derwent..."Mr Poolie 1, I have removed your last post."


..."ya power freak..goodbye bunkerites"

I'm getting good at it.

Doesn’t make sense that. He knew the ground was council owned before he bought it so if he was hoping to buy it off the Council, it might just cause a ruck with voters. Councillors try to avoid angry voters.

derwent..."I'm getting good at it."


..true...but letting this lot pass you by ?..still room for improvement imho..


"He was hanging out of Sing"
"Fuck off back under the bridge"
"Were u busy havin a shit or even sex or most probably a Tom Hank"

Yes he knew it was council owned but so did IOR yet they wanted the ground under their ownership too.
Butter the council up by saving an asset to the town hoping they will let you buy the ground on the cheap to use as collateral for loans for development purposes.

Fat chance of that happening, if IOR in times of success were kicked into orbit about buying, Raj would have no chance with the present limping column.
To be honest, it’s an awkward site in the town centre but leading nowhere of consequence. What use it could be put to is debatable and unpopular.

Can't have retail value with the high street struggling. Hotels in Hartlepool aren't doing well or have failed. This leaves housing developers who would only have each other as competition to buy the land.

I’ve always thought the location of the Vic was actually ideal for a football ground. Near enough to the Town Centre, railway station etc, pubs etc but far enough away from shoppers etc so a perfect match.
To be honest Mr I, that location is the least desirable location for housing I could imagine apart from Longscar rocks at low tide….plus the ground is built on a quarry, according to my maps.

It wouldnt stop em

[quote="Snowy"][
I’ve always thought the location of the Vic was actually ideal for a football ground. Near enough to the Town Centre, railway station etc, pubs etc but far enough away from shoppers etc so a perfect match.

its a good job it is as if it was stuck out on a limb like many of these out of town new grounds are you could half the numbers coming on a bad day or when the club is struggling. as for the club not owning the ground, well pools are part of possibly a majority of other clubs including some in the premier league. something always dug up for lack of investment or being owned by an empty vessel that makes the most noise. at least we are safer with the council owning the place.

for me the whole thing was an experiment that never came off at a club that really cannot afford to make this type of experiment. this is where raj should take the blame for. its not as if this scottish experiment has been tried in the past with some success. my fear is that walter galbraith did this with accrington and bradford park avenue giving the former their highest ever league position at the time and promotion for the latter. problem was a few years later both clubs ended up not being around in any form for a few seasons.

Must be a good manager in the
Northern Ireland league.
Recommended by Bevvo.

The buck inevitably stops at the top but decisions at the top are usually influenced from information passed up from below. Raj has appointed an array of new people in newly created positions who are paid to do just that. The question that needs answering is are they doing their job properly or is Raj ignoring their advice and doing his own thing anyway. The fact that he has thrown money at these positions would suggest it's not the latter.
You don't have a dog and bark yourself as the saying goes.
Maybe, because we seem overloaded with these positions and they're all giving different advice or conflicting information, Raj is confused.
The structure is overloaded in my opinion. It may have been done for the right reasons but it doesn't seem to be producing the right results.

derwent..."The structure is overloaded in my opinion|"

..raj....+3....overloaded??

https://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/club/the-board/

Has Hobin gone then??

derwent..."Has Hobin gone then??|"

..hobin is not on the board..he is chief operating officer..the person who is advising raj is obviously bevo...whatever consultancy fees he is being paid its too much..

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/adrianbevington

Hobin is still part of the structure though.
If you look on the official site under The Board" there are four names as you say but if you look under "who's Who" and then click "The Board" there are seven of them.
Who's who is generally the best way to determine the structure of the club because it should list the whole structure and not just part of it. Information starts at the very bottom of the structure and filters up through the ranks. It's not unusual for some of the best information to come from below the board, where the eyes and ears are sometimes sharper.

Raj being confused, well he is if he is like me on many topics that come up on here. you seem to half agree with everybody or the complete opposite and never get the right way to go. the problem with all these new positions created is that pools are not the only ones with them with some clubs having more than us whether they can afford it or not.

derwent..."Hobin is still part of the structure though"

...and dunno why no mention of trotter our computer kid head of recruitment in that "whos who" list..but anyways for me suspect borer bevo will have been the main man for advising raj on footballing matters and the key appointments at the club...read his linkedin page that's his business thats what he does...lets have a look at some...

graeme lee...ex bevo colleague under 23 manager at borer
chris trotter...ex bevo colleague data analysis something at borer
rosie stoker...ex bevo colleague head of partnerships at borer

...suspect he was also involved in recruiting hobin ?.....and of course thanks to raj it is confirmed bevo was central to hartleys appointment...as he says think raj needs to take stock now...not sure structure as such is the problem...

https://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/club/whos-who/

Yes the whole info on the club site is a bit bedraggled but Bevo ( as you call him) won't be advising only on what he knows, he will also be advising the board on the information he receives from below him within the structure. If he doesn't do that he loses the advantage of being able to blame someone else to save his neck if things go tits up.
I do think, however, that the whole structure could do with a coat of looking at. Maybe nothing will need altering but that exercise needs carrying out on a regular basis as part of the management tool box. I would be very surprised if nothing was found that can be improved upon.
You and me in this discussion have highlighted that the official site is less than beautiful, but I think everybody already knows that, so there's a start.

derwent ..."Bevo ( as you call him)"

...as i call him ? ...https://twitter.com/abevington11

I wouldn’t take any notice of who is who on the OS, it has never been up to date of recent.

Aye it's very poor.

Anutha outstanding attendance today.
Loyalty being totally abused by the Main Man.
Results count more than cheap talk.
Opinions welcome '

Over 5500 for a team that's won 1 in 21. Imagine with a bit of ambition to go with it could do.

Theres a few on here get offended when you mention the bit of AMBITION word. .
Go on like we asking for the world when we be happy with a top 7 finish.
Ive downgraded me ambitions now to 22nd for this n next season.
UTP.

well get more away fans in for a start would help when we play teams with a large away following. then the question is where would the club need to be to get another 2,000 in regularly. top 3 in this division or doing well in div.1. if the vic was ever re developed i cannot see regular 5 figure attendances and the majority of these extra fans will also walk away as quickly as they came once there is a run of poor games and defeats.

Ambition is great if you can get the fickle fans to share your ambition. Trouble is they disappear when the winning stops.
Remember going to see Pools v Barnsley in the League Cup 1970, Winners to play Double winners Arsenal….. 11,000 in for the August evening match but come Saturday back to reality, usually sub 2,000.
However, if the Vic was ever developed the the only option is making the Rink End a lot bigger and sticking the away supporters in the the Town End

Yep stick em in the town end with a retractable roof, For when we play Carlisle.

you,d have to find a certain number of seats for them anyway unless they put seats in the town end.

Thing is now the winning has stopped, not many clubs would get 4500 to 5000 gates at the foot of league 2. I reckon if the ground was redeveloped and a decent team we could pull in 6000 to 7000 in league 2 regularly. The away end for starters is keeping our crowds down.

Demolish the ground, baths, indoor bowling centre, build a new stadium with a training complex that could be used by others as well. Whilst the rebuilding is going on ground share with the Boro.
Oops just woke up only a dream.

think that number is quite realistic and could be achieved. even in the really bad days of non lea gue gates rarely fell under 3,000 with few away fans. a few clubs at our present level and a couple in div.1 would love to have a starting number of regulars like that. any future ground improvements should be based on a 10,000 capacity vic unlike some pie in the sky ones like stockport expecting to double their crowds from the present numbers.

The away end definitely needs to be bigger. Depending on form, I think Carlisle, Doncaster, Bradford, Stockport, Grimsby and Mansfield would all bring over 1500 easily. The rest of the ground is ok for me and is in pretty good nick. I’ve got no idea how much a new stand would cost though or how long it would take to put in. Does anyone have a rough guess?

got to remember that once its built it will be there when we all go to the big vic in the sky. Some clubs actually build new stands behind there present one so i time scale is unimportant. do not know if loans and grants can still be got for ground improvements though. be interested to see an artists impression of the new rink end built in place of the present structure or built behind it.

Dream?…more like a fecking nightmare!

The borers ground was built by the Teesside Development Corporation and we got the turnstile blocks in Clarence Road built as a sop.
All these stadiums getting built at lower levels are never built by the clubs but usually by the local Council….. but they want them as ‘Community Stadium’….I don’t know why but I hate that word.

The problem is as far as I know none of the previous or current councillors are big Pools fans, to them Pools are a lost cause and all their bothered about is collecting the rent.
Mandleson was the appointed president of Pools but I don’t recall him ever attending one game.

Peter attended quite a few games that I remember, mainly because he used to stand on the Millhouse terracing near us with a long coat and blue and white scarf on, thinking back he would usually be on his own and certainly didn't give it the "look at me" approach.

I stand corrected Ian Wright was a regular in the Mill House Stand.

Has anyone seen our current MP at a Pools match.
Only joking

I recall a friendly at Pools where Shearer was playing and we were in the Mill House stand….a prominent Councillor at the time was in the row in front of us and when the inevitable Newcastle goal went in he he went delirious along with his chums.
I can only assume he was deficient in the common sense gene.
Wrighty was the only one who was a true supporter along with his dad.

Many people haven't got much interest in sport of any kind, let alone football. There's really no reason for politicians to feign an interest if it isn't there.

If every voter in Hartlepool was passionate about 'the town's club' it might be a different matter - and Pools would need a ground the size of Old Trafford.

If every voter in Hartlepool was passionate about even voting that might help, turnouts at elections local and by elections are very low with the usual comments it doesn’t matter who you vote for nothing will change, true ?

It doesn’t matter how big the turnout is or the Party in power, if they aren’t interested Pools, it’ll make no difference whatsoever.
Politicians of all shades in Hartlepool have hardly been enthusiastic about Pools down the years, I see no prospect of change in the future.

what other event can get 4,000 plus into the town for a few hours on a matchday. how much extra do businesses make on a saturday that they never get when pools are away. it might be only 25 quid or so that i spend in the headland cafe, the florists and other shops around there but its money they would not have recieved if pools were not playing. then there are the pubs who,ll increase their revenue with both sets of fans. the council should be doing their upmost to help and promote pools and not ignore it. they should also remember that pools is a loss maker so that should interest them as they love throwing money around on loss makers with interest from very few. imagine the interest they,d show on something like lesbian muslim mothers drop in centres.

They'd probably argue that they do support the club by being responsible landlords - something that most Poolies seem happy with.

Most ideas around them 'doing more' seem to focus on the various ground development plans that have mooted at one time or another. It's been a common tendency on here whenever they come up that the council's intentions are trusted more than the owners - from IOR's time till now.