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For those who are not aware what the advantages of being in the EU were
Over 40 years of peace
Erasmus and overseas study
A home market of over 500 million consumers Cheaper flights and compensation for delays
Help with tax avoidance
Maternity and paternity leave
Stronger voice in the world
Consumer protection
Investment in arts and culture
Cleaner air
Paid holiday leave
Maximum working hours
Cheaper mobile calls and international roaming
Visa-free travel across Europe
The right to work in the EU
Funding for UK regions
Opportunities for young people - our future leaders
Funding for start-ups 44% of UK exports
Safer food standards
3 million jobs
Lower prices in shops
The world's strongest animal welfare rights
Rights for part-time workers
Single market with no export charges of red tape
Product safety standards
Standards in the workplace
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection
Free healthcare across Europe
Cleaner beaches and waterways
Co-operation on counter-terrorism intelligence
Rights in equal rights pay for men and women
Protection against discrimination based on gender, race, religion, age, disability and sexual orientation
Strongest wildlife protection in the world
Investment and collaboration in science
European arrest warrant
Improved standards for farm animals


Is that it?
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I wouldn't care but that's a very dubious list.

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I wouldn't care but that's a very dubious list.


Pick one out which is dubious, they are all fact, btw the Tories are going to abolish some of the stuff or most of it on there courtesy of Mogg.
Estimates about the cost of Brexit vary - according to a report by Bloomberg it is costing the UK economy roughly £100bn a year, and the economy is 4% smaller than it might have been if the UK had stayed in the EU.
"The EU is a very rich part of the world," says Carl Emmerson, deputy director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, an independent think tank. "And we've chosen, for better or worse, to make trade with that grouping of countries a lot more difficult, so it's clearly going to be something that makes it harder for the UK economy to grow."


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Pick one out which is dubious, they are all fact, btw the Tories are going to abolish some of the stuff or most of it on there courtesy of Mogg.
Estimates about the cost of Brexit vary - according to a report by Bloomberg it is costing the UK economy roughly £100bn a year, and the economy is 4% smaller than it might have been if the UK had stayed in the EU.
"The EU is a very rich part of the world," says Carl Emmerson, deputy director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, an independent think tank. "And we've chosen, for better or worse, to make trade with that grouping of countries a lot more difficult, so it's clearly going to be something that makes it harder for the UK economy to grow."

the EU was far from perfect but you cannot change or improve from the outside. the idea of having just one european big state had very little appeal in this country and if that had never been mentioned i feel we,d still be in it. you only eed one single item that people are against and they,ll vote accordingly and not for the bigger picture you stated.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
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One advantage is that we now have blue passports.
Blue is my favourite colour.
As for any more i am struggling.


Which are now made in France !

Because our gormless government decided to award them the contract…do you think under similar circumstances the French would….. grow up, they should still be getting made in Gateshead where they were originally made….more decent jobs sold down the river.

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Jamie1952 wrote:
For those who are not aware what the advantages of being in the EU were
Over 40 years of peace
Erasmus and overseas study
A home market of over 500 million consumers Cheaper flights and compensation for delays
Help with tax avoidance
Maternity and paternity leave
Stronger voice in the world
Consumer protection
Investment in arts and culture
Cleaner air
Paid holiday leave
Maximum working hours
Cheaper mobile calls and international roaming
Visa-free travel across Europe
The right to work in the EU
Funding for UK regions
Opportunities for young people - our future leaders
Funding for start-ups 44% of UK exports
Safer food standards
3 million jobs
Lower prices in shops
The world's strongest animal welfare rights
Rights for part-time workers
Single market with no export charges of red tape
Product safety standards
Standards in the workplace
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection
Free healthcare across Europe
Cleaner beaches and waterways
Co-operation on counter-terrorism intelligence
Rights in equal rights pay for men and women
Protection against discrimination based on gender, race, religion, age, disability and sexual orientation
Strongest wildlife protection in the world
Investment and collaboration in science
European arrest warrant
Improved standards for farm animals

This proves you are a ‘Remainiac’…seek medical help…….. :wink:

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Jamie1952 wrote:
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Brexit is Dead according to the Daily Telegraph who were a staunch supporter of Brexit, watch Heseltines take on it,
https://youtu.be/OJb3dqSKosQ


Considering how you have no time for the right wing press and even less for the Tories, it is most interesting that here you turn to both to strengthen your views on Brexit.


Because they supported Brexit and now going into reverse and now beginning to see the errors in their ways.

‘The errors of their ways’…? ……when referring to the media sounds like a KGB/ thought police phrase.
Anyone quoting a right wing politician like ‘Heseltine’ as a source isn’t just scraping the barrel they’re confused, especially when a loyal Labour supporter like you quotes him.

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Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Brexit is Dead according to the Daily Telegraph who were a staunch supporter of Brexit, watch Heseltines take on it,
https://youtu.be/OJb3dqSKosQ


Considering how you have no time for the right wing press and even less for the Tories, it is most interesting that here you turn to both to strengthen your views on Brexit.


Because they supported Brexit and now going into reverse and now beginning to see the errors in their ways.

‘The errors of their ways’…? ……when referring to the media sounds like a KGB/ thought police phrase.
Anyone quoting a right wing politician like ‘Heseltine’ as a source isn’t just scraping the barrel they’re confused, especially when a loyal Labour supporter like you quotes him.


I quote Heseltine irrespective of my political views because he is real politician like Thatcher was, it doesn’t mean to say I like them. I quote Heseltine because he talks sense re brexit, I agree with his views, you should take some time out Snowy and do a bit of research about the negatives of brexit which are now coming to light. Issues we were never told about during the campaign,ask anyone stuck in the queues at the channel ports and businesses who who export to Europe about the red tape and paperwork they now have to do.


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Snowy once again I ask what up until now are the advantages of brexit after 7 years, I will tell you zero and there will never be any. You need to stop reading the right wing media, I suspect you also watch GB News

As it wasn’t sorted till 2019 because of delays by politicians in Parliament denying the will of the people wher do you get seven years from sctatchinghead
I don’t go anywhere near the right wing media…unlike you I’m a floating voter, not a party serf…..you suspect I watch GB News…..and what if I did? Unlike you I have an open mind on politics and watch ALL the news channels from around the world to get a range of opinions, try it….or are you advocating selective viewing for the plebs …which is odd as despite rubbishing the ‘right wing press’ you have the nerve quote Heseltine without blushing to suit your purpose…who on this Earth is impressed by Heseltine?

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Jamie1952 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Brexit is Dead according to the Daily Telegraph who were a staunch supporter of Brexit, watch Heseltines take on it,
https://youtu.be/OJb3dqSKosQ


Considering how you have no time for the right wing press and even less for the Tories, it is most interesting that here you turn to both to strengthen your views on Brexit.


Because they supported Brexit and now going into reverse and now beginning to see the errors in their ways.

‘The errors of their ways’…? ……when referring to the media sounds like a KGB/ thought police phrase.
Anyone quoting a right wing politician like ‘Heseltine’ as a source isn’t just scraping the barrel they’re confused, especially when a loyal Labour supporter like you quotes him.



I quote Heseltine irrespective of my political views because he is real politician like Thatcher was, it doesn’t mean to say I like them. I quote Heseltine because he talks sense re brexit, I agree with his views, you should take some time out Snowy and do a bit of research about the negatives of brexit which are now coming to light. Issues we were never told about during the campaign,ask anyone stuck in the queues at the channel ports and businesses who who export to Europe about the red tape and paperwork they now have to do.

OK I’ll keep it simple……I DON’T CARE….. you are obsessed with the subject.
You sound like a politician on a loop.
I still like you, but most people don’t give a toss…..get over it and find a new challenge, I’m building raised flower beds, the wood arrived Saturday. Happy Days :laugh:

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I wouldn't care but that's a very dubious list.


Pick one out which is dubious, they are all fact, btw the Tories are going to abolish some of the stuff or most of it on there courtesy of Mogg.
Estimates about the cost of Brexit vary - according to a report by Bloomberg it is costing the UK economy roughly £100bn a year, and the economy is 4% smaller than it might have been if the UK had stayed in the EU.
"The EU is a very rich part of the world," says Carl Emmerson, deputy director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, an independent think tank. "And we've chosen, for better or worse, to make trade with that grouping of countries a lot more difficult, so it's clearly going to be something that makes it harder for the UK economy to grow."


I could pick out more than one but as you asked for one I'll give you one and the one you stated is also an out and out lie.

I started work in 1960 and from that day until the day I retired I was paid full pay for my holiday leave. So, as we were nowhere near the EU at the time of my initial employment, the EU can't be credited for that.
Remoaners are constantly accusing the brexiteers of lying or manipulating the truth and now you are doing the exact same thing.
Give it up man before your fanatical obsession not only makes you into a liar, it also will have a detriment affect on your health and wellbeing.
Or as it is usually requested. FFS give it a rest.

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"I still like you, but most people don’t give a toss…..get over it and find a new challenge, I’m building raised flower beds, the wood arrived Saturday. Happy Days"



Raised beds, You expecting another Lockdown....
Or just sick of the thieving supermarkets, Every little helps.


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derwent wrote:
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derwent wrote:
I wouldn't care but that's a very dubious list.


Pick one out which is dubious, they are all fact, btw the Tories are going to abolish some of the stuff or most of it on there courtesy of Mogg.
Estimates about the cost of Brexit vary - according to a report by Bloomberg it is costing the UK economy roughly £100bn a year, and the economy is 4% smaller than it might have been if the UK had stayed in the EU.
"The EU is a very rich part of the world," says Carl Emmerson, deputy director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, an independent think tank. "And we've chosen, for better or worse, to make trade with that grouping of countries a lot more difficult, so it's clearly going to be something that makes it harder for the UK economy to grow."


I could pick out more than one but as you asked for one I'll give you one and the one you stated is also an out and out lie.

I started work in 1960 and from that day until the day I retired I was paid full pay for my holiday leave. So, as we were nowhere near the EU at the time of my initial employment, the EU can't be credited for that.
Remoaners are constantly accusing the brexiteers of lying or manipulating the truth and now you are doing the exact same thing.
Give it up man before your fanatical obsession not only makes you into a liar, it also will have a detriment affect on your health and wellbeing.
Or as it is usually requested. FFS give it a rest.


I worked in the Engineering Industry, Holiday Pay or Sick Pay wasn’t a right, it took years to be paid the same holiday pay as your your average weekly wage courtesy of the EU. Ask any Part Time worker about their Holiday Pay, Rest Breaks etc zilch, I could go on on about the benefits we received from being in the EU but as you can’t give me any benefits of brexit I will leave it there.


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a subject that will never go away and it would not have done if we remained. It did one thing as it split communities more than anything else and possibly split families also. Doubt anyone really voted one way or the other for the full package on offer but one or two reasons they voted as they did.


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Snowy once again I ask what up until now are the advantages of brexit after 7 years, I will tell you zero and there will never be any. You need to stop reading the right wing media, I suspect you also watch GB News

As it wasn’t sorted till 2019 because of delays by politicians in Parliament denying the will of the people wher do you get seven years from sctatchinghead
I don’t go anywhere near the right wing media…unlike you I’m a floating voter, not a party serf…..you suspect I watch GB News…..and what if I did? Unlike you I have an open mind on politics and watch ALL the news channels from around the world to get a range of opinions, try it….or are you advocating selective viewing for the plebs …which is odd as despite rubbishing the ‘right wing press’ you have the nerve quote Heseltine without blushing to suit your purpose…who on this Earth is impressed by Heseltine?

Snowy I like your craic, I do listen to the radio, try listening to James OBrian on LBC, I watch TV and read many articles on Brexit and the general consensus of opinion it’s a big mistake, some even quoting our kids will never forgive us for brexit.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
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I wouldn't care but that's a very dubious list.


Pick one out which is dubious, they are all fact, btw the Tories are going to abolish some of the stuff or most of it on there courtesy of Mogg.
Estimates about the cost of Brexit vary - according to a report by Bloomberg it is costing the UK economy roughly £100bn a year, and the economy is 4% smaller than it might have been if the UK had stayed in the EU.
"The EU is a very rich part of the world," says Carl Emmerson, deputy director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, an independent think tank. "And we've chosen, for better or worse, to make trade with that grouping of countries a lot more difficult, so it's clearly going to be something that makes it harder for the UK economy to grow."


I could pick out more than one but as you asked for one I'll give you one and the one you stated is also an out and out lie.

I started work in 1960 and from that day until the day I retired I was paid full pay for my holiday leave. So, as we were nowhere near the EU at the time of my initial employment, the EU can't be credited for that.
Remoaners are constantly accusing the brexiteers of lying or manipulating the truth and now you are doing the exact same thing.
Give it up man before your fanatical obsession not only makes you into a liar, it also will have a detriment affect on your health and wellbeing.
Or as it is usually requested. FFS give it a rest.


I worked in the Engineering Industry, Holiday Pay or Sick Pay wasn’t a right, it took years to be paid the same holiday pay as your your average weekly wage courtesy of the EU. Ask any Part Time worker about their Holiday Pay, Rest Breaks etc zilch, I could go on on about the benefits we received from being in the EU but as you can’t give me any benefits of brexit I will leave it there.


I suspect you were on contract work but the fact still remains that paid holidays were introduced into this country long before we joined the EU.
You also had lower prices in your list, whereas in my experience prices continuously go up. The prices were much lower pre EU than they were when we left, so you can scrap that off your list.

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You missed the bit where we pay for all that along with various massive subsidies to all and sundry. The EU gave us fuck all that we didn’t overpay for.


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You missed the bit where we pay for all that along with various massive subsidies to all and sundry. The EU gave us fuck all that we didn’t overpay for.


It's like talking to somebody who is anti vaccine or a flat earth fanatic.

Until a proposal to re enter the EU is on the table what is the point of discussing it.

Jamie is possessed with believing the milk has been spilt and is continuously crying over it.

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He’s also entitled to his opinion, he passion is obvious.
whereas I think politicians are legalised thieves.

Stopped listening to them years ago, they couldn’t care less about me or you or your family


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He’s also entitled to his opinion, he passion is obvious.
whereas I think politicians are legalised thieves.

Stopped listening to them years ago, they couldn’t care less about me or you or your family


I fully agree he is entitled to his opinion which is what he has been allowed to do but repeating the same rants over and over again is a little bit tedious don't you think.
I was criticised for letting Poolie1 do it based on entitlement to an opinion. He is passionate but do we need to be reminded of it ad nauseam.
The debate on brexit is finished and the people voted. He is continuously criticising the result and trying to paint brexiteers as stupid or at best mis-guided.
By taking part in a vote surely you accept the terms of that vote and respect the result or what's the point.
I share your view on Politicians and I would add newspapers to that list. I stopped buying newspapers years ago.
The only sure thing you can say regarding politicians is you can get rid of a politician but all you end up doing is replacing that politician with a different one.
I have nothing against Jamie as a poster but I have asked him politely on numerous occasions to give brexit a rest as, although we recognise his passionate dislike of brexit, we don't need reminding of it relentlessly.
We don't want to pick and choose what people talk about but brexit was and is divisive and promotes disrespect of your fellow members and that is why I am asking to give it a rest. After all there is nothing we can do about it is there. Maybe in the future there could be a change of direction. I suggest we wait until that is presented to us to resurrect the debate.

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"I still like you, but most people don’t give a toss…..get over it and find a new challenge, I’m building raised flower beds, the wood arrived Saturday. Happy Days"



Raised beds, You expecting another Lockdown....
Or just sick of the thieving supermarkets, Every little helps.


Actually I’m under orders from the Ubersturmbahnfuherer…aka she who must be obeyed…wants to stop Ratboy digging up her tulips…. :laugh:

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Jamie1952 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:

Snowy once again I ask what up until now are the advantages of brexit after 7 years, I will tell you zero and there will never be any. You need to stop reading the right wing media, I suspect you also watch GB News

As it wasn’t sorted till 2019 because of delays by politicians in Parliament denying the will of the people wher do you get seven years from sctatchinghead
I don’t go anywhere near the right wing media…unlike you I’m a floating voter, not a party serf…..you suspect I watch GB News…..and what if I did? Unlike you I have an open mind on politics and watch ALL the news channels from around the world to get a range of opinions, try it….or are you advocating selective viewing for the plebs …which is odd as despite rubbishing the ‘right wing press’ you have the nerve quote Heseltine without blushing to suit your purpose…who on this Earth is impressed by Heseltine?

Snowy I like your craic, I do listen to the radio, try listening to James OBrian on LBC, I watch TV and read many articles on Brexit and the general consensus of opinion it’s a big mistake, some even quoting our kids will never forgive us for brexit.

O’brien…? Can’t stand the bloke. Widen your spectrum, even Al Jazeera is ok but O’brien nah.
As for the kids never forgiving us for Brexit, there’s somethings kids will never forgive you for…… but Brexit :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: the only kids like that are speck little 12 year olds with the mind of a 65 year old and no mates.

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I’m thinking of organising a campaign to restore Edward VIII back to the Throne….ok it was 84 years ago and he’s long dead and buried but I’m obsessed with it and demand his reinstatement even though it’s over and done with.. :angry-tappingfoot:
I’m not reallythough ……. but it’s the same as pining for the EU. :wink:

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Snowy wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
"I still like you, but most people don’t give a toss…..get over it and find a new challenge, I’m building raised flower beds, the wood arrived Saturday. Happy Days"



Raised beds, You expecting another Lockdown....
Or just sick of the thieving supermarkets, Every little helps.


Actually I’m under orders from the Ubersturmbahnfuherer…aka she who must be obeyed…wants to stop Ratboy digging up her tulips…. :laugh:


Come on Man, Take his spade off him, simples. :laugh:


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derwent wrote:
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He’s also entitled to his opinion, he passion is obvious.
whereas I think politicians are legalised thieves.

Stopped listening to them years ago, they couldn’t care less about me or you or your family


I fully agree he is entitled to his opinion which is what he has been allowed to do but repeating the same rants over and over again is a little bit tedious don't you think.
I was criticised for letting Poolie1 do it based on entitlement to an opinion. He is passionate but do we need to be reminded of it ad nauseam.
The debate on brexit is finished and the people voted. He is continuously criticising the result and trying to paint brexiteers as stupid or at best mis-guided.
By taking part in a vote surely you accept the terms of that vote and respect the result or what's the point.
I share your view on Politicians and I would add newspapers to that list. I stopped buying newspapers years ago.
The only sure thing you can say regarding politicians is you can get rid of a politician but all you end up doing is replacing that politician with a different one.
I have nothing against Jamie as a poster but I have asked him politely on numerous occasions to give brexit a rest as, although we recognise his passionate dislike of brexit, we don't need reminding of it relentlessly.
We don't want to pick and choose what people talk about but brexit was and is divisive and promotes disrespect of your fellow members and that is why I am asking to give it a rest. After all there is nothing we can do about it is there. Maybe in the future there could be a change of direction. I suggest we wait until that is presented to us to resurrect the debate.



"repeating the same rants over and over again is a little bit tedious don't you think"

Yes i agree, But sounds just like parliment to me.


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Grayhoundend wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
"I still like you, but most people don’t give a toss…..get over it and find a new challenge, I’m building raised flower beds, the wood arrived Saturday. Happy Days"



Raised beds, You expecting another Lockdown....
Or just sick of the thieving supermarkets, Every little helps.


Actually I’m under orders from the Ubersturmbahnfuherer…aka she who must be obeyed…wants to stop Ratboy digging up her tulips…. :laugh:


Come on Man, Take his spade off him, simples. :laugh:

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Grayhoundend wrote:
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He’s also entitled to his opinion, he passion is obvious.
whereas I think politicians are legalised thieves.

Stopped listening to them years ago, they couldn’t care less about me or you or your family


I fully agree he is entitled to his opinion which is what he has been allowed to do but repeating the same rants over and over again is a little bit tedious don't you think.
I was criticised for letting Poolie1 do it based on entitlement to an opinion. He is passionate but do we need to be reminded of it ad nauseam.
The debate on brexit is finished and the people voted. He is continuously criticising the result and trying to paint brexiteers as stupid or at best mis-guided.
By taking part in a vote surely you accept the terms of that vote and respect the result or what's the point.
I share your view on Politicians and I would add newspapers to that list. I stopped buying newspapers years ago.
The only sure thing you can say regarding politicians is you can get rid of a politician but all you end up doing is replacing that politician with a different one.
I have nothing against Jamie as a poster but I have asked him politely on numerous occasions to give brexit a rest as, although we recognise his passionate dislike of brexit, we don't need reminding of it relentlessly.
We don't want to pick and choose what people talk about but brexit was and is divisive and promotes disrespect of your fellow members and that is why I am asking to give it a rest. After all there is nothing we can do about it is there. Maybe in the future there could be a change of direction. I suggest we wait until that is presented to us to resurrect the debate.



"repeating the same rants over and over again is a little bit tedious don't you think"

Yes i agree, But sounds just like parliment to me.


If it sounds like Parliament don't you think that sort of proves my point.

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derwent wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
derwent wrote:
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He’s also entitled to his opinion, he passion is obvious.
whereas I think politicians are legalised thieves.

Stopped listening to them years ago, they couldn’t care less about me or you or your family


I fully agree he is entitled to his opinion which is what he has been allowed to do but repeating the same rants over and over again is a little bit tedious don't you think.
I was criticised for letting Poolie1 do it based on entitlement to an opinion. He is passionate but do we need to be reminded of it ad nauseam.
The debate on brexit is finished and the people voted. He is continuously criticising the result and trying to paint brexiteers as stupid or at best mis-guided.
By taking part in a vote surely you accept the terms of that vote and respect the result or what's the point.
I share your view on Politicians and I would add newspapers to that list. I stopped buying newspapers years ago.
The only sure thing you can say regarding politicians is you can get rid of a politician but all you end up doing is replacing that politician with a different one.
I have nothing against Jamie as a poster but I have asked him politely on numerous occasions to give brexit a rest as, although we recognise his passionate dislike of brexit, we don't need reminding of it relentlessly.
We don't want to pick and choose what people talk about but brexit was and is divisive and promotes disrespect of your fellow members and that is why I am asking to give it a rest. After all there is nothing we can do about it is there. Maybe in the future there could be a change of direction. I suggest we wait until that is presented to us to resurrect the debate.




Absolutely


"repeating the same rants over and over again is a little bit tedious don't you think"

Yes i agree, But sounds just like parliment to me.


If it sounds like Parliament don't you think that sort of proves my point.


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a subject that will never go away and it would not have done if we remained. It did one thing as it split communities more than anything else and possibly split families also. Doubt anyone really voted one way or the other for the full package on offer but one or two reasons they voted as they did.


100% correct, good post.


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derwent wrote:
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I wouldn't care but that's a very dubious list.


Pick one out which is dubious, they are all fact, btw the Tories are going to abolish some of the stuff or most of it on there courtesy of Mogg.
Estimates about the cost of Brexit vary - according to a report by Bloomberg it is costing the UK economy roughly £100bn a year, and the economy is 4% smaller than it might have been if the UK had stayed in the EU.
"The EU is a very rich part of the world," says Carl Emmerson, deputy director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, an independent think tank. "And we've chosen, for better or worse, to make trade with that grouping of countries a lot more difficult, so it's clearly going to be something that makes it harder for the UK economy to grow."


I could pick out more than one but as you asked for one I'll give you one and the one you stated is also an out and out lie.

I started work in 1960 and from that day until the day I retired I was paid full pay for my holiday leave. So, as we were nowhere near the EU at the time of my initial employment, the EU can't be credited for that.
Remoaners are constantly accusing the brexiteers of lying or manipulating the truth and now you are doing the exact same thing.
Give it up man before your fanatical obsession not only makes you into a liar, it also will have a detriment affect on your health and wellbeing.
Or as it is usually requested. FFS give it a rest.


I worked in the Engineering Industry, Holiday Pay or Sick Pay wasn’t a right, it took years to be paid the same holiday pay as your your average weekly wage courtesy of the EU. Ask any Part Time worker about their Holiday Pay, Rest Breaks etc zilch, I could go on on about the benefits we received from being in the EU but as you can’t give me any benefits of brexit I will leave it there.


I suspect you were on contract work but the fact still remains that paid holidays were introduced into this country long before we joined the EU.
You also had lower prices in your list, whereas in my experience prices continuously go up. The prices were much lower pre EU than they were when we left, so you can scrap that off your list.

Dereent, I can’t help putting up all arguments from some of the posters. I have seen some of my colleagues nearly coming to blows in the pub over it, thank goodness we are online.
1) Holiday Pay, yes I worked in contracting, an industrial nomad, my choice, on projects there were second tier payments, employers deemed they wouldn’t be included in your holiday pay.
2) Employment Agencies, employers utilised agencies as it was a way where they could hire and fire with out notice and no need to pay holiday pay, it was supposedly included in the rate.
Both were illegal under EU laws we in the end were granted holiday pay albeit it took forever to be implemented. In contracting we didn’t have the same ‘protection’ you have in the public sector, you voiced your opinions and there was a good chance you wouldn’t be ‘invited’ back on the next project. It was a well known fact companies operated a ‘black’ list system, well some said ‘white’ list, if you weren’t on the ‘white’ list you were ‘blacked’

Prices, as I said before prices more so for fruit and veg. will rise as we now have to import them as we don’t have the workforce to pick it, there will be a tariff imposed meaning prices will go up.

This my last post re brexit, I promise, you are at will to ban me if I ever mention brexit again.


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Snowy wrote:
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Snowy once again I ask what up until now are the advantages of brexit after 7 years, I will tell you zero and there will never be any. You need to stop reading the right wing media, I suspect you also watch GB News

As it wasn’t sorted till 2019 because of delays by politicians in Parliament denying the will of the people wher do you get seven years from sctatchinghead
I don’t go anywhere near the right wing media…unlike you I’m a floating voter, not a party serf…..you suspect I watch GB News…..and what if I did? Unlike you I have an open mind on politics and watch ALL the news channels from around the world to get a range of opinions, try it….or are you advocating selective viewing for the plebs …which is odd as despite rubbishing the ‘right wing press’ you have the nerve quote Heseltine without blushing to suit your purpose…who on this Earth is impressed by Heseltine?

Snowy I like your craic, I do listen to the radio, try listening to James OBrian on LBC, I watch TV and read many articles on Brexit and the general consensus of opinion it’s a big mistake, some even quoting our kids will never forgive us for brexit.

O’brien…? Can’t stand the bloke. Widen your spectrum, even Al Jazeera is ok but O’brien nah.
As for the kids never forgiving us for Brexit, there’s somethings kids will never forgive you for…… but Brexit :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: the only kids like that are speck little 12 year olds with the mind of a 65 year old and no mates.


I have a broad spectrum of what I listen to or watch, I don’t particularly listen/watch any radio/tv programme, in fact I rarely watch tv, I pick and choose short clips on YouTube of the daily news and views of people from the global media where I can watch or skip if I not fussed on it.


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Go careful with You Tube, because if you look at channels favourable to your own viewpoint, it’ll present you news outlets it thinks you like which buggers things up for me because you end up getting only your side of the argument unintentionally.
Did the Brexit vote surprise me, yes, but I never contested it, do I like Farage ….no, but the people spoke and if some lazy buggers didn’t vote but moan afterwards, that’s there fault.
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wherever you get your news from you,ll only agree with those who have a point of view similar to yours. at times i wished i never voted for brexit but after listening to some real remainers whose only interest in breathing is the subject i,m glad i did. many of them seem to be those i disagree with on other subject like james o.brian.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
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a subject that will never go away and it would not have done if we remained. It did one thing as it split communities more than anything else and possibly split families also. Doubt anyone really voted one way or the other for the full package on offer but one or two reasons they voted as they did.


100% correct, good post.

If it split families after Brexit…they must have been split before, it didn’t happen overnight.

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Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
accrington fan wrote:
a subject that will never go away and it would not have done if we remained. It did one thing as it split communities more than anything else and possibly split families also. Doubt anyone really voted one way or the other for the full package on offer but one or two reasons they voted as they did.


100% correct, good post.

If it split families after Brexit…they must have been split before, it didn’t happen overnight.


Think all familys are spilt to some extent.


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Snowy wrote:
Go careful with You Tube, because if you look at channels favourable to your own viewpoint, it’ll present you news outlets it thinks you like which buggers things up for me because you end up getting only your side of the argument unintentionally.
Did the Brexit vote surprise me, yes, but I never contested it, do I like Farage ….no, but the people spoke and if some lazy buggers didn’t vote but moan afterwards, that’s there fault.
Always use your vote. Amen.


I agree as you say YouTube can latch on to what you click on, bearing in mind they are owned by Google who can and do track every minute of your life.
I have an app which a colleague installed called Smart Tube, it’s YouTube without the adverts, it’s not available in the App Store though.


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