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 Post subject: Cheeky F*$£er!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:37 pm 
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Now that is feckin' devious :angry-tappingfoot:

https://www.skysports.com/football/stev ... ort/468590

Why didn't anyone shout "He's behind you!" Pantomime of a goal.

Only what you'd expect from a team coached by Steve Evans. rakxe


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I’m surprised it’s even allowed. Ah well. :angry-tappingfoot:

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If that is not ungentlemanly conduct I don't know what is.

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The background of home shirts and the positioning of Rose behind the post all contributed to a very unsporting contrived situation.
There should at least be an enquiry into what can only be described as very dubious behaviour.
I would not be pleased if we did that.

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He's the footballing equivalent of a Fifth Columnist. Surprised he didn't come onto the pitch disguised as a nun.


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Looking at the replay, he's left the field of play. He's behind the goal line. If he was on the goal line then no problem. But as he's behind the goal line, he's left the field of play without the permission of the referee.

Therefore - no goal and a yellow card should have been the outcome.


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Looks like the only way they could score was by schoolboy antics, a bit pathetic really.

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Mute Witness wrote:
Looking at the replay, he's left the field of play. He's behind the goal line. If he was on the goal line then no problem. But as he's behind the goal line, he's left the field of play without the permission of the referee.

Therefore - no goal and a yellow card should have been the outcome.

Seen this happen a few times forwards takeing the piss avin a laff and its always been disallowed.
Attention seeking referee being a full knob.
Be interesting what the pundits on EFL think or top former referees.
Nailed on if a Pools player did it. Would off been disallowed n probably a yellow card.


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Mute Witness wrote:
Looking at the replay, he's left the field of play. He's behind the goal line. If he was on the goal line then no problem. But as he's behind the goal line, he's left the field of play without the permission of the referee.

Therefore - no goal and a yellow card should have been the outcome.

all that is true, but try selling that decision to the scoring side who are at home with the leagues top gobshites in the bench. actually its a question i asked at a refs meeting just after i finished the course. if a player leaves the field of play to avoid being off side and his team scores what decision should be made. answer from a FL lino, ignore it unless you want to create a big problem for yourself and are able to deal with the situation. what would VAR have done i wonder.


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Interesting quote regarding var.
Surely there is a yes or no answer!?


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thing is if we had done it and came back with 3 points we,d be all pissing ourselves with laughter and taking the piss out of their keeper and that nice mr.evans. mind you things like that only happen to reams near the top and not the struggling ones.


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thing is if we had done it and came back with 3 points we,d be all pissing ourselves with laughter and taking the piss out of their keeper and that nice mr.evans. mind you things like that only happen to reams near the top and not the struggling ones.

Got to agree with you there….BUT….., if it was me I’d also feel a bit embarrassed about it but bank the three points.

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Snowy wrote:
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thing is if we had done it and came back with 3 points we,d be all pissing ourselves with laughter and taking the piss out of their keeper and that nice mr.evans. mind you things like that only happen to reams near the top and not the struggling ones.

Got to agree with you there….BUT….., if it was me I’d also feel a bit embarrassed about it but bank the three points.

got passed feeling any embarrasment for a fluky win after leaving games fuming where we should have won but threw it away. far more of the latter than the former and need a few to even stuff up a bit.


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I,m not Killips biggest fan, And shit happens.

The player deliberately stayed off field of play to gain an advantage, If there is no rule for that fair enough.
IMO the goal should have been ruled out for that reason.

Umerah, CF job mainly to score goals missed what could be described as a golden chance
And we would draw 1-1 and would not have been so narked.

Not having a go at Josh by the way...


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Grayhoundend wrote:
I,m not Killips biggest fan, And shit happens.

The player deliberately stayed off field of play to gain an advantage, If there is no rule for that fair enough.
IMO the goal should have been ruled out for that reason.

Umerah, CF job mainly to score goals missed what could be described as a golden chance
And we would draw 1-1 and would not have been so narked.

Not having a go at Josh by the way...


I agree. Josh is a good player, not just for goal scoring but his all round game. If he scored a higher percentage of the chances he gets, he would be playing at a higher level than League Two.


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I am still disgusted that Stevenage have got away with one of the most unsporting pieces of unacceptable behaviour I have ever seen. Has the game stooped so low in it's acceptance of cheating, diving, play acting, time wasting, feigning injury, that it is just going to shrug it's collective shoulders and come up with the usual "that's football".
It's not football for me and I would not celebrate that behaviour from a Pools player.
I accept the decision to allow it to stand, cos I have to, but I'll never agree with it.
I hate losing but I would never stoop to that behaviour in order to win.
Over the years football has been virtually stripped of any sporting behaviour and we've come to accept that but a line has to be drawn somewhere, surely.

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Too late for us, I know, but I wonder if the FA might have a look at the video and consider a rule change.


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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Too late for us, I know, but I wonder if the FA might have a look at the video and consider a rule change.


With all due respect Ozzy.
Your talking about football authorities, The same people who have totally destroyed the offside rule.
And because of thier incomptence some player one day is going to be seriously injured.


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derwent wrote:
I am still disgusted that Stevenage have got away with one of the most unsporting pieces of unacceptable behaviour I have ever seen. Has the game stooped so low in it's acceptance of cheating, diving, play acting, time wasting, feigning injury, that it is just going to shrug it's collective shoulders and come up with the usual "that's football".
It's not football for me and I would not celebrate that behaviour from a Pools player.
I accept the decision to allow it to stand, cos I have to, but I'll never agree with it.
I hate losing but I would never stoop to that behaviour in order to win.
Over the years football has been virtually stripped of any sporting behaviour and we've come to accept that but a line has to be drawn somewhere, surely.


Agree no one likes a cheat, But it seems to be acceptable.
We will just have to wait till Stevenage and Mr Rose visit the Vic, Then maybe we could let him know what we think of him.


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derwent wrote:
I am still disgusted that Stevenage have got away with one of the most unsporting pieces of unacceptable behaviour I have ever seen. Has the game stooped so low in it's acceptance of cheating, diving, play acting, time wasting, feigning injury, that it is just going to shrug it's collective shoulders and come up with the usual "that's football".
It's not football for me and I would not celebrate that behaviour from a Pools player.
I accept the decision to allow it to stand, cos I have to, but I'll never agree with it.
I hate losing but I would never stoop to that behaviour in order to win.
Over the years football has been virtually stripped of any sporting behaviour and we've come to accept that but a line has to be drawn somewhere, surely.


It was quite ironic some Stevenage fans calling Pools cheats because of time wasting.


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Grayhoundend wrote:
derwent wrote:
I am still disgusted that Stevenage have got away with one of the most unsporting pieces of unacceptable behaviour I have ever seen. Has the game stooped so low in it's acceptance of cheating, diving, play acting, time wasting, feigning injury, that it is just going to shrug it's collective shoulders and come up with the usual "that's football".
It's not football for me and I would not celebrate that behaviour from a Pools player.
I accept the decision to allow it to stand, cos I have to, but I'll never agree with it.
I hate losing but I would never stoop to that behaviour in order to win.
Over the years football has been virtually stripped of any sporting behaviour and we've come to accept that but a line has to be drawn somewhere, surely.


Agree no one likes a cheat, But it seems to be acceptable.
We will just have to wait till Stevenage and Mr Rose visit the Vic, Then maybe we could let him know what we think of him.

When Rose turns up at the Vic will he be in camouflage…..?

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Danny Rose is very pleased with himself.

"“I’ve done it once before for Bury about six or seven years ago but it wasn’t as well timed as that,” said Rose.

“I was just on the blind side of the keeper. I gambled from a cross and just stayed in the goal. He did threaten to put it out once and I thought he was going to spot me, but he didn’t and the second time I’ve pounced and luckily I’ve managed to put it in the back of the net."

'Gambled for a cross' my backside. If he's done it before and got away with it, it's odds on the whole thing was premeditated. What a tosspot!
I'll be on the throat lozenges all week warming up for the return fixture on April 10th.


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Absolute bollox. If we'd have done it we'd have been bouncing allover.


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Dustin Gee wrote:
Absolute bollox. If we'd have done it we'd have been bouncing allover.


You reckon? Hypothetical really, I'm struggling to think of a Pools forward past or present who would stoop to a stunt like that. Jack Compton maybe? He was always a bit of a dick.


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If one of our players had done it, I’d have found it hilarious and welcomed the the three points…..but…… I’d realistically class it as a cheating goal, a fluke, a novelty and not fit of even being classed worthy of the word goal.
Obtaining a ‘goal’ by deception…in the spirit of the game he cheated……even if you did that as kids, it would end in a fight.

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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Too late for us, I know, but I wonder if the FA might have a look at the video and consider a rule change.

will it be called The Pools Law though.


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anyone remember back in the days of christmas DVD,s. One was always keepers blunders and i,m sure andy dibble was involved in something similar. That was well over 20 years ago, so in this respect the game has not changed.


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Grayhoundend wrote:

With all due respect Ozzy.
Your talking about football authorities, The same people who have totally destroyed the offside rule.
And because of thier incomptence some player one day is going to be seriously injured.

its a disaster just waiting to happen with a good chance of pools or another struggler being involved. one day a player will be clear through on goal, the keeper comes out and whipes him out and then the flag goes up. this gives the ref a decision to make which could be avoided. what would be the decision in the end. free kick for offside or a free kick for the attacking side and the keeper sent off. possibly the first as offside is only classed as a position and not an offence but i would not put money on it.


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So hiding behind the netting/post in the back of the goal is allowed then, so if I stand behind a corner flag off the pitch and someone lobs the ball forward over the last defender, I then run on the pitch and score is that allowed too?

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In fact why not go the whole hog and stand behind the line in the goal for the entire match and keep the opposition keeper company..?
Once the ball crosse the goal line is it classed as in play or out of play sctatchinghead

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errr no because you are offside, your team having played the ball forward. In this instance, Killip has played the ball, so Rose is onside. The question is, as he was off the pitch for a length of time, should the referee have had to allow him back on? If he had been on the pitch, and Killip had not checked for him, then no qualms about the goal, but he has left the field of play to gain an advantage.


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Dustin Gee wrote:
Absolute bollox. If we'd have done it we'd have been bouncing allover.


You might have been bouncing all over but you're not speaking for me. A lot of things happen in football, which are not in the spirit of the game but have actually become part of the game but there are things that take bad sportsmanship to another depth and that behaviour is one of them.
The "Rose trick" certainly isn't new and has been done before but thankfully it is very rare. Any idea why that is???
I'll give you a clue...............the vast majority of players have refused to stoop so slow as to even contemplate it but you would welcome our players winning by such a method. That tells us a lot.

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errr no because you are offside, your team having played the ball forward. In this instance, Killip has played the ball, so Rose is onside. The question is, as he was off the pitch for a length of time, should the referee have had to allow him back on? If he had been on the pitch, and Killip had not checked for him, then no qualms about the goal, but he has left the field of play to gain an advantage.

Er, I wasn’t proposing it as tactic, just annoyed at the so called ’professionalism’ , that much used phrase they use to legitimise cheating…in my opinion.

Mind you, is the space in the net behind the goal line classed as in play.

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The "Rose trick" certainly isn't new and has been done before but thankfully it is very rare. Any idea why that is???
I'll give you a clue...............the vast majority of players have refused to stoop so slow as to even contemplate it but you would welcome our players winning by such a method. That tells us a lot.

or the other clue with keepers now releasing the ball from their hands to play it is that they are more switched on about the possibility of a player being behind them from an earlier move that broke down. watch the next game and they,ll all look behind them just in case before releasing it from their hands.


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[quote="paulus the woodgnome and a side salad"]So hiding behind the netting/post in the back of the goal is allowed then,
being lazy i cannot be bothered looking at it yet again. did he deliberatly run there earlier in the play to hide or just there by accident before killip had the ball. two quite different events.


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The "Rose trick" certainly isn't new and has been done before but thankfully it is very rare. Any idea why that is???
I'll give you a clue...............the vast majority of players have refused to stoop so slow as to even contemplate it but you would welcome our players winning by such a method. That tells us a lot.

or the other clue with keepers now releasing the ball from their hands to play it is that they are more switched on about the possibility of a player being behind them from an earlier move that broke down. watch the next game and they,ll all look behind them just in case before releasing it from their hands.


Oh I have no doubt that some players may have been alerted to the fact of what Rose did and has got away with, perhaps encouraging them to be aware that they can get away with it as well. Hopefully it will end there and the vast majority will stlll think "not for me".
The biggest fear I have is the reaction of kids who might now think I'll try that because they do try and emulate the Pros, as we all know.
WE have to promote what is good for the game and nobody will ever convince me what Rose did was, in any way shape or form, good for the game.
If he was signed by Pools tomorrow, then tomorrow would be be the start of my boycott until he pisses off.
That's how strongly I feel about this.

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accrington fan wrote:
anyone remember back in the days of christmas DVD,s. One was always keepers blunders and i,m sure andy dibble was involved in something similar. That was well over 20 years ago, so in this respect the game has not changed.


Not Andy Dibble but this is from 3 years ago, Carlisle v Notts County

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JBPoolie wrote:
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anyone remember back in the days of christmas DVD,s. One was always keepers blunders and i,m sure andy dibble was involved in something similar. That was well over 20 years ago, so in this respect the game has not changed.


Not Andy Dibble but this is from 3 years ago, Carlisle v Notts County

https://youtu.be/ZqDpa0BC4eo


Then this was only back in May which helped get Luton into the Championship play-offs

https://youtu.be/ZW-jsWRJ9fQ


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Big difference both players were on the pitch and not stooped down hiding in the goal


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Big difference both players were on the pitch and not stooped down hiding in the goal


EXACTLY

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derwent wrote:
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Big difference both players were on the pitch and not stooped down hiding in the goal


EXACTLY


I wasn’t making out those clips were exactly the same as our injustice, just that similar ones do happen.


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Big difference both players were on the pitch and not stooped down hiding in the goal


EXACTLY


I wasn’t making out those clips were exactly the same as our injustice, just that similar ones do happen.

I don’t think they’re having a pop at you. :wink:

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JBPoolie wrote:
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Big difference both players were on the pitch and not stooped down hiding in the goal


EXACTLY


I wasn’t making out those clips were exactly the same as our injustice, just that similar ones do happen.


I'm not having a go at you, merely agreeing with the perceived difference.

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How would it be if, at the return game, at the first corner, Kilip comes out for a punched clearance & just chins the bastard ?


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Oh & just to rub salt in, the bugger made the league 2 team.of the week !


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I suspected he’s more suited to the Pantomime team of the season…”He’s behind you?”

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How would it be if, at the return game, at the first corner, Kilip comes out for a punched clearance & just chins the bastard ?


You lost me at "Killip comes out for a punched clearance..." :confusion-confused:

A bear trap in each corner of the net would do it.


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Flying Hogans wrote:
The Kit Kat Kid wrote:
How would it be if, at the return game, at the first corner, Kilip comes out for a punched clearance & just chins the bastard ?


You lost me at "Killip comes out for a punched clearance..." :confusion-confused:

A bear trap in each corner of the net would do it.


In another thread someone suggesting tethering Rat Boy to a goal post. I think that would be a good way of keeping Mr Rose honest.


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 Post subject: Re: Cheeky F*$£er!
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Bless him, he’d enjoy that. :animals-dogrun:

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