that, but if Raj is looking backwards and trying to recoup the costs he has incurred, then we are in for a difficult sale, and the club will be worth less and less the longer this goes on.

I think we are in for a miserable couple of years...


Why did you think the first figure he mentioned was 1.7million.

Hes so transparent.


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 Post subject: Re: Whats the Sale Proce/Sunk Costs
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:23 pm 
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derwent wrote:
loyal_fan wrote:
Has Raj put a sales price on yet?

I hope he doesnt think its 'what I have put in', when in reality its what's its worth now, which in pure business/money terms is less than nothing.
All its really worth is the emotional attachment someone may have to it/the pleasure it may bring someone in making it a success.
Hard to put any real value on that, but if Raj is looking backwards and trying to recoup the costs he has incurred, then we are in for a difficult sale, and the club will be worth less and less the longer this goes on.

I think we are in for a miserable couple of years...


Well people were screaming for him to sell it. I think the price will be subject to negotiation and on Raj's terms. He's wounded and hurt and that ain't gonna make him give it away. When the dust settles and he suddenly realises he has got all the ball the cornered wounded beast in him will unfurl it's claws. He doesn't have to sell, nor does he have to attend matches.
Certain people have craved for his demise but they are not going to be happy with the result they are going to experience in the process.
Raj might be a lot of things but he's not daft, so he isn't about to lose money just to satisfy abusive fans.
That is the reality and it is staring us all in the face I'm afraid.


Think he left Darlo with Nowt, And he will leave us for nowt also, In the northern Lge.
But at least the club will belong to people who really care.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:02 pm 
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Pools will carry on.

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 Post subject: Re: Whats the Sale Proce/Sunk Costs
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:04 pm 
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derwent wrote:
loyal_fan wrote:
Has Raj put a sales price on yet?

I hope he doesnt think its 'what I have put in', when in reality its what's its worth now, which in pure business/money terms is less than nothing.
All its really worth is the emotional attachment someone may have to it/the pleasure it may bring someone in making it a success.
Hard to put any real value on that, but if Raj is looking backwards and trying to recoup the costs he has incurred, then we are in for a difficult sale, and the club will be worth less and less the longer this goes on.

I think we are in for a miserable couple of years...


Well people were screaming for him to sell it. I think the price will be subject to negotiation and on Raj's terms. He's wounded and hurt and that ain't gonna make him give it away. When the dust settles and he suddenly realises he has got all the ball the cornered wounded beast in him will unfurl it's claws. He doesn't have to sell, nor does he have to attend matches.
Certain people have craved for his demise but they are not going to be happy with the result they are going to experience in the process.
Raj might be a lot of things but he's not daft, so he isn't about to lose money just to satisfy abusive fans.
That is the reality and it is staring us all in the face I'm afraid.


If raj sticks about for long we will be in the conference north. Did he expect a pat on the back for the mess he has made of this club. He says it's a well run club. Can anybody tell us one thing that's well run. Are the bars well run? The ticketing system? The playing squad? The pitch? The rink end I'm struggling to see anything that's been well run. Maybe he means the pre season was well run?

He is going through the same system as he did with darlo, blaming anyone but himself. Then he starts issuing threats about the fan base, while season ticket money will once again be collected and we struggle to
fund a team for the start of the season.

Best one is he hits out at dave challinor once again before we play them. What if a miracle happens if we win on Saturday and crawley lose? Dafter things have happened. Let's just stir up the opposition once again.


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 Post subject: Re: Whats the Sale Proce/Sunk Costs
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:02 pm 
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Grayhoundend wrote:
derwent wrote:
loyal_fan wrote:
Has Raj put a sales price on yet?

I hope he doesnt think its 'what I have put in', when in reality its what's its worth now, which in pure business/money terms is less than nothing.
All its really worth is the emotional attachment someone may have to it/the pleasure it may bring someone in making it a success.
Hard to put any real value on that, but if Raj is looking backwards and trying to recoup the costs he has incurred, then we are in for a difficult sale, and the club will be worth less and less the longer this goes on.

I think we are in for a miserable couple of years...


Well people were screaming for him to sell it. I think the price will be subject to negotiation and on Raj's terms. He's wounded and hurt and that ain't gonna make him give it away. When the dust settles and he suddenly realises he has got all the ball the cornered wounded beast in him will unfurl it's claws. He doesn't have to sell, nor does he have to attend matches.
Certain people have craved for his demise but they are not going to be happy with the result they are going to experience in the process.
Raj might be a lot of things but he's not daft, so he isn't about to lose money just to satisfy abusive fans.
That is the reality and it is staring us all in the face I'm afraid.


Think he left Darlo with Nowt, And he will leave us for nowt also, In the northern Lge.
But at least the club will belong to people who really care.


He got a cut of transfer clauses on players sold before the administration


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 Post subject: Re: Whats the Sale Proce/Sunk Costs
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i would want to avoid any deal that involves future obligations, that has saddled us in recent years.


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 Post subject: Re: Whats the Sale Proce/Sunk Costs
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:51 pm 
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The Club is worth whatever assets it has less any debt at the time of the sale.

That in reality could be the sum of Pi Squared or better known as F**k All.


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Looks like he’ll have to pay someone to take it off his hands


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 2:30 am 
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Snowy wrote:
Pools will carry on.


Of course we will.
The fanbase will rally round after Administration.
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 Post subject: Re: Whats the Sale Proce/Sunk Costs
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Critical Thinking wrote:
The Club is worth whatever assets it has less any debt at the time of the sale.

That in reality could be the sum of Pi Squared or better known as F**k All.

but less debt than when he took over so looking a better proposition now. its finding someone to buy or even if it was free to a good home its finding that good home that might be difficult


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I've just emptied the grandchildrens piggy banks - all 7 of them and found the grand sum of £90.

Do you think RS will accept this in full payment for the Club? Or is he going to hold out for £100?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 12:54 pm 
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Critical Thinking wrote:
The Club is worth whatever assets it has less any debt at the time of the sale.

That in reality could be the sum of Pi Squared or better known as F**k All.


100% agree, what are you buying physically if you buy Pools, a set of goal posts dugouts etc, they have little or no assets of any value, is Singh looking for the money he says he has put into Pools ?
Did Singh actually pay anything for Pools or just took their debt on and honour it, if that’s the case he should do the same £0 and the buyer inherits the debt, not his debt but the Sage debt.


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 Post subject: Re: Whats the Sale Proce/Sunk Costs
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 2:08 pm 
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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
derwent wrote:
loyal_fan wrote:
Has Raj put a sales price on yet?

I hope he doesnt think its 'what I have put in', when in reality its what's its worth now, which in pure business/money terms is less than nothing.
All its really worth is the emotional attachment someone may have to it/the pleasure it may bring someone in making it a success.
Hard to put any real value on that, but if Raj is looking backwards and trying to recoup the costs he has incurred, then we are in for a difficult sale, and the club will be worth less and less the longer this goes on.

I think we are in for a miserable couple of years...


Well people were screaming for him to sell it. I think the price will be subject to negotiation and on Raj's terms. He's wounded and hurt and that ain't gonna make him give it away. When the dust settles and he suddenly realises he has got all the ball the cornered wounded beast in him will unfurl it's claws. He doesn't have to sell, nor does he have to attend matches.
Certain people have craved for his demise but they are not going to be happy with the result they are going to experience in the process.
Raj might be a lot of things but he's not daft, so he isn't about to lose money just to satisfy abusive fans.
That is the reality and it is staring us all in the face I'm afraid.


If raj sticks about for long we will be in the conference north. Did he expect a pat on the back for the mess he has made of this club. He says it's a well run club. Can anybody tell us one thing that's well run. Are the bars well run? The ticketing system? The playing squad? The pitch? The rink end I'm struggling to see anything that's been well run. Maybe he means the pre season was well run?

He is going through the same system as he did with darlo, blaming anyone but himself. Then he starts issuing threats about the fan base, while season ticket money will once again be collected and we struggle to
fund a team for the start of the season.

Best one is he hits out at dave challinor once again before we play them. What if a miracle happens if we win on Saturday and crawley lose? Dafter things have happened. Let's just stir up the opposition once again.


I agree with your first sentence. I also think we will end up in the conference north one way or another, either by relegation or administration.

Your description of the way the club has been run I also agree with but the point I'm making is that Raj doesn't see it like that. He doesn't accept full responsibility for what has happened although he does say the buck stops with him, as contradictory as that sounds.
He is not prepared to take any more flak so administration will follow if he can't get a buyer.
My point is we as fans shouldn't do or say anything to help him retaliate but just let him get on with trying to sell the club and not be tarred with forcing his hand any further.
We are capable of carrying that out but are we willing to do that even though it is probably our only chance of avoiding conference north.
The fans have got him to his knees so to speak but for some that will not be enough as they also want to kick him when he's down. They need to balance retaliation with reality in my opinion.
The Trust was set up for such a situation as this, maybe they should propose that Raj should walk away gracefully and let them have a go. No harm in trying that route is there????

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If the trust were capable of running the club(finanicaly) on a week to week basis then they should go for it.

Unfortunately i would think the running costs weekly will be way out of the trusts reach.

Hope to be proved wrong.


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Grayhoundend wrote:
If the trust were capable of running the club(finanicaly) on a week to week basis then they should go for it.

Unfortunately i would think the running costs weekly will be way out of the trusts reach.

Hope to be proved wrong.

You need full time experienced staff to run a football club, none of the Trust people with no disrespect have that experience.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
If the trust were capable of running the club(finanicaly) on a week to week basis then they should go for it.

Unfortunately i would think the running costs weekly will be way out of the trusts reach.

Hope to be proved wrong.

You need full time experienced staff to run a football club, none of the Trust people with no disrespect have that experience.


Yes you obviously do need experienced staff but not all at Pools are inexperienced. Once Raj disappears we might all get a shock just how experienced the staff we have are. If it is deemed some of the current staff are not up to it then we take steps to replace them. I think, just for a change, we need to keep everything on the table until it becomes impossible. That way we have a chance. Don't rule anything out until each possibility is given a good coat of investigation. We are losing the captain of the ship, which nobody objects to, we still have the ship and the crew.

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derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
If the trust were capable of running the club(finanicaly) on a week to week basis then they should go for it.

Unfortunately i would think the running costs weekly will be way out of the trusts reach.

Hope to be proved wrong.

You need full time experienced staff to run a football club, none of the Trust people with no disrespect have that experience.


Yes you obviously do need experienced staff but not all at Pools are inexperienced. Once Raj disappears we might all get a shock just how experienced the staff we have are. If it is deemed some of the current staff are not up to it then we take steps to replace them. I think, just for a change, we need to keep everything on the table until it becomes impossible. That way we have a chance. Don't rule anything out until each possibility is given a good coat of investigation. We are losing the captain of the ship, which nobody objects to, we still have the ship and the crew.


I object to losing the captain as you put it, He has the money we don,t which makes him the lifeblood of the club.
I don,t personally object to the captain, I just don,t like good people being bullied/threatened.


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Grayhoundend wrote:
derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
If the trust were capable of running the club(finanicaly) on a week to week basis then they should go for it.

Unfortunately i would think the running costs weekly will be way out of the trusts reach.

Hope to be proved wrong.

You need full time experienced staff to run a football club, none of the Trust people with no disrespect have that experience.


Yes you obviously do need experienced staff but not all at Pools are inexperienced. Once Raj disappears we might all get a shock just how experienced the staff we have are. If it is deemed some of the current staff are not up to it then we take steps to replace them. I think, just for a change, we need to keep everything on the table until it becomes impossible. That way we have a chance. Don't rule anything out until each possibility is given a good coat of investigation. We are losing the captain of the ship, which nobody objects to, we still have the ship and the crew.


I object to losing the captain as you put it, He has the money we don,t which makes him the lifeblood of the club.
I don,t personally object to the captain, I just don,t like good people being bullied/threatened.

So do you want him to stay

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Did i say i wanted him to leave.


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 Post subject: Re: Whats the Sale Proce/Sunk Costs
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I don't think so but I don't read everything you write but you're the guy best likely to know whether you said it or not. Just like you're the guy who knows whether you want him to stay, which is why I asked you specifically. You either answer it or you don't, over to you.It's not a difficult question.

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