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 Post subject: Re: Harrogate v Pools.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 4:54 pm 
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ToTheHartlepool2-0 wrote:
OK not pissing down but sunny winndying down Snowy. Does anybody remember a truly awful Euro entry (1977) Lynsey De Paul and Mike Moran singing ROCK BOTTOM. Sums up my thoughts except for my sensing that Jamie Sterry is not too happy and will soon want away. Hope I'm wrong but not the same player.


Well Sterry hardly ever plays these days and when he does he always seem to be carrying an injury. Would we be any worse if he left?


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 Post subject: Re: Harrogate v Pools.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:07 pm 
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Being bottom of a league is bad enough but when its league 2 and your destiny is the National league this really is panic time.
I just cant see it getting any better with prospective managers being put off and unless the cavalry of the January window materialises we have had it.
Sleep well everyone.

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 Post subject: Re: Harrogate v Pools.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:13 pm 
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Formation was contorted to cover for shit and shite at center half (Murray and Lacey)


2 new defenders and those 2 chasing or we are down


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 Post subject: Re: Harrogate v Pools.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:21 pm 
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Well one chink of good news for me anyway, was that Gav The Hooligan got the second against SCFC.


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 Post subject: Re: Harrogate v Pools.
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I hoped after the Doncaster win we might pick up a little bit but it's straight back to square one. Where was the energy, fight and battle that won us that game, poor all over the pitch yet again today. Worst Harrogate side I've seen since we started playing against them and we literally just gifted them 2 goals. The ineptitude of our defenders is unbelievable. 2 centrel defenders who can't win a header or even read the game, they aren't kids, they are experienced pros. A keeper who comes out flapping for crosses he should be gathering. Full backs in sterry and Ferguson who we know are better than they are showing. All Ferguson did today was hoof it to nobody and sterry just kept giving the ball away. Worst 2 players on the pitch though had to be Shelton who is far to slow for this level and Paterson, dear me that lad is clearly clearly not league standard. Only players who can get a bit of credit today we're umerah for his goal and Cooke was half decent when he came on.
It's unbelievable the mess Hartley has made in such a short space of time, have we ever assembled such a shit squad with no leaders or character. Non of them shout or talk to eachother, literally zero communication. It's such a depressing situation to be stuck with this group of players for the coming months, some hard games coming up and we could be adrift by Christmas. A few ratings....
Killip 4
Sterry 3
Ferguson 3
Murray 3
Lacey 3
Paterson 2
Crawford 3
Shelton 2
Sylla 4
Robinson 5
Umerah 6

Cooke 6
Grey 5
McDonald 4

Shit show!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Harrogate v Pools.
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ToTheHartlepool2-0 wrote:
OK not pissing down but sunny winndying down Snowy. Does anybody remember a truly awful Euro entry (1977) Lynsey De Paul and Mike Moran singing ROCK BOTTOM. Sums up my thoughts except for my sensing that Jamie Sterry is not too happy and will soon want away. Hope I'm wrong but not the same player.

I only mentioned the weather because I was putting roofing sheets on this morning….never mentioned the feckin wind…..sheets cancelled ….ah well :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Harrogate v Pools.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:42 pm 
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derwent wrote:

In the first half Ferguson played left side centre back in a back three. He went to left back after half time in a four four two. That was how they lined up, mentioned more than once by Eddie Kyle.


Don't really care what Eddie said Mr. D. I was in the standing area of their Wetherby Road Terrace at right angles to the Pools end and Ferguson was right in front of me - he spent as much time close to the left touchline as he ever does.

The full 90 minutes will be on iPlayer later this evening. Sit through the 1st half and you'll be able to see for yourself. Rubbish way to spend even part of an evening, but that's another story!


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I thought he was playing left side of a back 3 and Paterson was wing back. Think Ferguson just kept getting dragged out wide.


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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
ToTheHartlepool2-0 wrote:
OK not pissing down but sunny winndying down Snowy. Does anybody remember a truly awful Euro entry (1977) Lynsey De Paul and Mike Moran singing ROCK BOTTOM. Sums up my thoughts except for my sensing that Jamie Sterry is not too happy and will soon want away. Hope I'm wrong but not the same player.


Well Sterry hardly ever plays these days and when he does he always seem to be carrying an injury. Would we be any worse if he left?


Yes, a lot worse. Sterry was very tentative first half but was getting back to something like his old self in the second 45. He missed a few chances to go on the overlap late on but that will have had something to do with playing the full 90 minutes after missing the last 8 games.


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 Post subject: Re: Harrogate v Pools.
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Well Sterry hardly ever plays these days and when he does he always seem to be carrying an injury. Would we be any worse if he left?


Yes, a lot worse. Sterry was very tentative first half but was getting back to something like his old self in the second 45. He missed a few chances to go on the overlap late on but that will have had something to do with playing the full 90 minutes after missing the last 8 games.[/quote]
as for his injuries he,s just going through one of those seasons most players get in their careers. one injury after another. in the first half it really showed the lack of time on the pitch this season and its the first half where the damage was done. was he brought back a week too early i wonder where he could have been eased in on tuesday night and came back for the swindon game.


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I thought he was playing left side of a back 3 and Paterson was wing back. Think Ferguson just kept getting dragged out wide.


You're dead right Richy and Fergy had no idea where he was supposed to be. Being played out of position with no experience of the role he was supposed to be playing he reverted to his natural instincts, which is probably why Curle started the second half with 442, having abandoned the idea that Fergy could possibly handle his first half role. Maybe Fergy told KC at half time that he was a duck out of water, which he was.
As for Patterson words fail me.
KC said after the match that some of his squad were playing themselves out of contention and Patterson is one of them along with Hastie, Crawford and Shelton.

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 Post subject: Re: Harrogate v Pools.
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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
ToTheHartlepool2-0 wrote:
OK not pissing down but sunny winndying down Snowy. Does anybody remember a truly awful Euro entry (1977) Lynsey De Paul and Mike Moran singing ROCK BOTTOM. Sums up my thoughts except for my sensing that Jamie Sterry is not too happy and will soon want away. Hope I'm wrong but not the same player.


Well Sterry hardly ever plays these days and when he does he always seem to be carrying an injury. Would we be any worse if he left?


Jamie Sterry was our best player yesterday but was still a far cry from what we saw in the NL promotion season and start of the last. He is far better than this current incumbent but for whatever reason is yet to depart. Perhaps injury troubles, or isn’t as arsed about being part of an embarrassing excuse for a football team as the others who jumped ship at the first opportunity.


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 Post subject: Re: Harrogate v Pools.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2022 3:43 pm 
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derwent wrote:
RichyHpool wrote:
I thought he was playing left side of a back 3 and Paterson was wing back. Think Ferguson just kept getting dragged out wide.


You're dead right Richy and Fergy had no idea where he was supposed to be. Being played out of position with no experience of the role he was supposed to be playing he reverted to his natural instincts, which is probably why Curle started the second half with 442, having abandoned the idea that Fergy could possibly handle his first half role. Maybe Fergy told KC at half time that he was a duck out of water, which he was.
As for Patterson words fail me.
KC said after the match that some of his squad were playing themselves out of contention and Patterson is one of them along with Hastie, Crawford and Shelton.


Who is going to replace them, are there any better players available in the squad ?


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 Post subject: Re: Harrogate v Pools.
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Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
RichyHpool wrote:
I thought he was playing left side of a back 3 and Paterson was wing back. Think Ferguson just kept getting dragged out wide.


You're dead right Richy and Fergy had no idea where he was supposed to be. Being played out of position with no experience of the role he was supposed to be playing he reverted to his natural instincts, which is probably why Curle started the second half with 442, having abandoned the idea that Fergy could possibly handle his first half role. Maybe Fergy told KC at half time that he was a duck out of water, which he was.
As for Patterson words fail me.
KC said after the match that some of his squad were playing themselves out of contention and Patterson is one of them along with Hastie, Crawford and Shelton.


Who is going to replace them, are there any better players available in the squad ?


You'll have to ask KC that Jamie, I would just be guessing/speculating. There are enough people doing that without me starting. We are continuously told that there are good footballers in the squad, great bunch of lads and good enough to get us out of this mess. When are they going to pull the magic switch is the question I would ask cos I can't see any evidence that one exists.

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 Post subject: Re: Harrogate v Pools.
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derwent wrote:

You'll have to ask KC that Jamie, I would just be guessing/speculating. There are enough people doing that without me starting. We are continuously told that there are good footballers in the squad, great bunch of lads and good enough to get us out of this mess. When are they going to pull the magic switch is the question I would ask cos I can't see any evidence that one exists.

Dunno about a good bunch of lads, might we be better off with a pack nasty b’stards….?

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Snowy wrote:
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You'll have to ask KC that Jamie, I would just be guessing/speculating. There are enough people doing that without me starting. We are continuously told that there are good footballers in the squad, great bunch of lads and good enough to get us out of this mess. When are they going to pull the magic switch is the question I would ask cos I can't see any evidence that one exists.

Dunno about a good bunch of lads, might we be better off with a pack nasty b’stards….?


Probably. I'll take anything that produces the ending we all want/

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Snowy wrote:
derwent wrote:

You'll have to ask KC that Jamie, I would just be guessing/speculating. There are enough people doing that without me starting. We are continuously told that there are good footballers in the squad, great bunch of lads and good enough to get us out of this mess. When are they going to pull the magic switch is the question I would ask cos I can't see any evidence that one exists.

Dunno about a good bunch of lads, might we be better off with a pack nasty b’stards….?



Hit the nail on the head!

KC said in his post match interview, "We are nice to play against"


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Seriously, Ratboy has more bite and he’s always up for a scrap, can you play a Black Fell Terrier( Patterdale on Strroids) in midfield…?

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Grayhoundend wrote:
Snowy wrote:
derwent wrote:

You'll have to ask KC that Jamie, I would just be guessing/speculating. There are enough people doing that without me starting. We are continuously told that there are good footballers in the squad, great bunch of lads and good enough to get us out of this mess. When are they going to pull the magic switch is the question I would ask cos I can't see any evidence that one exists.

Dunno about a good bunch of lads, might we be better off with a pack nasty b’stards….?



Hit the nail on the head!

KC said in his post match interview, "We are nice to play against"


Yes he did.

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Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
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I thought he was playing left side of a back 3 and Paterson was wing back. Think Ferguson just kept getting dragged out wide.


You're dead right Richy and Fergy had no idea where he was supposed to be. Being played out of position with no experience of the role he was supposed to be playing he reverted to his natural instincts, which is probably why Curle started the second half with 442, having abandoned the idea that Fergy could possibly handle his first half role. Maybe Fergy told KC at half time that he was a duck out of water, which he was.
As for Patterson words fail me.
KC said after the match that some of his squad were playing themselves out of contention and Patterson is one of them along with Hastie, Crawford and Shelton.


Who is going to replace them, are there any better players available in the squad ?


There are some better players in the squad, but they were not available on Saturday. Menayese and Niang would certainly have improved the defence and Featherstone who is not likely to be back for a while, strengthens our midfield. With those three in the side we might be less easy to score against. I cant prove it but my suspicion is that when Menayese has played we haven't been hammered.


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Grayhoundend wrote:
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Dunno about a good bunch of lads, might we be better off with a pack nasty b’stards….?



Hit the nail on the head!

KC said in his post match interview, "We are nice to play against"

thought that was something hartley promised pre season, an all action side in the faces of the opposition. thing is you cannot go around biting players legs anymore, but you can get more streetwise by the shirt pull, the odd dig and making a complete meal out of any foul the opposition make. it might be annoying but the majority of others do it and get away with it when they play pools. we need a steve evans type in charge here whose teams get away with murder but usually succeed.


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accrington fan wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
Snowy wrote:
derwent wrote:


Dunno about a good bunch of lads, might we be better off with a pack nasty b’stards….?



Hit the nail on the head!

KC said in his post match interview, "We are nice to play against"

thought that was something hartley promised pre season, an all action side in the faces of the opposition. thing is you cannot go around biting players legs anymore, but you can get more streetwise by the shirt pull, the odd dig and making a complete meal out of any foul the opposition make. it might be annoying but the majority of others do it and get away with it when they play pools. we need a steve evans type in charge here whose teams get away with murder but usually succeed.


After watching the game on saturday, A simple differance regarding attitude.


2nd Goal: High ball in (player totally unmarked, Killip comes off his line Flaps and misses the ball player heads home.

Later in the game we play a ball towards the box Joe Gray chases it down with the keeper, Keeper gets there first , Collects the ball.
As he does he extends his elbow into grays face nearly taking his head off.

Exactly what you would expect your keeperto do.

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