Mentioned the triple lock on pensions is to be scrapped after it was said was going to be paid previously.

Would it make any difference if Putin was ‘taken out’ I believe there are others in the Kremlin of a similar mind ?

When did he mention that? He was asked the question on the triple lock but was non commital.
Asking for a few million friends.

We already have one of the lowest pensions. When will the population of the UK wake up?

You'll find that out if they upset the grey vote, upon which they rely for a lot of their support. The triple lock has an air of volatility and maybe a case can be made for it's reform.
I'll kick the debate off by suggesting a decent percentage of the national minimum wage, at lease 75%, should be considered and the payment calculated on 40 hours per week. If the minimum wage is ten quid an hour why would any government only pay less than half that.
Fill yer boots boys.

Whenever I see the headline "Massive Tory Cuts" I wonder who stole the "n"

Non commital means forget about getting the predicted 10% rise with inflation.
Unless u believe in fairy tales.

No the grey vote has power. Exercise it.

Yes you're probably right but they've not give a definite decision, which is what I am looking for.
Having been forced to do U turns they may be just testing the water before actually taking the plunge and having to do another U turn. Yes it is a straw but I am clutching it until we get a definitive decision. My guess is he'll go for the average wage figure but it depends on the reaction from the Tory back benches. Sunak reneged on the triple lock last year when the average wage increase was around 8% and now they may be doing the same with inflation at 10.1%. If they do ignore the inflation rate, then in consecutive years they will have ignored two out of three of the criteria. making the whole idea a farce. There will be consequences to that but we'll see what they come up with.

always think the pension paid should be done much later or early next year. when inflation rates were lower pensioners got a low rise but by the payment date it had gone up making the actual money received nearly worthless. to be fair with inflation as high as it is giving a 10 per cent rise now and inflation dropping would not go down well with workers who will still get offered single figure rises.

Ten per cent sounds a lot but as usual the question has to be asked, ten per cent of what.
The basic pension rate is £185 per week, or £4-63p per hour (based on 40 hours). If workers had to live on that wage, they wouldn't be pleased about that either.
If people think that the minimum wage is poverty line, where do we pitch the basic state pension.

Should it not be pinned to min wage x 37..5 hours?

If that is the norm then yes.
We need to have recognised stability.

being on the pension myself without an extra private pension i have a vested interest in how much the pension is. never liked percentage rises anyway since the day they were brought in. the rich just got richer and the poorest next to nothing. problem with pensioners is that they are not all alike financially. at one end you have the saga brigade who go from one crise to another. those with a second home right down to the poverty row ones. each group are used by the media to suit their present take on matters.

The problem is the the Saga holiday pensioners - a lot of them senior local government types who are still retiring on a pension 2/3rds of their final salary - are much more visible than the ones who can't afford to be out and about much, let alone splashing the cash.

Till recently I had an office in the centre of Durham city, the sort of place where you can't move for well-off retirees and tourists. Think a lot of the younger people who are demanding that the state pension shouldn't go up more than average wage rises are under the impression that the 'saga brigade' are the norm.

I am glad to be wrong.
Truss is to the honour the triple lock so a 10.1% rise in April on the way takeing it above £200a week or roughly £815 every 4 weeks.
Still time for a u turn!?

I'm more than convinced that they were testing the water and the reaction put them off.
I don't mind sensible U turns.

Once upon a time there were three bears. What were you saying about fairy tales??

Sorry Jamie you got that one wrong. Brasil Brush says he wants his coconut back.

Only quoted because it was mentioned in the media, it probably was in Hunts sights but he darent scrap it as the Tories rely on the blue rinse brigade for votes.

Home Secretary sacked for breach of code. Crooks the whole lot.

Code breach issue now being dropped by msm. Must be true then.
Has Putin taken over?

This is not a cabinet it is s group of corrupt, self serving money grabbing inept bastards.

Years ago Jack Jones lead a pensioners movement. What happen to it?

Ministerial code breach now back on. Deserves to be sacked. Prison sentence?
30 minutes is a long time in politics.

Its an utter shambles.

Looks like she'll be gone tomorrow. Just been listening to a Tory MP on radio 4 who is apoplectic with rage over tonight's carry on and is sure the 1922 Committee will bring the Truss era to a very swift end.

Aye I thought it would be a step too far, which is why I said they were testing the water.
We got a laugh yesterday though with that silly arse Blackford's huge gaff at PMQ's.

Please explain. Missed that one as all of the Tory party's huge gaffs yesterday have been hogging the headlines. Or should I just have a look at the (Daily) Mail online?

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The BBC put the clip up yesterday.

Blackford asked Truss if she was going to honour the triple lock and she said she was and he went into a rant read from a pre arranged assumption that the answer was going to be no.
You might be able to look it up. It was hilarious.

It's either going to be a General Election or Boris back as PM.
This current Tory "Team" is so divided it has to be disbanded.
I don't think a Labour Government is the answer but something has to change but It must be change for the better.
Starmer et al with a huge majority doesn't necessarily mean change for the better and getting Boris back doesn't mean that either.

think it goes much deeper with younger people than just the saga brigade. the vast amounts will have either parents or grandparents on a pension. many of these will have just basic pension plus a very small one from their work. they might not go on a cruise but many go a couple of times a year to places like st.annes or bispham on mid week pensioners holidays. living in a very working class ex mill town there are cheap or free meals for pensioners at least 4 days a week on a free bus route if they wish to take advantage. do know my clothes bill now is close to zero and the food bill is less than it would have been 20 years ago. no, youngsters on a poor wage have a point where able bodied pensioners are concerned.

if you are not part of the woke brigade you think things are bad now. with starmer in charge will be a big plus for immegration, re join the eu and out greening the greens. for the rest of us be scared, be very scared of what is below starmer.

No apologies for bringing Brexit up again, have a listen to this from the Financial Times,
https://youtu.be/wO2lWmgEK1Y.

Issue is we do need more immigration (even dizzy Liz realises this, hence the clash with Suellla). We have an aging population and 5% of jobs unfilled, unless we are going to incentivize people to have more children, immigration is the only way to keep our economy going.

No thanks Jamie. I'll renew my interest in the Brexit saga when it becomes a realistic proposition and not until. I can't see the point of giving time and energy to a subject just to satisfy remoaners. It is done, when there is a realistic chance of it being undone, I'll join in. Can't be fairer than that.

If you take time to watch the video it’s not about remoaners Derwent.

One of the most sensible post I have read, people get confused about economic migration and immigration, Farage has a lot to answer for. The government are now talking about relaxing the visa rules for agriculture workers dues to an acute shortage as U.K. workers are not prepared to dirty their hands anymore.

Drop the school leaving age to 14. That will sort it.

Jamie, I never said it was about remoaners. I said I'm not getting involved in Brexit discussion to satisfy remoaners. In other words I'm not encouraging them.
On top of that, the article you want me to watch is from the media, wasn't it the media who prompted you to present fake news about the triple lock.
As me grandad used to say, the only thing true in a newspaper is the date but check it all the same.

This has all speeded up the breakup of the UK.

My mother is a pensioner. She thinks the amount she receives is pretty fair. You have to remember the vast majority of pensioners have either paid their mortgage off or are receiving full housing benefit for the property they live in.
Also, quite a lot are receiving attendance allowance, mobility, care allowance etc… on top of their basic pension.
I reckon I could easily manage on £185 a week if I had no outgoings apart from general bills.

£185 a week…. are you Jeremy Hunt?

But retirement should not be about just existing. After 40 years of work you deserve some fun.

Sounds like some severe Puritanical sect’s recipe for retirement, spend your time lashing your back every time you even think of spending money and preferably die a week after retiring.

Back to the original topic, but is a coup taking place by Conservative MP’s within the Party and pissing off the membership?

The parliamentary party should choose the leader. Allowing the rank and file to choose the leader is a recipe for disaster.
After all that system elevated Jeremy Corbyn.
Say no more.

Gone with a nice pension I bet?

He won't be wondering where his next meal is coming from, that's for sure.

Can’t she survive on £185 a week?