this morning on the news it was mentioned about hillsborough chants to liverpool fans plus the munich one for man.u. its the mass chants that are the problem and not individual comments. before these chants started, why did they anyway and where were they started, it was hardly a church social atmosphere anywhere in the country at football. the game on the pitch is far more sanitised as it was but would hate the authorities to totally clamp down on the terraces with lists of what you can or cannot shout individually. if they do it will put far more off attending than those thgey bring in to have the atmosphere of a county cricket match.

It’s a problem with no solution. I predict more matches will be stopped.

Remember years ago in the Town End at half time, I must have been about seventeen, there was three blokes who always stood together and they were talking about the chants, one jokingly said a hard core must turn up for ‘choir practice’ in some pub car park and lead the chorus on the terrace.. at the time, I thought you may have a point.

have not attended a rugby league game for years but at one time abuse of match officials at all levels was as bad as it is in football from the crowd. its just the players and clubs that show more respect for them. by what i have heard from my mates lad who refs RL is their problem at kids games is just the same as football refs have. its not all pissed ot drugged up youngsters its parents of both sexes that are involved.

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have not attended a rugby league game for years but at one time abuse of match officials at all levels was as bad as it is in football from the crowd.[/quote]


Neither have i,well not since Erica Roe got em out.

I'm afraid you are right.

Imagine being a few goals down at home, idiots now know how to get a game abandoned.

Yep that was precisely the point I was making earlier. The men's game will have to be sanitized to suit the women who choose to officiate. But of course equality in every aspect of life however inappropriate is what we all need and anyone who thinks different is Sid the Sexist and wants single sex medical appointments.

⬆️ I disagree. I go to a lot of football matches and I don’t want to hear abusive bad language directed at anyone. Refs, linesmen, players, managers - regardless of gender or colour.

“Sanitise” is the wrong word. The abusive fans should just stop, I mean the nasty abusive ones.

If they stopped Ozzy, would that upset you?

If recognised, Evict them from the ground and ban from ALL sporting venues.
I,m sure a national data base could be set up by the FA, Never mind the costs.

Why would it upset me? What are you implying? If you bothered to read earlier in the thread you would see where I had made it clear that in my view, abuse of officials was totally unacceptable. The problem is that it will be hellishly difficult to eradicate without all football venues however small( bus shelter venues not just big stadia) being transformed into multi surveillance big brothers paradises. Before this transformation is complete it seems to me there will many more lenghthy stoppages and abandonments the moment some lowlife yells a sexist remark. The problem is worse in smaller grounds with sparse attendances because every comment can be heard as you would know from all the matches you have attended. But hey, please don't allow nuance and thought to cloud your immediate veiled, spiteful interpretation of my posts.

I’m not spiteful Ozzy. There’s nothing spiteful about my post or question. Or veiled, wtf.

My question was however clumsy and in hindsight unnecessary, sorry about that.

You wrote along the lines that the mens game would have to be sanitised to suit the women who chooses to officiate and I don’t agree with that.

I think your looking at things wrongly. I think that sanitised is the wrong word to use. But if we move on from that point let’s ‘sanitise’ the mens game, not for the women who choose to officiate, but for everyone who chooses to officiate, and the players and the children in attendance, and for other people who don’t turn up to a match to hear officials getting threatened or abused.

My teenage nephew started training to be a ref, the vile abuse he received for making a mistake in his first ever game officiating meant he jacked it in. I'd like to see some of these abusive individuals try doing the job.

Absolutely no way this should be tolerated I hope the culprit faced some kind of consequence. From time to time there are reports of match officials being assaulted in games at grass roots level and indeed there is a shortage of people prepared to be referees and linos at these lower levels where I guess all officials must start. I genuinely do not know this which is why I ask the question: Do women officiate in men's games at grassroots level? If so how do they manage?

On the contrary there was an obvious unpleasant and spiteful implication when you asked if I would be "upset" if the abuse of match officials was stopped; the implication being that I somehow think abusing officials/players etc is acceptable. Outrageous. Just wondering why these issues cannot be discussed without personal attacks being utilized.

Define ‘sanitise’….
The comment about single sex appointments is a clumsy jibe on your part.
In your world where ‘wimmin’ would only referee in ‘wimmins’ football and mem in mens is no different to women doctors for women and male doctors for men, you are segregating them by their sex…..might go down well in Afghanistan, but that’s about it.

I thought I clarified myself above, and offered an apology. On reflection my question was clumsy, I suppose it was meant as a leading question, with the obvious answer being “no”.

What do you think about my point? About your wording that I disagreed with?

The use of "industrial language" and the abuse of players, officials and opposing fans has always been an unfortunate, regrettable part of the game because its roots lie deep in working class culture. I think things have improved over time but there is no doubt the abusive behaviour is still very much with us. Now women officials are becoming targets of abuse, some people appear to be wracked by existential angst: how can we eliminate the negative behaviour of some fans that has been going on for over a century? Of course it is a laudable and desirable aim but is it possible to achieve without throwing out the baby with the bath water? Can we completely transform what goes on in football grounds of all sizes and significance? Is it actually possible to achieve this? If it is not, do we simply accept that many games will have to be suspended or even abandoned? I have misgivings about this because it will damage the game. In the end, do we as a society decide that mass spectator sport is no longer permissible because the behaviour of some people cannot be controlled to the extent that no one has their feelings hurt? Some on here seem to think this is a simple issue, I beg to differ.

As you continue to equate officiating at football with what goes on between patients and medical professionals, following it up with the Afghanistan wisdom I have nothing further to say as there can be no reasoning with such an attitude.

Chucking bananas at black players no longer happens. There are no easy answers here but I suppose I would like to see nasty abuse of any kind directed to anybody at a football match treated with the same disdain and eventually die out.

No one could argue with that but as usual the devil is in the detail, isn't it?

a lino getting stick from the crowd because they all think they are having a nightmare, shock and horror. how long have lasses officiated in the 6th tier of the game and above. seems quite a long time now. doubt a single person rolled up to the game bacause she was on the line just to abuse her. another storm in a teacup pulled out of all proportion again by attempting to make a story out of it. how many other non story,s were there the same say of similar abuse of match officials we have not heard a word about. thought it was all about equality nowadays but again some animals are more equal than others.

I guess the reason this story reached the media was that the game was stopped for 40 minutes. Had there been no stoppage in play I suspect there would have been far less of a furore.

Oh Dear. You can say a black official is crap, needs to borrow your glasses, f****** useless and that's fine. You cannot bring racist comments into it. Similarly, you can say the same to a female official, you cannot make lewd, sexist comments. As you say, female officials have been around for ages, and games are very rarely suspended - it makes me think the comments went far beyond what she normally hears, or was prepared to tolerate. You wouldn't tolerate any female getting such abuse outside of a football ground (or at least I hope you wouldn't) so why should she inside one?

Herr Flick, it seems that the wordage used against this lady was bad, I don’t know what it was though. Also let’s not forget that the game was held up in the second half by remarks that were made by Boro fans, because at that time she was officiating in front of them.

The title of this thread is a touch misleading.

one fact was female bus drivers got the same amount of stick as there male counterparts especially from other female passengers. we hear of assaults inside the NHS. imagine those will include assaults on nurses and other female staff as well. then there are shpworkers and others who work with the public. life outside a football ground is just the same but with less publicity.

Can we all just agree that such behaviour in any walk of life is unacceptable, there are no excuses.
It’s a sign of the times now, where a large section of society of both sexes have become boorish and up their own entitled arses and to whom dignity and respect are a puzzle.

so true. people seem to be looking for any confrontation nowadays when things do not go as they wish even if the majority are happy. never been blessed with much patiance but now i feel quite laid back up to others.

I was a guest of a player on the day and it was said when the assistant ref missed the definite handball which was near to where she was running the line and a goal was scored ( it happens we are all human the ref also missed it ) someone shouted hey fat arse how did you miss that. A theme then developed ‘hey fat arse’ that’s offside, hey fat arse keep up with play Etc. This prompted a near 40 minutes delay.
In the first the Darlo fans abuse and also chucking so much food towards her a steward had to go and move it off the pitch while the match stopped temporarily.
Bizarre afternoon.

There was one burger that ended up on the pitch during the celebrations for the first goal, hardly class that as loads of food being chucked at the lineswoman

Yeah sure, one tiny little burger, that’s why the ref went to the fourth official to ask for a steward to go and remove the food thrown onto the pitch and stopped the game while this happened, at least half a dozen things went onto the pitch.

remember going to crewe in the 80,s to a non pools game. cannot remember who it was against but the keeper was getting loads of shit with coins being thrown at him. what did he do, no he didn,t moan to rhe ref he got his cap and picked em all ip and gave the fans the thumb up. how to defuse a situation certainly seems a thing of the past and he became a hero for the game.

U cant beat Gazza eating a Mars Bar some fan threw at him.
Quality

Yes, yes yes but can we get back to the cleavage!

It seems that the person involved from the Darlo side of things has been found and banned. I don’t know re Scarborough, as this incident has two sides to it.

Banned for what? Was it specified.

For shouting “misogynistic abuse” at the female assistant referee.

Obviously I don’t condone ‘misogynistic abuse’, but I’d have thought throwing something on the pitch was equally as bad of not worse.

It was a burger that went up in the air during goal celebrations, not a missile launched at the assistant ref.

1/4 or 1/2 pounder. Cheese? Onions?

about time the lasses at games give male lino,s some stick now.

He has been banned from all Darlo home games for a year. Apparently he is appealing as he wants it increased to 3 years

LMAO.

We can only hope it's the lighter one...If only the burger hadn't split off in a different direction from the 2 buns on impact eh.

Shrapnel Burger with extra fries eh?

on a serious note how can banning a person actually work if they want to enter any smaller clubs ground. just go and stand or sit in another stand and change your normal clothing. know for a fact people do not recognise me or my partner when we get dressed up after seeing us both in scruffy old clothes we use to walk the dogs.