Almost 5000 for a team that hasn't won for months, if a prospective buyer can't see potential in this club now they never will. Mind you some of our fans still see us as as some tiny club deserving to be where we are cos we're little old hartlepool.

How about moving on. Pointless pointing that out because no one’s coming to buy us out and we have a team to support….. bad as they are, for now.
If you can get a new owner in with money, I’ll be the first to clap, but come on, it ain’t even on the horizon.
We ain’t a tiny club or a big club, just a medium size club in this league if you compare us to others.

It's the fans that feel that it a acceptable for us to be shit that need to move on. Massive potential at this club.

What ‘fan’ feels it acceptable for us to be shit. That’s a ridiculous thing to say.
Massive potential…? …..depends what you class as ‘massive’. There’s potential.

https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/ ... am-3852931

A friend of mine supports Donny and he was still whining about them last night after a 4-1 win.
Owners out, manager out he said.
I said I've heard that sentiment before.

I don't know if anyone else noticed but Keith Curle kept referring to the stakeholders. Could it possibly be that Raj has co owners, like Suit Direct Ltd, or even a silent partner.
Not beyond the realms of possibility.

The crowd yesterday was nowhere near the number given. Not a chance.

Read that, interesting, so we’re just a low middle ranking team.

Just what i was thinking. Just going by morrisons car park alone its years since i have seen as many spare places. gaps all around me in the Cyril Knowles i think you can knock a thousand off that number. tickets sold rather than those who came in might be closer.

Massive potential, we had IOR at the helm for years and they bank rolled Pools every season, if your were a euro lottery winner and a Pools supporter you might consider buying Pools.
Pools are investment for some one who has money to burn, you are not going to be able to run a club profitably on crowds around 5000 fans.

cow.."The crowd yesterday was nowhere near the number given. Not a chance."

...absolutely right been thinking the same for some time.....4800 you are f/kin joking...reminds me of the "cracking company" gibson era when no one believed any official attendances....they were obviously given well on the low side then...appears the opposite now...something not right...

The crowd given on the BBC sport results service has the crowd as 4298.

Well said Jamie, we're on the same page on that one.

1966..."The crowd given on the BBC sport results service has the crowd as 4298."

..pretty sure i heard it being announced in the ground as 4800 and something .....

https://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/news ... nst-gills/

Still an excellent crowd for a club majorly underachieving on this seasons objective of promotion.
UTP.

I am not sure how relevant this list is. Only three club's top attendances are more recent than 1975. Bradford's was from 1911! What would be a more useful gauge would be average home attendance over the last decade or so, excluding the seasons disrupted by Covid.

When Ior were here we were winning games most weeks, doing pretty well in league 1 on crowds at times worse than this. We haven't won in 18 have a terrible team, yet crowds of nearly 5k are turning up. If we aren't making a profit on 5k imagine the troubles teams on 2000 to 2500 are going through.

billy.."If we aren't making a profit on 5k imagine the troubles teams on 2000 to 2500 are going through."

...that's right billy boy...just how do clubs like salford and harrogate manage with those crowds..errrrr.... just maybe maybe crowds don't tell the full story like...eh?

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/leag ... 1C5CCDE471

Gates are only part of the income when running a club.
Forest Green are based in Nailsworth with a population of 5,000…..wonder if the multi millionaire owner makes any difference to their success….?

It's all about how much the owners put in. Apart from IOR we've struggled to attract "money no object" owners. We were lucky that Raj came along to bail us out after the previous lot. We're hampered by previous debts run up during that period. It's all relative to how much the owners are prepared to put in and for how long. I've always said the lucky ones are ones who get a diehard supporter, like Gibson at Boro but he came in when they were a second tier side and that's what they still are. Yes they've had their moments but second best seems to be their level.
Newcastle command huge gates but achieved very little. It's only now do they look like going somewhere and, even then, it's not guaranteed.
The best we can aspire to is a decent league one club with the odd foray into the championship. That's why I don't hound Raj cos, without him, we would be playing Bury again or worse. The reality is our home has mainly been bottom tier EFL.
Of course I would like to see us higher consistently but I have to rely on someone else to fund it out of their pocket cos mine isn't adequate enough. I also expect Raj to make mistakes cos, like the rest of us, he's not perfect, but his timing a few years ago was impeccable.

A realistic and balanced post.

Club finances were once described as …”a topic of furious debate when times are bad and something no one ever questions when the good times arrive. But when it’s not your money, it takes on a Monopoly money character.”

Raj wouldn't sell to two Hollywood stars. Can't see who he'll ever sell to.

The announced crowd for the Crewe game seemed a fairly liberal estimate as well.

What a load of cobblers. This 'we know our place' attitude is pathetic. If only there were other clubs of similar means that we could look at a an example of what can be achieved? Oh yeah there are literally dozens of them. They're well run, ambitious and realise you have to spend to get people through the door. You have to sort your shit out with contacts so that your best players don't leave for nothing and you have to bring in players and managers suitable for the division you're in. We are failing miserably on things that are WITHIN our control.

what gets me these monopoly money characters are quite happy throwing money at forest green, harrogate, crawley and salford plus others i have missed. they,ll never get a fan base even the size of a currently struggling pools as their grounds aint big enough to get them all in. ok, pools are not a big name in football and never were, but compared to some we are with some history as well.

Not our control, their control. You seem so very angry about something you have no control over whatsoever. The only know our place attitude is in your imagination.
Try dwelling in the awake world where we have no control over anything and unless a Euro millions windfall drops in your lap will give you an ulcer with your anger and stress.

The two Hollywood stars are now featuring in a Disney documentary about Wrexham, wonder how long the love affair will last.

Yep, the clowns are in charge of the circus alright.

Its not in our control? But if a silly thing to say with respect. Its as much in our control as affairs on the pitch. Don't sit/stand there in silence though.

Ok how do you go about it, unless the entire place is in an uproar, the owner can dismiss the minority…. But, if you succeed in getting rid of the owner, then what? If you haven’t got a replacement in line the owner will become a reluctant owner, care less and spend less…which I would if I was in that position. Be careful what you wish for.
Not disagreeing with you though Imp …it’s frustrating…. Bit like buying a car that gives up the ghost 200 miles from home…. You can rant, rave and kick it or stand there in despair….or get a new car, which ain’t easy.

Your missing the point Snowy!.
Ya dont have to be a Euro millionaire for a football Club to be properly organized and well run.
Good post from Impey which i guess 99.5 % of our fanbase would agree with.
The foundations are in place for us to aspire to success
Nice Council owned ground.
Decent size fanatical fanbase.
We live in hope. Well i do.
UTP
Be careful what u wish for.
That old classic qjuote.

its not how long they last thats important its how they leave the club once they get bored. if they want all or part of their investment back they,ll be knackered as a club.

gloves..."Ya dont have to be a Euro millionaire for a football Club to be properly organized and well run."..

..is that right?...as if you would know..donkey sanctuary shit shovelers know best eh?..we is big..massive potential ..we just ain't organized and run proper like...

.... "friendly banter"

"He was hanging out of Sing"
"Fuck off back under the bridge"
"Were u busy havin a shit or even sex or most probably a Tom Hank"

How would you know? You haven't the brains to debate anything in a civil manner.

You live in the village of Hope do you. Well fancy that. I was in Hope last weekend and if I'd known that I would have let you buy me a pint.

Difficult questions for sure. But this is a football forum. To discuss our beloved football club. We talk about players and managers and their poor performance. We can't affect it and we have not been professional footballers or managers ourselves. Raj might find that in an indirect way fans CAN affect things when they stop coming to watch. I've an older car, it needs to be maintained and invested in so it won't start to let me down.

We are bottom of the league but it's not yet hopeless.... yet.

imp..."How would you know? You haven't the brains to debate anything in a civil manner."


..firstly...i know you like to think of this message board as some sort of debating chamber where you can come for refreshing pseudo intellectual civilised exchange of views with selective posters on here ..but somehow i don't think you are as bright as you like to make out...in fact i know that however i digress...i think i should not need to remind you that this is a football message board..if you want intellectual challenge can i suggest you look elsewhere old boy because this ain't the right place for brainy people like you..on your particular point of how would i know?..the thing is i don't but it may have escaped your attention that i'm not making the claim am i?...but our friend the donkey sanctuary shit shoveler is and the club is badly run and not properly organised according to him...but how could he possibly know that without access to the club's finances and what happens in day to day operations....and even if he had it with his dyslexia he would still struggle ...but the shit shoveler thinks because we get big crowds and we are bottom of the league and we recruited the dog n duck jocks and our best players have left us etc etc it must be that the chairman is to blame for it all...i disagree with his conclusions based on the hard evidence as to what has actually happened at the club since the chairman saved us from a winding up order 4 years ago...my view is the shit shoveler knows nothing of nothing and should stick to what he knows best...shoveling shit...bit like you really...all mouth and talk telling a bloke with the means and balls to actually do something how it should be done...

Everyone else seems to be managing just fine. Its only you. Not bright enough to read a room either it seems. Perhaps when you're the only one out of tune, it might be you that's flat and not the band that's sharp.

imp.."Perhaps when you're the only one out of tune Perhaps when you're the only one out of tune, it might be you that's flat and not the band that's sharp."

...flat and sharp?..what a rather silly analogy old boy...but unlike you i dont run with the crowds ..especially the baying mindless mob of f/wits...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLvGnro4Cgw

With your searing insight and organisational foresight in the field of football finance and funding……. and not forgetting your razor sharp perception in the field of commercial fault finding and analysis, I’m puzzled as to why Raj doesn’t invite you in to reorganise the club into the commercial model of your choice. A mystery. One of life’s great what ifs, Genius pissed up against a wall.
My arse.

Your logic doesn't work Snowy. Otherwise nobody in here would be allowed to criticise players and staff and that would be daft.

Bottom of the league.
Aint won in 19 league games.
What happened 4 years ago every pools fan is grateful.
But u will cling on to that shit forever even if we go down no doubt.
I remind you again
What does it feel like being so popular AND the hardest person the internet has ever had.

Sad Troll Crank

Excluding you Mr Imp, It would be dafter still a giant leap of imagination, if anyone thought those lines of mine in praise of KPG’s ‘analysis’ could ever be true.

Right enough is enough. The name calling abuse has to stop and what better time than now.
Take a step back, make your points and by all means agree or disagree but with a bit more respect.

When you brag about the Scottish manager the Scottish players they bring in the chairman who said it was a thorough process to then say well actually, some agent pointed us to him and he wasn't really my choice, I accept total blame but I will throw the ones who really chose him under the bus too, it's basically not worth getting into discussions with that said person. The club is in a total mess yet that person will blame anyone but the man at the top, granted certainly not all down to him, but we are in a worse state on the pitch now than we were under coxall, that takes some doing. All the good work Singh did in the conference is being undone. Hopefully he has realised and is acting upon it, certainly a start what he did last week.

Well presented post Mr Billy and an example of how it should be done.

Mr Poolie 1, I have removed your last post. I have given you the benefit of the doubt that you haven't read my post on enough is enough.
I suggest that you and KPG settle your differences away from here, where you can insult each other to your heart's content.

billy.."some agent pointed us to him and he wasn't really my choice, I accept total blame but I will throw the ones who really chose him under the bus too, it's basically not worth getting into discussions with that said person."

..you obviously listen to and believe all the crap put out by radio borer as part of their vendetta against our chairman...ooooooh listen to this....the chairman's comments are explosive and outrageous...washing your dirty linen in public surely not...and our borer lad through and through poor old bevo has been thrown under a bus shameful that...and dear me how can anyone not know who paul hartley was...absolute and complete garbage...its called communication...its called transparency.... explaining to the fans what happened and why and you would be the first to spout off if nothing was being said..and btw you ain't "poolie john" are you the bloke that sounds as if hes had a drink when he's on the radio borer fans panel?..sound a lot like him tbh

Ask yourself why IOR wanted and Singh wants ownership of the ground.
Probably something to do with a fixed asset to guarantee any loans against.
Theres only so much any owner can do without a ground not under the clubs ownership.
If the ground wasn't council owned you would probably have a queue of potential owners (and chancers of course) interested in buying the club.

It's the chancers in the queue that make me nervous. If the powers that be in football did their job to prevent chancers then I might be a little less cautious.