I see that when it gets to the final 2, the MPs get to vote on who they want - then the party members get the final choice, but would the members overrule the MPs after they cocked things up so badly before by selecting Truss?

ie, if the MPs go for Sunak, would the unelected/stuffed shirt members really vote in Johnson knowing full well this would start yet more huge turmoil. Would even they be that stupid?

Yes if it's a choice between him or Johnson. As the saying goes, "They have learned nothing and forgotten nothing."

or hopefully they have both had their arses kicked and might come back better if they have learned there lessons. its us at the bottom who will suffer the most if theyy haven,t.

The was a great line on the BBC programme Ghosts last night.
The politician caught with his pants down said.

"Ah yes the working class. We only need them when they are at the ballot box"

So true.

Or a war.

If there are no other candidates other than Sunak, Johnson and Mordaunt, my choice would be Boris PM, Rishi chancellor and Penny home secretary. The three of them need to sit round a table and thrash this out. All three must be involved in the cabinet. That is the only way to unite and satisfy their individual backers. Until unity is at least returned to the surface this will go on and on as we stumble along to the next general Election.

The German press (Der Spiegel) it likening the Uk to a banana republic with the possibility of its economic rating being dropped even further. We are a worldwide joke.
It was BJ who started this shit show dont forget and people want him back???????????
None of the candidates are creditable, the tories need to look elsewhere or accept a general election.
In days gone by the party concerned would have realised the game is up and gone for an election but this group realise they can get away with another 2 years in which to line their pockets at the expense of the rest of us.

the abbott, rayner and corbyn types in the labour party seem very quiet at the moment. cannot see th carrying on till the next election. it will take only one issue for them to start rocking their boat to end up like the tories are now.

You just have to look at the way Starmer is ignoring union pressure over strikes to see that really isn't the case. Labour haven't been in power for 12 years. They can finally see that they have a very good chance of winning the next election and will present a united front till that is done. The Tory press will spend the next 2 years trying to talk up Labour splits but everyone in the party will toe the Starmer line, just like they did when Blair was leader of the opposition.

Dream on. They'll milk the country dry for personal gain some more nothing else.

Sounds like something Rees-Mogg would say.

Keeping quiet is a smart move by them ,they're not bright enough to make any decisions.

Corbyn is currently an independent after having the whip removed for supporting the Stop the War Group. I think Rayner is beginning to realise she needs to step away from the far left if she wants Labour to have any chance of winning the next election.
Abbot appears to have disappeared of the face of the earth, I think she will be under orders to keep her mouth shut.

It looks like Sunak v Johnson, I think Johnson will win as the Tories members will see him as an general election winner.

The people who think Johnson is the answer must be either:

1. Insane
2. drunk
3. Have the working memory of a goldfish

Or perhaps all 3.

People are not necessarily thinking Johnson is the answer just because they are tipping him for a win. At the moment it's looking like a Johnson v Sunak contest so one of them will probably be the winner but not necessarily the answer to the country's problem's.

My God, we need competence and boring but we've not had that for so many years. People believe the liars and the corrupt and if you want Johnson back then you will get the biggest liar going

Boris has already won. He’s got the 100 needed and the membership will vote for him en masse.

Note you using his first name Boris means you have already bought into the cult, interesting all his real long term friends call him Alex but that would not be a cult name and you wouldn’t use it, see how you have been bought

It's an absolute disgrace for democracy , one clique goes on and on and on

The Sun newspaper is well capable of handling them articles .leave it to them Herr bluestreak.

Is this a first for Der spiegel on a forum?

always think of johnson like one of your mates who you are glad he rolls up at the pub because you get a laugh out of him and his personality makes the night. only problem though he tends to go missing when its his turn to get a round in.

Yes i see your point ......what about Horis?

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The Germans! IMO they have made one of the biggest mistakes imaginable regarding their long term energy strategy. 'Let's completely rely on Russia for all our gas for the foreseeable future, what could possibly go wrong?'

Unfortunately this massive cock up, their massive cock up, has sent prices soaring for everyone.

Application for PM.
https://youtu.be/pCtNxp7sfhE

If you believe MrI has already bought into the cult you not been a member on here too long. MrI and his love pf the Tories goes all the way back to 1975 (at Least) when Mrs T became their leader, Probably even before.

Didn't happen. I seriously doubt that the members will get to vote.

I don’t believe he ever got the 100. He hasn’t flown all the way back from his sunshine holiday to give up when he “thinks he can win” - ⚽️ (It’s balls)

Boris has pulled out of the race that never was.

either the whole country should get a vote by a general election ot conservative MP should decide on the person they have to work with.

Only a few MPs were daft enough to go public on their support for Johnson.
One was our very own Jill Mortimer and the kid from Redcar.

I seriously think if it goes to a vote Mordant could win irrespective of who the MPs want.

She's bluffing about having enough support too. It'll be all over in an hour or so.

The voting system needs to changed.
We should have proportional representation and it should be mandatory to vote like it is Australia then people can’t complain.

The kid from Redcar who declared support for BJ was going to be on radio bbc Tees but when BJ pulled out so did he.
If there is anymore pulling out we will have to allow more immigration in the future to make up for the labour shortage.

And she's dropped out. Surprise to no-one.

So we now not only have a 2nd PM that no one voted for. We now have a PM that his own membership didnt want a few weeks ago, Country in a right mess

The electorate voted the Tories in, the leader of the Tory party is automatically the Prime Minister like Johnson was when they won the last election, the MPs have voted Sunak to be the leader of the Party therefore he is automatically the PM.

Hang about…no one voted in Gordon Brown after Tony jumped ship. That’s exactly the same, no different. The precedent is set.

Or Douglas-Home after MacMillan or Callaghan after Wilson or Major after Thatcher. Major was the only one who bucked the trend and actually won a General Election.

It would be interesting to know who Jill Mortimer and the kid from Redcar eventually backed after publicly backing BJ. Perhaps we will never know.
Also Houchen backed BJ publicly.

Interesting

https://www.nationalworld.com/news/poli ... ce-3891178

I think May won an G. Election ?

True. Forgot about her taking over from Cameron.

Just to say won….she buggered that up big time.

think things have changed over the years. more and more the vote for a PM is getting closer to a vote for a president. now its about a vote for who is the party leader rather than the party itself. if things stay the same for a couple of years it will be sunak v starmer as much as it is tory v labour.

now you are talking, i,m with you all the way on this. unless you are a middle of the road person who is happy with a right wing labour or left wing tory governments there is sod all in it for you to actually vote. we need a new type of brexit party and a left wing labour one to give us more reasons to support someone. at the moment its a wasted vote putting your cross against any party like that.

Stuff proportional representation, you get nowt done, everything’s a coalition that collapses and when the Party’s in the coalition have a tiff and even when it does ‘work’ it’s middle of the road stodge.
Look at the Tories, with their massive majority they could have done what they liked, but it turns out it’s like herding cats getting them to agree.

Yes it was Johnson v Corbyn before and people wouldn’t vote Labour because of Corbyn and his cronies.