They shook hands and were all mates together after the final whistle in their own game. Be nice if football fans could take a leaf out that book too, but it'll never happen.

I was out with a bunch of friends from all parts of the country when someone said Scotland had beaten England at rugby union. Virtually all made a fist pump and said something like "get in". All were English.
Reason is they all viewed English rugby as being controlled by a load of ex public school toffs supported by a similar group of fat privileged pricks at the Twickers HQ poncing around extolling their achievements on the rugby field when in fact they had only ever played one for a pub team in Marlow.
I was in full agreement.
I do though support all other England sports teams.

And i bet most (fist pumps)voted Tory at the last election.

I was out with a bunch of friends from all parts of the country when someone said Scotland had beaten England at rugby union. Virtually all made a fist pump and said something like "get in". All were English.
Reason is they all viewed English rugby as being controlled by a load of ex public school toffs supported by a similar group of fat privileged pricks at the Twickers HQ poncing around extolling their achievements on the rugby field when in fact they had only ever played one for a pub team in Marlow.
I was in full agreement.
I do though support all other England sports teams.[/quote]


They didn't cheer when Johnny Wilkinson scored his famous drop goal? That was some try by van der merwe.

Those sort of people vote Tory at every election. The Tories didn't win any Labour voters, Corbyn lost them albeit temporarily. All the people I know who "loaned" their vote to the Tories because of Corbyn and Momentum are returning to their roots, well that is what they are saying. Although a lot of them like Sunak because of his furlough scheme and not all of them are supporting the strikes and those who are are furious that the Labour party seem to be distancing themselves from the strikes. The Tory party haven't got a monopoly of unhappy bunnies that's for sure. By the time the next election comes round the atmosphere could be very different.

All went to good universities and all have voted labour since uni.

There is another side of the coin Mr D. I spoke to an old mate of mine yesterday who is essentially a communist and a card carrying Corbyn supporter. His view was that all the extreme lefties will never vote for Starmer in a month of Sundays.

Its a similar story in the Tory party. A lot (me included) will not vote for the Snake.

We voted Boris - they ousted him, orchestrated by Sunak and Javid.
They offered us Truss or Sunak - we voted against Sunak
The MP's found a way to circumnavigate the membership and install Sunak irrespective of the members selection - they'll pay for it at the next election where there will be a bloodbath of the disloyal MP's

Watch out for Reform. Millions of Tories will vote that way rather than Sunak.

To late now!!!!!

Sold down the river, This country will never get its identity back.

By the way, I stand by my prediction that the leader of the Tory party at the next General election will be Boris Johnson.

think its all the pre match hype and shit spoke in the media that works the opposite way for many with english sport. if they just shut up and concentrated on the game and both sides many more will get behind them. got a feeling northerners get turned off this more than our southern brothers do.

The attitude of the marxist /momentum side of the party is certainly anti Starmer, I agree completely with that. I also agree with your other prediction about a Bojo comeback.

when party,s look for a pair of safe hands, middle of the road politician with no real alternative policies you are going to get many turning their backs on the party and not bothering to vote at all. be interesting what the turnout would be if their was a general election this thursday before the roll out their lists of promises to be broken in the months after they come to power. would love a real alternative to vote for instead of this dead centre dross.

The leader of Reform UK, Richard Tice, has offered a “cast-iron guarantee” the party will put up a candidate against every Conservative in the next general election, ruling out a 2019-style deal even if the Tories back some of his policies.

The major game changer they proposing of dont pay tax till you earn 20 grand will make every full time worker £1500 a year better off.

REFORM are guaranteed my vote.

More right wing than the current Tory Party, you don’t get ought for nought, the £1500 has to be raised from some where else.

If ANY working person earning less than £50,000(being conservative) a year believes the Tory party, Actually gives a care about YOU.

Then you are deluded, And totally out of touch with reality, Let alone the financial and business world.
When on earth will the penny drop...





"Say goodbye to the world you thought you lived in"

Is that a call for the honorary president of Reform UK Mr Nigel Farage to step forward?

We are all entitled to vote for the party of our choice. How each individual decides to vote is their prerogative.
What gives you the impression that outbursts from you will have any bearing on how others use their vote.
If you think by calling people deluded and out of touch with reality is going to influence them to follow your philosophy then you have created a perfect scenario of delusion my friend.
Have a good think as to whether your insults will bear fruit cos, speaking for myself, I am not impressed by your outburst one little bit.
Now you've said who not to vote for perhaps you would be so kind as to finish the job and suggest who we should vote for and why...........................without the insults.
I'm all for enlightenment.
As a recipient of the state pension the present Government is about to give me a 10.1 % increase. Are there any other parties suggesting they would give me more than that?
Mr Tice is promising £20k income before tax is deducted, should we go with him??
Would the Labour party give pensioners an increase, perhaps up to the minimum wage??
Lots of questions for the deluded to sift through don't you think.

I pity the mugs who have voted the same way all their life. Some people, of ALL Party”s, just accept the mantra handed down to them.
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I’m a political mercenary without a conscience, hold my nose and mark the ballot paper.
I vote for whoever offers me the best deal, I’d even look at the Devil favourably if he stood for Parliament.

Not out to impress, Or influence. Could not care less who anybody votes for .
But i like you or anybody i am entitiled to my opinion.

I actually did make a basic mistake with my outburst, I said Tory party, Instead of any party.
But anybody who believes a MP actually cares about plebs really is deluded.

I have only ever voted Labour in a G.E.,no matter what party has been in power I have never felt better or worse of under any of them.

thats the main point and imagine millions of others are in the same boat as you. always said labour has never done anything for me but apart from getting free shares in a buy out clause neither have the tories. its just the retaric that comes out of them that appeals one way or another.

problem with our voting system your vote will be wasted vote it always is with fringe party,s. possibly they,ll get 10 per cent of the vote but will be lucky to get 1 mp elected.

thats the main point and imagine millions of others are in the same boat as you. /quote]


Talking of boats,who's going to stop the estimated 60 thousand plus illegals arriving on our shores again this year?

Apparently nobody.
Had to laugh how last week it was announced the Border Farce had tsken over from the Navy protecting our shores…
Someone asked why these people allegedly paying thousands didn’t just buy a ticket for less than a hundred quid fly in then ask for asylum …till some body pointed out they’d need a passport and ID which apparently the dinghy folk don’t have…..Now I wonder why they want to hide their identity .

How many bedrooms has the Grand Hotel got. 50 plus?.There's now 7 hotels (not small ones) down here housing them.Can you imagine that?

That's why they want to come here, life of bloody riley.

Exactly they wouldn’t be allowed to board a flight, airlines don’t allow you to board unless you have the relevant documents, visa etc. the airline is responsible for returning them to their original departure airport. The first thing the people smugglers do is ask them to hand any ID to them.

A genuine asylum seeker would have no problem flying in and producing documentation.
I don’t see why illegals can’t be held in secure accommodation indefinitely till they have proof of ID…..
Maybe if that had happened at the start it wouldn’t have been so appealing, no point turning up to be locked up.

How do you know some one is a genuine asylum seeker ? The idea of flying them to Rwanda was so their claim could be considered there, £140 million scheme which was doomed for failure from the beginning and in Rwanda bank account. I couldn’t see a Centre being set up elsewhere, if the claim was turned down what would happen to them ?
Holding them in secure accommodation would be classed as imprisoning them and there would plenty of lawyers and do gooders contesting it.
The U.K. takes the least number of asylum seekers in Europe so I can’t see much help coming from the European countries.
All negative comments but tbh I don’t have an answer neither has the government either.

All say they are going to tackle immigration but non do. Why?

Because there isn’t a solution, western countries encouraged the Arab spring and the removal of dictators Hussein and Ghadafi, they kept their population in-line not always for the best though.

Snowy thousands upon thousands have arrived, none have valid documentation, we don’t have the facilities to lock them up, there is a connection or should be with Europe, asylum seekers are supposed to be detained at their point of entry but some how they are allowed to meander through various European countries crossing borders, where are these countries border control ?
The UK has agreed to pay France €72.2 million to fund patrols along the French coast to prevent migrants from crossing the English Channel in small boats, according to a deal signed last November, they must be using it to buy the boats for the crossings.

Immigrants ‘wander through Europe’ because of bloody idiotic. Eu pushed through the Schengen Agreement, a naive stroke that means there are no borders on mainland Europe anymore and this contributes to it.
It’s also kicking off big time in the Republic of Ireland where they’re are literally being swamped by refugees moving through the UK and taking advantage of Britain and Ireland’s 1922 free travel area allowing travel between the countries without documentation.
If third liberal mindset of all governments had been harder in the first place this would not got out of hand.
The blame is all at Obama and Hilary Clinton’s door…. their gormless ‘Arab Spring’ intervention triggered all this.

Err............Politican.....Liar.

Rings a bell.

Can we substitue "Western Countries" for USA and "encouraged" for ?
And don,t forget Saddam and his WMD.

Almost forgot the above names may have been wanting to replace the Dollar for oil sales.

Snowy the Shenengan Agreement only applies to EU member states, the U.K. at the time decided against joining it, an Asylum Seeker is not going to wander through Immigration are they, they find another way of crossing the border into another country.
Again the Free Travel Agreement op is only for U.K. or Irish citizens, Asylum Seekers can’t just walk across the border I don’t think.

Parliament is run by non english.
They aint gunna shit on there own nests.

and we need the labour to keep the economy growing.

The U.K. has a labour shortage in every department not helped the fact that the majority of people on Universal Credit are actually working but are eligible to claim benefits due the limited hours they work, part time.
I am convinced there must a few asylum seekers who would be willing to work to top up their income but are not allowed until asylum is granted.
BTW this thread started of as a song title now we are into migrants etc !

Was it Led Zepplin who did the Immigrant song?

We do need immigrants, but the ones we want,……. the LEGAL ones. Those who are prepared to not jump the queue and do it right, unlike these dinghy dodgers who are undocumented and unknown quantities.

Exactly and we got the ones we wanted with Freedom of Movement but some people appeared to think that leaving the EU would stop the dinghies which have in fact increased.

this counytu may have the least asylum seekers but the highest number who are allowed to stay. think many people got wound up about them is when they did not want to stay in that army barracks in kent but was once good enough for our soldiers. beggars for me cannot be choosers and if they were taken what was offered like free accomodation and 3 square meals a day plenty of british residents would be happy with this. free pocket money, someone is having a laugh.

If this continues it will cause trouble, trouble is all Party’s seem to consist of wet liberals detached from reality.We’re a soft touch….are the dinghy people in Calais living in 4 star hotels..er, no, ….. in camps in the dunes…do the maths.

What????? With so called ‘freedom of movement’ ANYONE from the EU could just walk in, not just the ones we wanted…anyone from the EU.
The dinghies have increased because the French don’t give a shit and are happy to get rid of their ‘guests’.

thats what years at university and politics do to you. send anyone to the former and they,ll come out a different person than they previously were. find some disused airfield, build war time pre fabs and pow huts for em. only problem is that these might need importing from china now as there might be no one to manufacture them over here.sod the do gooding lefties as surely anything is better than rough sleeping.

Unless you build them of fireproof material they will just set fire to them like they did before.