I don’t think it bothers Putin using them as cannon fodder, it might hopefully get a few more of his own people rebelling when the body bags start coming back to Russia that’s if they bother to send them back.

That’s what I’ve just said.

just wondering if any leader of any major parties pre john major would survive in todays world of world economic forums and world health organisations where so many are either in bed with them or followers.

Trouble nowadays is a lot of MP’s have never done a days work in their life.
Atlee was an officer in the trenches during the First World War, which shaped his view, can you imagine an ex army officer being made leader nowadays….?
School to Uni to Politics….. they live in a bubble, another world detached from reality.

Another bubble that has been created is the one where the bubble's occupants expect to be entitled to what they decide they want and expect to be given it.
What happened to the ethic portrayed by our forbears which said, if you want it, work for it????

because people have been told that they are entitled to things nowadays. some sections of the community more than others.

Yes very true although some say they have worked but never had.
Just like Sarah Ferguson who said she was a workaholic but spent the next 6 week either skiing of laying on a beach in the Caribbean.

Ah yes but there's work and err err ahem there's s

Will the trickle down economy work, on paper currently all the benefits are for the well off, the government are hoping they will spend their money encouraging the economy to grow.

The new lot have just taken the biggest gamble ever regarding OUR economy.
A gamble to make the brexit decision work.

This time I think you are trying to be serious. I can assure you that ALL the benefits are not just for the well off.
I'm not well off but I will benefit. I won't benefit as much as someone on a hundred grand a year but there again I don't pay the same amount of tax as that person. He/she on PAYE will pay more tax than my pensions provide in total. This little fact seems to have eluded the MSM. A guy on a million a year currently pays 45% of eight hundred and fifty thousand of it to the country. That's three hundred and eighty two thousand and five hundred pounds. Plus the tax and national insurance on the first hundred and fifty grand.
We can't afford to frighten these people off from working here when you realise how much they are contributing. We need to create more of these positions, not deride them through envy.
Envy is a disease.

You will be a few pounds better of but price rises will soon eat that up.
More than 7000 financial jobs have moved from the U.K. since brexit, a case of closing the gate after the horse has bolted.
I have never been envious of any one, I am not a materialistic person either worked hard for everything and not born with a silver spoon in my mouth like the majority of today’s politicians who inherited their wealth.

Listen to this radio presenter who voted Tory,,
https://youtu.be/obixPkWkwJM

Not really interested in any presenter's voting record. It's just one person's personal opinion and he's entitled to it. I form my own opinion and can't be arsed about forever dragging Brexit up. What's the point, it's done. I can't change it unless someone decides to give us another referendum which I doubt. My philosophy is if you take part in a vote then you are obliged to accept the result or there is no point. You can't keep whinging or prattling on about it. There are people who just can't accept the result and they have to come to terms with that in their own way. There's no point harping on about it. They are getting so upset with losing to the point of obsession. It's not healthy. We have to move on. We'll be blaming Brexit if ever the ice cream van goes missing if we're not careful. I voted leave and would vote leave again but If there was another referendum and remain won I like to think I am big enough to accept that and would throw any sign of sour grapes into the bin. It was very divisive and to continue or widen the divide will only be self destructive in my book. However if you can't or won't get over it then that's your prerogative. Just don't expect me to join you. Life's too short. It always seems to get brought up by the remoaners, as they are fondly referred to. It was music to my ears when a landlord said the next person to bring Brexit up is going and he won't be back. The cheer was deafening. It was funny when he had the TV on and the B word was spoken, at which point he switched it off with "and it applies to you an all".
Ah well.

The ‘presenter’ can vote for who he wants, his business, since when was it against the the law…?
You sound like one of Corbyns Stepford Wives….. except Corbyn didn’t like the EU either.

You can’t have an opinion of the presenter from LBC a well respected presenter if you didn’t listen to it, you need to get your head out of the right wing press and start to realise what damage brexit has done to the U.K.
I have asked the question loads of time what benefits have you had from brexit, ask my colleague who is going through the process of trying to open a business in Tenerife, he is having to have interviews, a mountain of paperwork and a medical. Ask any pensioner who used to spend the winter abroad for the good of their health and avoid the high cost of living in the U.K., 90 days max visa.they have to go home after that.
Where has the £350 million gone per week from the red bus, it was all bulls***.

Covid, Ukraine, Energy Crisis….. do make an effort to keep up events by staying in the country all year round.
Are You really Lord Tangleweed the Lib Dem Peer with the Villa in Tuscany….?

I don't have an opinion on the article of the LBC presenter. I'm not interested in his / her opinion or voting record either. I make me own mind up and I'll say it again, I don't see any point in discussing Brexit cos it's done, especially with a remoaner like you because it is pointless. It is also divisive but most of all, we will never agree on it. So if you want to remain obsessed with discussing it knock on another door. And don't accuse me with any sort of allegiance to any of the press, either left or right. I stopped reading newspapers years ago.

This time I think you are trying to be serious. I can assure you that ALL the benefits are not just for the well off.
I'm not well off but I will benefit. I won't benefit as much as someone on a hundred grand a year but there again I don't pay the same amount of tax as that person. He/she on PAYE will pay more tax than my pensions provide in total. This little fact seems to have eluded the MSM. A guy on a million a year currently pays 45% of eight hundred and fifty thousand of it to the country. That's three hundred and eighty two thousand and five hundred pounds. Plus the tax and national insurance on the first hundred and fifty grand.
We can't afford to frighten these people off from working here when you realise how much they are contributing. We need to create more of these positions, not deride them through envy.
Envy is a disease.[/quote]

You will be a few pounds better of but price rises will soon eat that up.
More than 7000 financial jobs have moved from the U.K. since brexit, a case of closing the gate after the horse has bolted.
I have never been envious of any one, I am not a materialistic person either worked hard for everything and not born with a silver spoon in my mouth like the majority of today’s politicians who inherited their wealth.

Listen to this radio presenter who voted Tory,,
https://youtu.be/obixPkWkwJM[/quote]

Not really interested in any presenter's voting record. It's just one person's personal opinion and he's entitled to it. I form my own opinion and can't be arsed about forever dragging Brexit up. What's the point, it's done. I can't change it unless someone decides to give us another referendum which I doubt. My philosophy is if you take part in a vote then you are obliged to accept the result or there is no point. You can't keep whinging or prattling on about it. There are people who just can't accept the result and they have to come to terms with that in their own way. There's no point harping on about it. They are getting so upset with losing to the point of obsession. It's not healthy. We have to move on. We'll be blaming Brexit if ever the ice cream van goes missing if we're not careful. I voted leave and would vote leave again but If there was another referendum and remain won I like to think I am big enough to accept that and would throw any sign of sour grapes into the bin. It was very divisive and to continue or widen the divide will only be self destructive in my book. However if you can't or won't get over it then that's your prerogative. Just don't expect me to join you. Life's too short. It always seems to get brought up by the remoaners, as they are fondly referred to. It was music to my ears when a landlord said the next person to bring Brexit up is going and he won't be back. The cheer was deafening. It was funny when he had the TV on and the B word was spoken, at which point he switched it off with "and it applies to you an all".
Ah well.[/quote]

You can’t have an opinion of the presenter from LBC a well respected presenter if you didn’t listen to it, you need to get your head out of the right wing press and start to realise what damage brexit has done to the U.K.
I have asked the question loads of time what benefits have you had from brexit, ask my colleague who is going through the process of trying to open a business in Tenerife, he is having to have interviews, a mountain of paperwork and a medical. Ask any pensioner who used to spend the winter abroad for the good of their health and avoid the high cost of living in the U.K., 90 days max visa.they have to go home after that.
Where has the £350 million gone per week from the red bus, it was all bulls***.[/quote]

I don't have an opinion on the article of the LBC presenter. I'm not interested in his / her opinion or voting record either. I make me own mind up and I'll say it again, I don't see any point in discussing Brexit cos it's done, especially with a remoaner like you because it is pointless. It is also divisive but most of all, we will never agree on it. So if you want to remain obsessed with discussing it knock on another door. And don't accuse me with any sort of allegiance to any of the press, either left or right. I stopped reading newspapers years ago.[/quote]

What influences your opinions then if you don’t read newspapers ? I base all my opinions on newspapers, otherwise I wouldn't know what to say. You're very lucky derwent if you can make constructive observations without using the MSM.

Bloody hell I didn’t know the Lib Dems still existed, whatever happened to Nick Clegg ?

You will be a few pounds better of but price rises will soon eat that up.
More than 7000 financial jobs have moved from the U.K. since brexit, a case of closing the gate after the horse has bolted.
I have never been envious of any one, I am not a materialistic person either worked hard for everything and not born with a silver spoon in my mouth like the majority of today’s politicians who inherited their wealth.

Listen to this radio presenter who voted Tory,,
https://youtu.be/obixPkWkwJM[/quote]

Not really interested in any presenter's voting record. It's just one person's personal opinion and he's entitled to it. I form my own opinion and can't be arsed about forever dragging Brexit up. What's the point, it's done. I can't change it unless someone decides to give us another referendum which I doubt. My philosophy is if you take part in a vote then you are obliged to accept the result or there is no point. You can't keep whinging or prattling on about it. There are people who just can't accept the result and they have to come to terms with that in their own way. There's no point harping on about it. They are getting so upset with losing to the point of obsession. It's not healthy. We have to move on. We'll be blaming Brexit if ever the ice cream van goes missing if we're not careful. I voted leave and would vote leave again but If there was another referendum and remain won I like to think I am big enough to accept that and would throw any sign of sour grapes into the bin. It was very divisive and to continue or widen the divide will only be self destructive in my book. However if you can't or won't get over it then that's your prerogative. Just don't expect me to join you. Life's too short. It always seems to get brought up by the remoaners, as they are fondly referred to. It was music to my ears when a landlord said the next person to bring Brexit up is going and he won't be back. The cheer was deafening. It was funny when he had the TV on and the B word was spoken, at which point he switched it off with "and it applies to you an all".
Ah well.[/quote]

You can’t have an opinion of the presenter from LBC a well respected presenter if you didn’t listen to it, you need to get your head out of the right wing press and start to realise what damage brexit has done to the U.K.
I have asked the question loads of time what benefits have you had from brexit, ask my colleague who is going through the process of trying to open a business in Tenerife, he is having to have interviews, a mountain of paperwork and a medical. Ask any pensioner who used to spend the winter abroad for the good of their health and avoid the high cost of living in the U.K., 90 days max visa.they have to go home after that.
Where has the £350 million gone per week from the red bus, it was all bulls***.[/quote]

I don't have an opinion on the article of the LBC presenter. I'm not interested in his / her opinion or voting record either. I make me own mind up and I'll say it again, I don't see any point in discussing Brexit cos it's done, especially with a remoaner like you because it is pointless. It is also divisive but most of all, we will never agree on it. So if you want to remain obsessed with discussing it knock on another door. And don't accuse me with any sort of allegiance to any of the press, either left or right. I stopped reading newspapers years ago.[/quote]

What influences your opinions then if you don’t read newspapers ? I base all my opinions on newspapers, otherwise I wouldn't know what to say. You're very lucky derwent if you can make constructive observations without using the MSM.[/quote]

Newspapers lost their usefulness when they stopped using them to wrap chips up.

Brexit aint done and people dont need to get over it as it can be reversed.
The economic gamble Truss and co are embarking on is an attempt to rectify the massive damage brexit has done.
And its the last throw of the dice to feather the nests of the rich and privileged before the next election.

It’s done.

Oh no it isnt..................................

This has potential….

According to the analysts we are heading into a massive recession in 2023, i some times think we talk ourselves into recession.
The only thing that might help if the Russian Ukraine deescalates, lots of problems which don’t see much of with the Russian citizens rebelling against conscription.
Of course if Putin decides to launch a nuclear strike no one need worry about a recession.

Covid, Ukraine, Energy Crisis….. do make an effort to keep up events by staying in the country all year round.
[plus all our friends in the EU will do their best to make sure brexit does not work. its not in the interest of the eu mob for it to succeed as others would quickly follow our lead and the whole thing would end up being dead in the water.

"Ok let's try again. If I have Trade Deals with 27 of my closest neighbours worth £670 billion, then I lose all those 27 deals and start up a deal worth £500 million over 15 years with a country10,000 miles away, what do I have?"

There's a gang of UK ex-pats always hanging around the comment sections of the right wing papers every day.It's as though Covid,Ukraine and the Energy Crisis have never been around.Keep out of the hot sun and lay off the cheap booze is always my advice to them.

Closest neighbours? We had a constant trade deficit with them so what’s good about that, plus every other country was on the cadge as we and Germany were doling out the cash.
If all your ‘closest neighbours’ have dumped you they were shit neighbours.

What a shame the Italians will need £200 billion of it eh.

Ok let's try again is the usual cry of remoaners. If you lot had your way we would have had multiple referendums until you got the result you wanted.
I know a remoaner who said on here that energy customers should reject DD's.
He then advised them to pay as you go at more cost.
He then described pay as you go as as being penalised.
Finally ( thank Christ) he admitted to paying for his energy by DD.
Any idea who I'm talking about Jamie.

its a bit like the labour type of stategy. you take the moral high ground to make you feel all warm inside you but it will cost you more to do it. possibly this is the attitude that the greenies rely on to keep us all warm in winter when the heating goes off even if you can afford it.

You can’t wait to dig me up can you, as I explained my personal circumstances dictate I have no choice but to pay by DD. I have my opinions you have yours let’s leave it there, you appear to be a very narrow minded person,

Not at all Jamie. What I've just said is fact. If you don't want to be quoted then think about what you are saying.
As for being narrow minded. A perfect example of that could be your obsession with Brexit. You hardly talk about anything else.
I'd love to leave it there but you keep insisting on bringing it up.
As I see it you have two chances if you are desperate to be part of the EU. The first is the remote chance of another referendum and the second is to emigrate to any one of the 27 members and apply for citizenship.

Love to see what happened if instead of Thatcher causing the Miners strike 84, a load eco warriors started picketing the mines wanting to close them. Carnage probably.

I'll go along with all of this.and i'll chuck in the last couple from the 70's..The nickname of 'Studs' at the time will stick in my memory forever.

Anything from Roxy music or KC and the Sunshine band and i was away..the lasses loved it.

Wasn't 84 about the only time you felt comfortable asking for a man's perm at the hairdressers Snowy? And your streaks.??Are they still your look?

1984, my secret revealed…… I recall you and your mullet when you were the entertainments officer at the Darlington Museum of Castration Social Club from the reports on the telly about the scandal. You got off lightly, only charged with having an offensive ‘hairstyle’ in a public place and scaring the horses.

No I am not desperate just very frustrated that we voted leave I think mostly based on cutting down on immigration driven by Farage. We need economic immigration, there are countless vacancies in the hospitality industry, care homes, NHS, farming etc.which used to be filled with migrants.

Malta would my choice, lived and worked there but like most places there has been a property boom and prices have risen substantially, out of my reach now.

Even if I could afford to live in a EU country the maximum permitted visa free time is 90 days.After Brexit, you can only stay in the EU, Iceland, Norway, and Switzerland without a visa for up to 90 days in a 180-day period. For any trip longer than 90 days, you have to apply for the appropriate visa and residence permit.

No I am not desperate just very frustrated that we voted leave I think mostly based on cutting down on immigration driven by Farage. We need economic migration, there are countless vacancies in the hospitality industry, care homes, NHS, farming etc.which used to be filled by migrants but now they need a visa/work permit etc to work in the U.K.

Malta would my choice, lived and worked there but like most places there has been a property boom and prices have risen substantially, out of my reach now even rental accommodation.

Even if I could afford to live in an EU country the maximum permitted visa free time is 90 days.After Brexit, you can only stay in the EU, Iceland, Norway, and Switzerland without a visa for up to 90 days in a 180-day period. For any trip longer than 90 days, you have to apply for the appropriate visa and residence permit.

If you think Farage is responsible for Brexit, you are sadly mistaken, he’s not that influential. Do you honestly think he hypnotised half the country?
As for migrants doing jobs……..
1. Get some of the idle buggers not working off their backsides and make them work
2. Cheap Labour by importing immigrants is a bonus for employers, they want to try paying decent wages to home grown labour instead.
Are you employed by the EU to go on and on and on and on about the subject?

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As for migrants doing jobs……..
1. Get some of the idle buggers not working off their backsides and make them work
2. Cheap Labour by importing immigrants is a bonus for employers, they want to try paying decent wages to home grown labour instead.

lets get the dinghy divers into work as well starting yesterday. wonder if they,d be keen on doing all the mundane shit jobs that are available. we have our lazy buggers to contend with and now a new breed of keeping these in hotels that we could not afford to stay in for a long period. is it just this country that has gone mad or the majority of the world also. as for the EU and living there, well it must be great with thousands a week trying to escape from the place plus others trying to do it legally.

I think it's fairly obvious you are frustrated, Jamie.
The Government are hinting at a fresh look at immigration. Letting in people we need, for instance in the NHS, seems to me to be a sensible notion.
The place that impressed me most in Europe is Switzerland but only to visit. I have no inkling to live there though. Further afield I enjoyed visiting Australia. This year I have enjoyed 57 nights away so far and every one of them was in England or Scotland. I wouldn't rule out holidaying abroad (never say never and all that) but there's so much to see at home. Plus the fact lying on beaches or next to pools turns me off after ten minutes so I usually end up gravitating to the nearest bar as you do !!!!

Jamie you haven't said anything in your latest post, do you want me to erase it??

Am I employed by the EU, no but I wish people would see the consequences of brexit and I am aware we can’t do nought about it for the time being but it doesn’t stop me ranting about it, don’t read my posts when you see my name if it annoys you that much Snowy, no offence meant.
Farage influenced people to vote for brexit he was not responsible for it, he was 100% correct in saying we didn’t have the services to cope with the influx of legal migrants. Whose fault was that, the government, over the years public services had been and still are being starved of funding and there was and still is a housing shortage which we will never catch up with.
One of Nick Cleggs manifesto pledges was to scrap tuition fees, he received loads of votes ended up in a coalition government then reneged. We need professional people doctors, nurses, dentists etc and some are not prepared to debt themselves up for years. These professions and similar should be tuition free, on qualification sign a contract to practice for 2 years or more if not pay the tuition fees back.

There was an influx of cheap labour on some construction sites which I was witness to, we had recognised site rates which they didn’t adhere too. But there are also jobs U.K. workers won’t do irrespective of the rates of pay, they don’t like getting their hands dirty or working outdoors but legal migrants were willing to do. They now all gone home and the produce is rotting in the fields meaning we have to import the produce at increased prices.

Yes, mistake thanks.

There is an unique situation as far as benefits are concerned, the majority of people on benefits actually work. Some keep their hours to a certain level so they are not disqualified from receiving benefits others have personal circumstances which dictate they can’t work full time.

There was a scheme a few years back where it was decided long term unemployed were required to work. They were provided with all the relevant PPE and picked up, it didn’t last very long, the PPE was sold and most never turned up again so the idea never got off the ground.

Some of the legal migrants were cheap labour the majority of illegal ones are as they are threatened of being reported to Border Control and face deportation.
Dinghy divers, bloody hell, you want people from war torn countries to work(sarcasm) all the do gooders would be up in arms about that.

Then the system needs changing.