Jamie people can see the consequences of brexit but maybe not as you see it. Brexit divided the country virtually down the middle and some who were very good friends became enemies over it and still are. You are frustrated, I can see that and understand it but ranting on here isn't going to change anything. It won't heal the divide either but will keep it going. Personally I don't want to see this place turn into a battlefield over brexit and as for your suggestion not to read your posts, that is really a non starter simply because the debate becomes one sided and I believe you would be the first to condemn one sided debates. We can have the debate as and when membership comes up again but until then give it a rest mate........please.

Unfortunately there isn’t a way to change the system as long as people are better of on benefits wether they work part time or not work at all. The majority of people want to work but in a town like Hartlepool what jobs are available, the Council is the biggest employer. If you have no transport using public transport is not always an option as the route might not be anywhere near where you want to be or the there might not be buses available if you work shifts.

The DWP spent millions combining the Job Centres and the Benefits offices into single entities around 2004, I worked on a couple of the refurbs, everything was ripped out, new desks, lighting, carpets etc were installed and computer terminals and phones for people who were seeking work.I now believe both have now been removed no idea why so that doesn’t help potential job seekers. In my day decent jobs were never advertised in the job centre, in my job it was word of mouth and who you knew and still is.

That’s why the system wants changing. I know lads I went to school with who have never worked….one lives not far from me, yet has managed to buy a house and runs a smart disability funded car, yet his wife has only ever worked cleaning…. He has an encyclopaedic knowledge of the benefit system as I found out and a talent for demoralising staff within the benefit system with his ability to become the sort of person you want rid of all quickly as possible…….

Agreed but how, if you can’t prove you are actively looking for work stop the benefits, they already do that but some how the shirkers get round that and some how manage to survive. I agree staff do get demoralised and just give up on the certain few.
When they get to Pension age because they have ensured they have enough credits they get the the full pension and any benefits going as they have no savings. People work all their life have a little nest egg therefore can’t claim any benefits.

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Agreed but how, if you can’t prove you are actively looking for work stop the benefits, they already do that but some how the shirkers get round that and some how manage to survive. I agree staff do get demoralised and just give up on the certain few.

lot of this depends upon where you live and the unemployment figures there. somewhere with a low figure they are much striclter with claiments than places with high unemployment therefore the system is different. there is a limit you are expected to travel when looking for work so if you have no transport yourself you are really restricted especially in a rural area. another thing thats wrong is those blue badges and who can get them. we had a cashier who broke her leg so obviously walking was limited for her. she asked for a temporary blue badge because of this but was refused as it wasn,t a permanent disability. she did one over this stateing a few in the village with long term mystery illnesses where they have a badge but go for long dog walks on the beach plus in one case play sunday morning football. thing is she never got one and as far as she knew no one lost theirs either. seems once on the gravy train you are there for life, its just getting on it thats not that easy.

There has been a few issues over years when cars were returned with a higher an average mileage, on investigation it turned out they were being used as taxis.

well i would not want to use a car maintained by a main agent or kwik fit if i needed it for taxi work unless i was on a zero hours contract.

Our lass once bought a car and signed up for a service contract with a main dealers, I fainted when she told me. First time I took it in for it’s service, the three year old car had a list to blush for when they phoned her up, funnily enough all things not covered by the service agreement…… I went down and got the car and cancelled the service agreement.
Took it to where I normally go to be sure and none of the things listed needed doing.

its no guarentee they,d do it anyway. my lad served his apprenticship with peugeot and was told to check loads of things on a 505 model i had bought that they never bothered with if it had been main dealer serviced. luckily i knew the previous owner who did everything on his own or a normal garage for anything complicated. the car is still going strong in northern ireland so it makes you wonder.

Lots of these these contracts are aimed at the gullible with money, the people who just haven’t got the first idea of how a car works and are there to be milked dry.

some really ask for it and it surprises me how they ever got that money to spend in the first place. or is it they have not got the money but like to show the new car off to the neighbours.

Most insurance policies are sold on fear factor, what if etc. If you bought a new car GAP (Gauranteed Asset Protection) insurance was always pushed, if your car got written off or stolen within 2 years it would pay the difference between what the insurance settled and the value of a new car, it was a huge commission generator for the salesman.

With some of the mad irresponsible driving that goes on these days plus the drop in value of a new car as it leaves the showroom the fear factor becomes more realistic. I think GAP is one of the more sensible routes to take. I suppose it really comes down to whether a person can take the hit of writing off his shiny new car on the road home from the showroom.

I know of some one who arranged or so he said for his car to ‘disappear’ a few weeks short of the 2 years and got reimbursed on his GAP insurance.

tried that with a termanally rusty vauxhall cresta years ago by leaving the doors open and the keys in the ignition. still no takers but i suppose even thieves and joyriders are fussy.

Jamie, you are wasting your time re brexit….

“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled”

Mark Twain might have said that.

So people who voted Brexit are fools?

Promising to get Brexit done won the Tories the election, I bet there are loads of ‘fools’ who wish they had never voted for them now ? The Tories never ever do anything to benefit the man in the street which the mini budget has proved, rich get richer.
12 years in power 4 PMs, ok we have had Covid and the Ukraine conflict, plenty of time before them to sort things out.

I never fail to be astonished at the appalling arrogance of people who class people hadn’t voted like them as ‘fools’.
Oh to be so enlightened.
Are you employed by the EU, because your constant repetitive ‘lectures’ about about the same old boring topic suggests either you are or just clinically obsessed.
Yes we get the message, you don’t approve, but you are becoming a tedious bore on a topic most people have long ago moved on from.

Snowy I said this government was voted in on the back of a Brexit deal being done, true ?
I have had my say on Brexit already so I am not going to bore people with that anymore. did you not notice the word fool was in inverted commas.
The government nearly collapsed Pension funds with its mini budget the other day not only that it would include people who have money invested in other funds linked to the markets. It could have been another Northern Rock scenario leading to another crash like 2008. Others could now lose their property because of the increase in mortgage rates, I don’t regard that as being tedious, it’s a very serious issue more so the PM has been hiding away in Downing Street not prepared to face up to the media. On a side note I haven’t hide nor hair of Hartlepool’s MP, she appears to have disappeared of the face of the earth.
The only comments to come out were telling the financial people to stop betting against the pound, of course there not it’s easy money, probably made millions the last few days.
Now go and take rat boy for walk and calm down, you are a keyboard warrior first thing in the morning.

Snowy I said this government was voted in on the back of a Brexit deal being done, true ?
I have had my say on Brexit already so I am not going to bore people with that anymore. did you not notice the word fool was in inverted commas.
The government nearly collapsed Pension funds with its mini budget the other day not only that it would include people who have money invested in other funds linked to the markets. It could have been another Northern Rock scenario leading to another crash like 2008. Others could now lose their property because of the increase in mortgage rates, I don’t regard that as being tedious, it’s a very serious issue more so the PM has been hiding away in Downing Street not prepared to face up to the media. On a side note I haven’t hide nor hair of Hartlepool’s MP, she appears to have disappeared of the face of the earth.
The only comments to come out were telling the financial people to stop betting against the pound, of course there not it’s easy money, probably made millions the last few days.
Now go and take rat boy for walk and calm down, you are a keyboard warrior first thing in the morning.

and the alternative to all this is what. i have not got an answer and doubt anyone on here has and you can include all the opposition partys as well. its always easy to criticise from the outside even if you have no real facts to back you up.

If this Government was ‘voted in’ as you insist on the back of Brexit taking place, and the government had a massive majority, it means they wanted Brexit You’ve just shot yourself in the foot.

Regardless of inverted comma’s, calling someone a fool indicates you’re calling them ….a fool. The inverted comma’s are irrelevant.

Can we dispense with this nonsensical reference to ‘keyboard warriors’ when picked up on a point. I wouldn’t use it.

It may be first thing in the morning to you, it isn’t to me.

Ratboy’s had a shite all’s well with the world, I’m happy now.

Well its like the last days of Rome with pillage and debauchery the order of the day as this government gorges itself before the inevitable occurs.
Fill yer boots lads and the plebs are going to pay for it.

On a lighter note i expect Pools to make slow but steady progress over the next half a dozen games and eventually secure a lower mid table position at the end of the season.

Champers anyone?

No I haven’t shot myself in the foot, Brexit had already been voted on by the electorate in 2016, after versions of Theresa Mays draft withdrawal agreement were rejected by Parliament three times, she resigned and was succeeded by Boris Johnson. She had previously called a snap election which resulted in a hung Parliament.She had to give the DUP 1 billion pounds for Northern Ireland to support her in votes of confidence in Parliament.
The election result in 2019 which the Tories won they pledged to sort a deal out, it gave Johnson the mandate he sought from the electorate to formally implement the UK’s departure from the European Union on 31 January 2020 and repeal the European Communities Act 1972,

1997-2010 I know spread over 2 decades but the Tories werent in charge of the country, April 2013 was pretty good the 8th was a class day

Y’know, this just soooooooooo boring. It’s over.
If you applied this same dogged logic to Pools you’d still be going on and on and on about the result at Cardiff …which is also over.

Are you employed by the EU, because your constant repetitive ‘lectures’ about about the same old boring topic suggests either you are or just clinically obsessed.
Yes we get the message, you don’t approve, but you are becoming a tedious bore on a topic most people have long ago moved on from.[/quote]

Snowy I said this government was voted in on the back of a Brexit deal being done, true ?
I have had my say on Brexit already so I am not going to bore people with that anymore. did you not notice the word fool was in inverted commas.
Now go and take rat boy for walk and calm down, you are a keyboard warrior first thing in the morning.[/quote]

Don’t let me start on that,dodgy ref. stayed in the same hotel as the Sheff. Wed. team.

If this Government was ‘voted in’ as you insist on the back of Brexit taking place, and the government had a massive majority, it means they wanted Brexit You’ve just shot yourself in the foot.

Regardless of inverted comma’s, calling someone a fool indicates you’re calling them ….a fool. The inverted comma’s are irrelevant.

Can we dispense with this nonsensical reference to ‘keyboard warriors’ when picked up on a point. I wouldn’t use it.

It may be first thing in the morning to you, it isn’t to me.

Ratboy’s had a shite all’s well with the world, I’m happy now.[/quote]

No I haven’t shot myself in the foot, Brexit had already been voted on by the electorate in 2016, after versions of Theresa Mays draft withdrawal agreement were rejected by Parliament three times, she resigned and was succeeded by Boris Johnson. She had previously called a snap election which resulted in a hung Parliament.She had to give the DUP 1 billion pounds for Northern Ireland to support her in votes of confidence in Parliament.
The election result in 2019 which the Tories won they pledged to sort a deal out, it gave Johnson the mandate he sought from the electorate to formally implement the UK’s departure from the European Union on 31 January 2020 and repeal the European Communities Act 1972,[/quote]

Y’know, this just soooooooooo boring. It’s over.
If you applied this same dogged logic to Pools you’d still be going on and on and on about the result at Cardiff …which is also over.[/quote][/quote]

Don’t get me started on that, dodgy ref. stayed in the same hotel as Sheffield Wed squad.

Fair play to the Italians and the Greeks for filling their boots at the expense of other EU countries.It's not our problem now.

What is the connection?

That's not very civil is it?

The mark of a good prime minister is not to be a good poodle to Bush and start the Iraq War or the PFI scandal dropping the NHS into years of debt. He was a smoothie and people fell for it, never a true Labour politician……his political offsprings are on the Labour benches now.
Not forgetting his government ended up in the financial clarts too.
Nowt new there then.

thats when a lot of the bullshit started with him and has continued to this day at a faster rate. oh i forgot he did bting in the national maximum wage.

Absolutely right Mr Accy. Blair the bullshitter is a perfectly good description of the man. Our good friend Mr Horden used to refer to him as Bliar. To present him as the champion of the big calls is nothing short of incredulous.
Can that accolade be actually attributed to any politician????
I suppose Mr Skinner would come close but even the mighty Dennis would blush.

I agree Mr. Brush

There is no doubt that the current Conservative administration is trying like hell behind the scenes to undo the negatives of Brexit. But the Daily Mail is onto their plans so we can all sleep safe in our beds under our Union Jack duvets.

Can i predict the next post on this thread...................

Absolute bullshit?

Mr Brush would frown on that description so I shall weigh in with "your prediction is absolute bullshit"
There you are your bait has been nibbled. It's a joy to oblige.
As for the serious part of your post, I can't bring myself to give credibility to someone who claims that Tony Blair got all the big calls right. I would love to see you tell the loved ones, of lads who lost their lives looking for Tony's WMD's, that he got all the big calls right.

The Tories won the last election by saying they would get brexit down but we are apparently no further forward, I am still waiting to see what the benefits are.

The Tories won the last election because there was no credible alternative. The big question now is whether that position has changed or not. Does anyone know where Starmer et al stand with EU membership.

Starmer dare not say rejoining the EU is part of the Labour manifesto as I believe the biggest leave vote was in the north normally a labour stronghold. Then again the Tories will have to prove before the next election what currently the benefits are.

If the Scots get independence you can move up there Jamie and help Jimmy Crankie with her dream of rejoining the EU.
I don't think Brexit will have any influence at the next election, simply because, unlike you, most people have moved on.

Brexit won’t be mentioned in any parties manifesto, I doubt very much and hope Scotland don’t vote for independence, the Scot Nats track record on health and education is p’ss poor.
Move to Scotland I will stick with Asia, I was born in Scotland still have family there but have no wish to move back up there.

Starmer never really commits to anything, he insinuates things but never commits.
However, he’s embraced a vigorous commitment to the lunatic green agenda which will get people on the streets when it’s consequences start to really bite.
Trouble is, there is no choice of Party’s they’re both socialist lite now…..and both party’s want to cuddle up to the Globalist EU.

The "lunatic green agenda"... Where's that bloke who believed the earth was flat when you need him?

the green agenda, something i have never met a supporter of it. if one party came out even saying they were going to put the brakes on with this issue it would be a bigger vote winner than brexit ever was. 52 per cent for 48 against. think the difference between pro and anti green is wider than that even with the media pushing the cause at every opportunity.

There’s a sensible green agenda and a lunatic agenda from the fanatics, sadly the more extreme element has the ear of government and big business.

The fanatics are the protesters staging publicity stunt after publicity stunt to draw attention to climate change. They alienate more people than they win over and they certainly don't have government or big business support.

They’re just the stormtroopers, the ‘useful idiots’ as Lenin called them, to keep it in the public eye..mostly middle class types who think they know better than us plebs.
The lunatics to me are those who want to stop oil and gas and have us all driving electric cars, when mineral wise it’s just not practical from a battery production stand…..
I was told at a social studies class at college in 1973 that the world had 10 years max by a lecturer if we didn’t change our ways