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 Post subject: England V Wales.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:52 pm 
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Well , I hope we win on Tuesday, because if we end up 2nd in the group, otherwise England will be playing on Saturday at 3PM.
That would affect the crowd here?
I'll be at the game no matter what.
Could they change the kick off time of the game if that did happen?
Or would it be to short notice.
All hypothetical of course until we know what England do.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:09 pm 
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Will be at the game come what may too. Can always watch a highlights programme for England-Wales.


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 Post subject: Re: England V Wales.
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If ya not goin to Pools.
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England Freeview.
Wont come to that as we will win v Wales.
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Flying Hogans wrote:
Will be at the game come what may too. Can always watch a highlights programme for England-Wales.

its as they say a no brainer. saturdays game at the vic is one i have been waiting for/ anyway if pools were away down south and without the live stram i would not be watching england live anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: England V Wales.
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I love how Southgate excused England’s performance against the Yanks by highlighting the problem their physical effort created problems…why, are England not fit…..?
Mr Southgate, you knew what to expect and should have come up with tactics to counter their approach, obviously you didn’t or couldn’t. Constantly referring to the mantra of accepting a draw is OK, as long as you don’t lose. Nah.

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 Post subject: Re: England V Wales.
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Seemed to me we were playing with Tactical Shackles on v theyanks.

In all honesty Wales have been really poor, Nothing more than a comfortable win will suffice.


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Yes FIFA should change the KO time. :)



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 Post subject: Re: England V Wales.
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Snowy wrote:
Mr Southgate, you knew what to expect and should have come up with tactics to counter their approach, obviously you didn’t or couldn’t. Constantly referring to the mantra of accepting a draw is OK, as long as you don’t lose. Nah.

no typical tournament football or typical football of today. honestly i cannot remember a good 90 minute game last as you seem to get a good 45 minutes and then a dire one or the other way round depending on the state of the game. can understand fans missing the first few minutes as there is rarely anything to cheer about.


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 Post subject: Re: England V Wales.
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Mr Southgate, you knew what to expect and should have come up with tactics to counter their approach, obviously you didn’t or couldn’t. Constantly referring to the mantra of accepting a draw is OK, as long as you don’t lose. Nah.

no typical tournament football or typical football of today. honestly i cannot remember a good 90 minute game last as you seem to get a good 45 minutes and then a dire one or the other way round depending on the state of the game. can understand fans missing the first few minutes as there is rarely anything to cheer about.


What on earth are you getting at.

We do some of the best sideways passing you will ever see, The modern game eh!


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 Post subject: Re: England V Wales.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:39 am 
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Tournament football is right. The only surprise in these group games is the number of sides supposedly making up the numbers who have beaten well-fancied teams.

England could play out another crap draw with Wales and still win their group. All will be forgiven if they beat teams in the knock-out games - just like Bobby Robson's England at Italia 90.


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 Post subject: Re: England V Wales.
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We are England and should play like England, The welsh will be getting in our faces and we need to give it back.


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 Post subject: Re: England V Wales.
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accrington fan wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Mr Southgate, you knew what to expect and should have come up with tactics to counter their approach, obviously you didn’t or couldn’t. Constantly referring to the mantra of accepting a draw is OK, as long as you don’t lose. Nah.

no typical tournament football or typical football of today. honestly i cannot remember a good 90 minute game last as you seem to get a good 45 minutes and then a dire one or the other way round depending on the state of the game. can understand fans missing the first few minutes as there is rarely anything to cheer about.


Oh No! You cant miss the first few minutes because that would mean you would miss the "knee taking" which would mean you would have no idea that there was racism and unfairness in the world. I mean, it would make the knee taking a pointless waste of time. Nope, mustn't miss the first few minutes. Ok to do something more entertaining after that.


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 Post subject: Re: England V Wales.
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Oh No! You cant miss the first few minutes because that would mean you would miss the "knee taking" which would mean you would have no idea that there was racism and unfairness in the world. I mean, it would make the knee taking a pointless waste of time. Nope, mustn't miss the first few minutes. Ok to do something more entertaining after that.


You do realise Pools have gone back to taking the knee before every game? Gonna stop supporting them as well?

Excellent performance from England, on to the knock out stages on Sunday. We should have too much for Senegal as well.


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 Post subject: Re: England V Wales.
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Pools taking the knee? Christ I hope not.

As for England, now they have beaten a superb Wales team they'll brush Senegal aside no problem and go on to win the World Cup. I am convinced of it.


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 Post subject: Re: England V Wales.
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Pools taking the knee? Christ I hope not.

As for England, now they have beaten a superb Wales team they'll brush Senegal aside and go on to win the World Cup. I am convinced of it.


The death of George Floyd was horrendous behavior from a bent Policeman but the BLM have made there point and got worldwide recognition for it.
His memory will live on like the English journalist who had his head cut off and English Soldier not long ago murdered. Its a touchy subject but i think football pitches have more than respected the BLM.
Time to get back to Football pitches for Football.

As for England job done and lets win on Sunday.


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 Post subject: Re: England V Wales.
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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Pools taking the knee? Christ I hope not.


When was the last time you saw a game? :roll: BTW, a lot more people clap than boo these days. Maybe if Pools go on a winning streak the fair weather fans who are currently staying away will come back and change that. Wouldn't surprise me in the least :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: England V Wales.
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Flying Hogans wrote:
Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Pools taking the knee? Christ I hope not.


When was the last time you saw a game? :roll: BTW, a lot more people clap than boo these days. Maybe if Pools go on a winning streak the fair weather fans who are currently staying away will come back and change that. Wouldn't surprise me in the least :roll:


Wouldn't surprise me either. Twas ever thus. Guess what? It isn't just Pools. I have been very interested football for many decades and I have noticed that teams from all four divisions and below actually attract larger crowds if they are winning and their attendances decline when they their form dips. I guess human nature being what it is; people don't want to watch their team beaten on a regular basis whereas they will turn up in numbers to watch their team win week in and week out. There's nowt so queer as folk, is there?


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 Post subject: Re: England V Wales.
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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Pools taking the knee? Christ I hope not.


When was the last time you saw a game? :roll: BTW, a lot more people clap than boo these days. Maybe if Pools go on a winning streak the fair weather fans who are currently staying away will come back and change that. Wouldn't surprise me in the least :roll:


Wouldn't surprise me either. Twas ever thus. Guess what? It isn't just Pools. I have been very interested football for many decades and I have noticed that teams from all four divisions and below actually attract larger crowds if they are winning and their attendances decline when they their form dips. I guess human nature being what it is; people don't want to watch their team beaten on a regular basis whereas they will turn up in numbers to watch their team win week in and week out. There's nowt so queer as folk, is there?


Clever little body swerve around the point you know I was making so I'll spell it out for you - a lot of Pools' fair weather fans are noisy gobshites. Bet that's the same in all four divisions an all.


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 Post subject: Re: England V Wales.
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One little ironic point about taking the knee, when we played the US, their players did not take the knee.
Point made, but this gesture has seen it’s day, time to move on.

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 Post subject: Re: England V Wales.
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Flying Hogans wrote:
Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Flying Hogans wrote:
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Pools taking the knee? Christ I hope not.


When was the last time you saw a game? :roll: BTW, a lot more people clap than boo these days. Maybe if Pools go on a winning streak the fair weather fans who are currently staying away will come back and change that. Wouldn't surprise me in the least :roll:


Wouldn't surprise me either. Twas ever thus. Guess what? It isn't just Pools. I have been very interested football for many decades and I have noticed that teams from all four divisions and below actually attract larger crowds if they are winning and their attendances decline when they their form dips. I guess human nature being what it is; people don't want to watch their team beaten on a regular basis whereas they will turn up in numbers to watch their team win week in and week out. There's nowt so queer as folk, is there?


Clever little body swerve around the point you know I was making so I'll spell it out for you - a lot of Pools' fair weather fans are noisy gobshites. Bet that's the same in all four divisions an all.


Theres loads of so called Poolie Noisy Gobshite Fairweather fans who are part time and sometimes prefer to watch on Ifollow.
About 2000 and im proud to be one of them. Especially under this Chairman.
I put Darts bfor Pools.
Im a bad fan :lol: :lol:.
Yes ya both correct.
The other 91 clubs will welcome part timers when they show Ambition.
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 Post subject: Re: England V Wales.
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Snowy wrote:
One little ironic point about taking the knee, when we played the US, their players did not take the knee.
Point made, but this gesture has seen it’s day, time to move on.

think the yanks really showed that its something thats had its time. it was born there and they seem to have put it to bed.


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 Post subject: Re: England V Wales.
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kevin pooles gloves wrote:
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Theres loads of so called Poolie Noisy Gobshite Fairweather fans who are part time and sometimes prefer to watch on Ifollow.
About 2000 and im proud to be one of them. Especially under this Chairman.
I put Darts bfor Pools.
Im a bad fan :lol: :lol:.
Yes ya both correct.
The other 91 clubs will welcome part timers when they show Ambition.
UTP.

i i lived down clarence road i,d be the same. years ago when we all went to the pictures did we bother when a crap film was on am also an avid ifollower and will not use the 170 mile round trip as an excuse


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RIP Wales

I'm presuming from all the tributes on BBC breakfast this morning that it must have died overnight in its sleep


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 Post subject: Re: England V Wales.
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Snowy wrote:
One little ironic point about taking the knee, when we played the US, their players did not take the knee.
Point made, but this gesture has seen it’s day, time to move on.


If that's the USA squad's choice, fair enough. In this country too it's down to the players to decide. The FA's guidance since the beginning of last season has been:
"Taking the knee is an individual choice that many players wish to make as a way of peacefully demonstrating against racism and injustice. We ask that fans respect any player that wishes to take the knee and support them in their stance against discrimination."

The England players "decided collectively" (according to the Daily Express) that they were going to go back to taking the knee for the World Cup. Pretending that the 26 millionaires in the England squad are all mindless puppets of 'woke' Gareth Southgate, as one or two on here are doing, is a bit pathetic.

The same goes for the current Hartlepool squad (apart from the millionaires bit, obviously :lol:) I doubt very much that Pools going back to taking the knee (after it tailed off under Graeme Lee) has much to do with Keith Curle. Only a handful of the players who worked under Lee are still at the club. If the new dressing room has decided that they want to take the knee, that's up to them.

Personally I might agree with you that "this gesture has seen it’s day." But like a lot of other Poolies I also think it's piss poor of fans to boo their own players at the start of a match. That's what the applause is about.


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i,ll never boo but neither will i applaud. hate all kinds of collective decisions no matter what they are and wish players were left to their own personal choice to do or not to do anything without any comeback from anywhere because of it. rather be the odd man out than being a sheep.


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The thing is, when does it stop or is this going to go on forever….. it’s a gesture that has served it’s purpose but it appears no one has has the common sense or more likely the fear of suggesting it’s time move on. They’re trapped in a cycle of their own making and no one has the balls to say ok, time to move on.
Also it marks a semi politicisation of the game which I abhor.

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wish players were left to their own personal choice to do or not to do anything without any comeback from anywhere because of it.


It's an individual decision in theory, but a majority decision in practice. Managers talk all the time about 'the group' but really it's just new jargon for an old concept - that teams that are really united in training and off the field tend to do best in competition. Alex Ferguson's Aberdeen and Man United teams were all about being a close knit group with a siege mentality at times.

It takes an ego the size of Wilf Zaha's to go against 'the group' and not take the knee when most teammates want to do it, but it is possible. His ego might be one reason he's not in the England squad - but it's also a reason why none of the top teams have taken a chance on him for the past 5-6 seasons despite his talent.


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‘It’s served its purpose’? What difference has it made? Will the Arab states change?


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Flying Hogans wrote:
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wish players were left to their own personal choice to do or not to do anything without any comeback from anywhere because of it.




It takes an ego the size of Wilf Zaha's to go against 'the group' and not take the knee when most teammates want to do it, but it is possible. His ego might be one reason he's not in the England squad - but it's also a reason why none of the top teams have taken a chance on him for the past 5-6 seasons despite his talent.

think there is a lot in that. doubt its just one issue where he has gone against a majority decision and possibly the type of lad who will be quite happy if he has played well but his team has not and they have lost a game. if so i can really understand that. in life you are a team player or not and i seriously doubt each type will ever understand the other. being from a family who always did it their way i just followed them and sod the rest but with problems created along the journey.


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‘It’s served its purpose’? What difference has it made? Will the Arab states change?

actually has it turned peoples opinions after seeing it. for a few i know its made them less tolerant rather than more. same with the green protesters and all the sexual minority lot. push things too far and they may create a new problem.


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‘It’s served its purpose’? What difference has it made? Will the Arab states change?

I should have said it served it’s purpose for those who chose to observe it….. it’s changed nothing in reality…as for the ‘Arab States’ …why would they change….that’s their culture, which the west try to arrogantly re-model into their own image.
Do the Arabs tell us how to live our lives…?

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Flying Hogans wrote:
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It takes an ego the size of Wilf Zaha's to go against 'the group' and not take the knee.

Where does ‘ego’ come into it sctatchinghead ….to me he’s simply showing strong character and sticking by his beliefs….. solidarity on the pitch when the whistle blows is one thing….the rest is petty group think.

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Flying Hogans wrote:
Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Flying Hogans wrote:
Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Pools taking the knee? Christ I hope not.


When was the last time you saw a game? :roll: BTW, a lot more people clap than boo these days. Maybe if Pools go on a winning streak the fair weather fans who are currently staying away will come back and change that. Wouldn't surprise me in the least :roll:


Wouldn't surprise me either. Twas ever thus. Guess what? It isn't just Pools. I have been very interested football for many decades and I have noticed that teams from all four divisions and below actually attract larger crowds if they are winning and their attendances decline when they their form dips. I guess human nature being what it is; people don't want to watch their team beaten on a regular basis whereas they will turn up in numbers to watch their team win week in and week out. There's nowt so queer as folk, is there?


Clever little body swerve around the point you know I was making so I'll spell it out for you - a lot of Pools' fair weather fans are noisy gobshites. Bet that's the same in all four divisions an all.


Well who am I to question your extensive knowledge of "noisy gobshites"? No doubt you have forgotten more about the subject than I could ever know. I must add that I stand back in awestruck amazement at your ability to make the wildest generalizations based on nothing but malice.


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Flying Hogans wrote:
accrington fan wrote:
wish players were left to their own personal choice to do or not to do anything without any comeback from anywhere because of it.


It's an individual decision in theory, but a majority decision in practice. Managers talk all the time about 'the group' but really it's just new jargon for an old concept - that teams that are really united in training and off the field tend to do best in competition. Alex Ferguson's Aberdeen and Man United teams were all about being a close knit group with a siege mentality at times.

It takes an ego the size of Wilf Zaha's to go against 'the group' and not take the knee when most teammates want to do it, but it is possible. His ego might be one reason he's not in the England squad - but it's also a reason why none of the top teams have taken a chance on him for the past 5-6 seasons despite his talent.


Yeah, either that or he has chosen to play for Ivory Coast.


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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Flying Hogans wrote:
Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
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Pools taking the knee? Christ I hope not.


Clever little body swerve around the point you know I was making so I'll spell it out for you - a lot of Pools' fair weather fans are noisy gobshites. Bet that's the same in all four divisions an all.


Well who am I to question your extensive knowledge of "noisy gobshites"? No doubt you have forgotten more about the subject than I could ever know. I must add that I stand back in awestruck amazement at your ability to make the wildest generalizations based on nothing but malice.


There's no malice in anything I post - I always try to focus on the post not the poster. In this case, your "woke warriors."

And yes, I do know something about noisy gobshites - the kind who turn up in the Mill House a few times a season and spend most of the match shouting abuse at their own players. I wasn't tarring everybody with the same brush - unless you think 'a lot' means 'all'?

Fair point about Zaha, though he did play for the full England team twice before switching to Ivory Coast because he wasn't getting picked by England.


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I should have said it served it’s purpose for those who chose to observe it….. it’s changed nothing in reality…as for the ‘Arab States’ …why would they change….that’s their culture, which the west try to arrogantly re-model into their own image.
Do the Arabs tell us how to live our lives…?

the arrogance of the west especially the english shows this up well. its not just arabs where plenty of muslims in this country have similar views to them. these views are deplored by the west therefore all this diversity crap is only relevent when it suits us certains agendas,


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