Caught a discussion on one of the channels where a contributor pointed out that there are not enough minerals on earth to provide the batteries for all the electric cars that will be needed when petrol/ diesel cars will be history in 2030….. The opposing spokesman said that’s not really a problem as public transport will be coming to the fore to replace the cars.
Now cost apart, which is ridiculous, it looks like electric cars will be for those who can afford the higher cost and non public use/ownership.
Looks like it’s not for the likes of us.

Apparently the deadline has now been pushed back to 2040 as 2030 is unachievable.

Yes that may have some truth in it that there is not enough raw materials. The rollout of charging points is extremely slow yet it would appear that the manufacturers are going down the electric road at some speed according to a few people i know in the business. (no not Arthur Daley)
As regard public transport i just despair. Lots of investment in the south east and the big cities but jack shit elsewhere.
Hartlepool has a "transport interchange" at the railway station yet only a few buses go there and the experiment of running 2 or 3 number 36s to it a day was discontinued on 30-10-22??????????
Perhaps the unpublished plan is to electrify and provide top grade public transport to these big centres and the rest of us can continue in our Austin Allegros and 25 year old diesel busses or there is no plan and the stuff thats pumped into us is simply to keep us on side.




The driving experience with an electric is fantastic

Time to buy some horses.

Time to buy some horses.

Only drawback is the noise simulator making the sound of milk bottle crates.

The Poldark look or Jet pack flying..it's all about image.

Can't imagine taking one of them to any of our notorious hit and run retail car parks,Ouch!!£££

Questions that are never really answered, how much does it cost to charge an electric car, how is the electricity generated to do that, green energy, what is the lifespan of the batteries, how much does it cost to replace them and what do with the old ones as they could be full of toxic chemicals.
You have an electric car, you suddenly need to go somewhere in a hurry for what ever reason but you can’t as the battery needs charging or is charging ?
More research should be going into hydrogen cars, more complex but at least you can fill it up and not wait for a battery to charge.

The battery is the most expensive part of the car ( some say50% ) and they ain’t cheap.
I fully expect home charging points to be (for those with smart meters) to be on a different tariff, now you know why they want us all to have them. I then expect the pric3 to be in line with petrol and just as variable.
They’ve also decided electric cars will now have to pay Road Tax, suddenly the benefits diminish.
The cheap end of motoring as well know it will disappear , no rides out or trips to the supermarket, you’ll have the joy of the bus or we’ll get glorified golf buggies to tootle us around at 10 mph…..and if the green whingers get their way no meat or dairy products either.

Nah, the eco warriors won’t allow that, you’d be exploiting animals don’tcha know…..the closest you’ll get to a horse is Shanks’s Pony. The future is stout boots..made from recycled lentils no doubt.

[quote="Snowy"]The battery is the most expensive part of the car ( some say50% ) and they ain’t cheap.
all new techknology is expensive at the start. remember the initial costs of DVD players when they came out. got a feeling they,ll become cheaper and after 2030 they will come out with a really good scrappage scheme for people to ditch their petrol and diesal cars for them. they will make petrol and diesel even harder to buy through lack of filling stations and the price of it. what annoys me most is i doubt the majority of us are in favour of all this but we rarely get a hearing on the subject. just wonder what they,ll think up after the climate does not change in 30 years time after our lives are being ruined. at least i doubt i,ll be around to suffer it.

Enough lithium is currently mined to produce batteries for 14 million new cars each year but we currently produce 75 million new cars annually. I guess the other 61 million cars get an elastic band or Fred Flintstone flooring. Even if they come up with a way of recycling the lithium within existing batteries, it's going to take a long time before we'll all get one. Hydrogen is the future but I guess there's not enough money in that for the money men at the moment.

do not know much about electrical engineering but i thought it could be possible in the future for a small electric generator like a big alternator to power a larger electric engine to power the car. then all you would need is a conventional battery to start the thing up. that would do away with charging points. anyone who knows more than me please reply.

The generators need fuel, petrol or diesel ?

The receives around £25 billion a year in fuel duty, I am not sure if that includes VAT, how are they going to recoup that sort of money if we all have electric cars and not using fuel.
I remember they pushed people towards buying diesel cars as they were more fuel efficient, diesel was cheaper than petrol, well it used to be but not now.

If the Green lobby is right and all the ills of the World come from the use of fossil fuels then maybe we won't need that £25 billion a year as everything will be good in the World and illness will be a thing of the past........

need a very strong anti green lobby who get as much publicity as the greens to slow down this madness. even if they are totally correct it took nearly 300 years to get where we are so the brakes should be applied now. doubt even another 30 years will change things by slowing things down a bit.

When the minority Woke droids get their way, ( and god knows why, governments, big business and the media back them) , an electric car won’t be for the likes of us.
We’ll actually go backwards…you can forget holidays abroad unless you walk and swim there because these people are driven by a burning agenda to take us all backwards if you follow there full agenda….all work and only approved play.
George Orwell would have a field day describing it, they’re North Korea with lentils.

they also want us to ditch meat, ditch cash and follow their controlled puritanical lifestyle. any organisation that has the word World in front of it needs us to be wary. just the same as when things are called Smart. smart for who, not us. its up to the non woke to fight back and fight back hard before iys too late from the schools, workplace down to the jale and lentil growers.

I find the idea of ditching cash the most sinister….because everyone’s spending habits will be known and also indicate your whereabouts.

Hydrogen requires batteries as well. A hydrogen fuel cell uses hydrogen to create electricity which then goes into a battery which powers the car. Producing hydrogen is also pretty expensive and energy intensive. It's the most common element in the universe, but it's not just sitting underground in large amounts like oil is*. I'm pretty sure our main way of getting it involves a good amount of electricity and methane.

Beyond batteries, you have the fact that current power grids aren't capable of handling a large number of electric cars on top of current capacity. The government's been on about potential black and brown outs for years, and we're in the middle of an energy crisis as it is. Imagine if even 10% of drivers were plugging their car in every few days on top of that? The main problem is, businesses and governments are going all in on electric for whatever reason and there is little promotion or infrastructure spending for anything else. Nobody's getting a hydrogen powered car if there's only three places you can refuel it within 200 miles.

If I had to gamble, I'd say the future involves a combination of biofuel and hybrids. Biofuel is technically carbon-neutral as the stuff you're getting it from (corn etc.) pulls the carbon it contains from the atmosphere as it's being grown so it balances out in the end. Hybrids also require lithium-based batteries, but you need enough capacity for ~60 miles as opposed to the 400 or so top-end electric cars currently have, and you can always just rely on the engine when the grid needs a rest. Either that or we're all going to be forced to use electric buses and e-bikes.

*I mean pure hydrogen here. I'm fully aware it's a key component in oil and natural gas.

Call me a cynic, but the whole climate change hysteria is keeping a lot of unemployable’s in a job for life. It’s like a cult and cult’s are always backed by apparently sane, devoted people who act and speak in way that never tolerates discussion, just adherence to their creed, all other views are ignorant heresy in their staring eyes.
The day someone can explain an event like the ending of the Ice Age relatively quickly and not that long ago with a dusting of humanity in caves serves as my nagging conscience….even the Romans on Hadrian’s Wall growing grapes….. it’s the weather, it changes.

Mind you, it wouldn’t hurt for instance to have an alternative to the car, a public transport service like we had fifty years ago, but subsidised…but nah, better to tart up the car than face the facts.

would enjoy public transport to go back as it was. if it costs as much as an average car journey would do i,d ditch the car tomorrow. it would not take much to get the buses back to as they were but the trains would be another bigger problem. who would have thought in the early 60,s that a train journey from harrogate to hartlepool would need 3 changes of train for such a short journey.

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Hydrogen requires batteries as well. A hydrogen fuel cell uses hydrogen to create electricity which then goes into a battery which powers the car. Producing hydrogen is also pretty expensive and energy intensive. It's the most common element in the universe, but it's not just sitting underground in large amounts like oil is*. I'm pretty sure our main way of getting it involves a good amount of electricity and methane.

vehicles not powered by petrol and diesel are really at infancy. just allow em to be developed at the rate they did from the late 19th century to the pre war period and beyond. at the moment it would have been like the government in 1910 requiring everyone to ditch their horses in a few years time for this new invention. just put the brakes on and everyone will be happy.

A side note I watched a program a while back that showed we had electric vehicles around 125 years ago including electric scooters like the ones for hire.

No matter what you do nowadays you are being tracked, using a mobile, internet etc, even shops loyalty cards track you, the shops know exactly what you are buying. Just returned from my travels, even in the Far East they are now using phones at the checkouts albeit the transaction is a bit slower than here. I always thought Thailand was a cash society but even the people selling from food ‘carts’ have QR codes so you can pay by telephone.
The only way to stop tracking is instal a VPN, Virtual Private Network where you can decide where your location is.

or try our system. she uses my card for her transactions and i use mine for hers and sort out the difference at the end of the month. if i go to a match on my own we swap phones also. anything to bugger em up even if they think i,m a tranny.

Road Tax from 2025,

Next week would be better, they use the road too.

More use of Pogo Sticks needed

I know a guy who carries a little honda generator in the back of his Tesla. The gennie of course runs on petrol but is apparently cheaper to charge the car than plugging it in.

yes and silently too. something thats never mentioned. there are a couple of taxi,s in my town that are electric and you might see em but will not hear em. crossing roads is all about using all your senses and not just your eyes. anyone remember trollybuses once they got rolling. nickname the silent death for very good reasons. expect another highway code change to accomodate them.

They’re deadly in supermarket car parks
I must admit I do like the sound of an engine.

The manufacturers are hurtling down the electric route but not the consumers.........i smell a rat?

That’s intriguing….. go on give us your thoughts because I think they’re jumping the gun too.

I know someone in the industry who alluded to a few things but it is about increased margins and the removal from the market of small cars like the Hyundai i10/Ford Fiesta types (low margins high sales) with entry models being about the size of a Ford Puma etc which is the minimum/optimum shape/size to work as an EV.
But thats it i am afraid but we will get shafted.

Looking like a car will become a luxury item at this rate, but was that always the plan in the first place?

I have a small car 3 1/2 year old with 14000 on clock. I am going to hang onto it until things become clearer.

Wife’s 08 Micra went in 2020 with 137,000 on the clock and just passed it’s test, still had the original exhaust……your car will go for years Mr B….t’is but a pup.

or until you need spare parts and you cannot get hold of them without a day on the phone. now there is very little you cannot find even for a pre war car as many manufacturers used the same parts on different cars and makes. e.g. morris minor brake cylinders fit an early post war humber. whether there will be interest in mundane present cars and parts after 2030 we will not know. certainly do not think there is the same interest with the youngsters in motoring as there was even 15 years back in the days when a late teen early 20 year old could not wait for the new edition of max power coming out. my lads two eldest have no interest whatsoever in cars but thanks to the propaganda they have on globel warming.

Isn’t this controlling ownership of cars by the back door, because no matter how you look at it, car ownership as we know it will be restricted under the green camouflage netting of saving the planet. Electric vehicles will be unaffordable to lower income people and the plebs will be told to use the bus…or E scooter (which are getting well advertised in the media) ..or bike..or walk,,,while extolling the virtues of healthy living and a vegetable/plant based diet for human vegetables to eat.

have we actually reached the peak of what and how the man in the streets lives have become. free speech being controlled if you have a different view from the one they want you to have. food will be different and a 30,s lifestyle in motoring with one car in the street.no cash allowed with living without your ID card, known as the smart phone will be needed permanently stuck to your hand. glad i am 76 and not 26 for sure. the words of never having it so good stopped a few years back for me.

I suspect in the not too distant future lives will be more restricted….. travel in particular, or the freedom to travel for say a day out will be gone. Cars must be on the wish list of pollutants for the green brigade and electric cars out of reach for the likes of us…Most people at onetime never ventured far from their locality….. well those days could be making a comeback apart from your non flying holidays, another target.

covid showed us how the majority could be controlled quite easily with only a few making there own minds up how to actually behave. that virus could not have come at a better time for governments to show them how many sheep there actually are.

Breakthrough?
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Very nice…and the cost is….?

Never ever a truer word spoken on this bunker. bravo Accy.

Very true but who's to blame for all this nonsense The stupid do gooders and the population of sheeples. How does less than 1% of the population gets to totally control the 99% is beyond me and should be embarrassing for us all. The repacussions of this absolute avoidable situation will haunt us and moreover our off springs forever. Just imagine 40 / 50 years time when our children are trying to explain the mess their parents left them in. Our generation are the worst offenders, they give us technology and that brought in the ultimate slavery. Even now the younger ones will be saying it's nothing to do with the super technology, it's most definitely is like. Next the cashless society and the end of our World.

I bought a new full diesel last year and I intend to run it into the ground over however many years it takes rather than be brainwashed into 'going electric' by TV ads, Govt pressure, David Attenbrough, the great unwashed etc etc.