“Players from lower leagues than the SPL are therefore likely to be not League 2 standard.”

..i rest my case m'lord...[shakes head in disbelief]..the end..

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Rob McKinnon left Pools for Motherwell and was capped for Scotland. He was class.
Didn't Nelson go up there for a spell as well.
Maybe we have too many at once because there used to be an opinion that if you had more than one or two they would form a clique. Don't know how strong that theory is but they do seem to cling to each other.
going back to the early 80,s when clubs were far from strict on what players did away from training and match days the ex rotherham centre half peter madden replied to my question of due to his club rochdale being skint why didn,t he look at a few scottish lads who seem to be better options than the usual jorneymen bottom league players. His answer was we have one good un already and do not want to ruin him with a bad off the field influence with another ex countryman. they immediatly pal up. that does make sense as i did the exact same when i worked in coventry with an ex bishops lad and a boro fan who was from stokeley.

I suppose it is only natural but quite a few people single out the Scots as cliqueish. Mick Bates (RIP) once told me the Leeds dressing room was rife with it, especially after England v Scotland games.

they cannot be more cliquish than yorkshiremen especially footballers. once i opened my mouth when reffing i had to break the barrier down of not being one of them before anything else happened on the pitch. Probebly i was the one who had less trouble as well with asian teams that the tha knows boys did.

Still prefer Scots to Home Counties types. We've got loads more in common with our near neighbours north of Berwick - including a chip on each shoulder

They’re actually closer to us geographically than the Home Counties too.

My dad was sailing from Hull to Australia as second engineer and they were two engineers short, they got a pier head jump at Hull from a Scots engineer and decided they’d be able to manage. They got a wire asking them to call in to Southampton to pickup another engineer known to to the Scots lad who joined them at Hull, the Chief engineer declined as he said one Scot was great, more then one and they form a clique.

They’re actually closer to us geographically than the Home Counties too.[/quote]
Anyone who has done near neighbours chester and wrexham away know they are in different countries with much different match experiance for visiting fans.

Speaking of Taffs, see Newport have drifted down to the wrong end of the table too (now 19th). Bogle has scored 5 of their 9 league goals.

Welcome, and good luck.

based on history and Sweeney comments we can expect style of play to be a LOT more direct---no issue with that in theory as long as not too over the top--at this level it is a lot about capitalizing on mistakes and getting players close to each other in the right area.
Hopefully the days of passing across the back while offering zero goal threat and being vulnerable to any sort of press from the opposition are behind us.

Talk is cheap but impressed with Curle first interview--no nonsense without bigging himself up.

loyal..."no nonsense without bigging himself up."

"Billy Paynter
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you not a Curle fan Poolie 1?

I might be wrong, but are you referring to any criticism of Curle by supporters in the past, but now supporting his appointment, a bit of hypocrisy…..?
If it is, it happens at every club under the sun.

snowy.."I might be wrong, but are you referring to any criticism of Curle by supporters in the past, but now supporting his appointment, a bit of hypocrisy…..?"

..nah....the words on the post are not mine but billy paynter's from his twitter account...pretty obvious what hes referring to i would have thought regarding "treating people like crap" then using their "legendary status" later for your advantage..sweens and billy were both at carlisle together under curle...but you would have to ask billy directly for certainty on it...i've put a link in sorry for any confusion...i thought it relevant to the prior poster's opinion that curle was not "bigging himself up" following his appointment....and as for me supporting the appointment?...where's that from exactly?...think you've got the wrong man there stadler a case of mistaken identity perhaps?

Interviews on the OS with all 3 of the management team.

Huge relevance. Curle out.

Just wonder how temporary his appoinment may be. Derby had a similar situation where the bloke has now gone and a full time permanent one paul warne has been put in charge.

i,ll give that a swerve as possibly i have heard it all before from someone else.

ball..."Huge relevance. Curle out."

...so a manager "treating people like crap" not relevant....ok comrade...so where do you stand on managers slagging off their players in public? ...how much respect do players deserve do you think?...surely public shaming and humiliation is a bit of a wokey wokey no no for someone like you ?...hartley said what's said in the dressing room between a manager and his players stays in the dressing room...curley appears to have different perspective on it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkveQmWbWsA

players are in the public eye anyway. we can and do slag off individual players anyway so possibly a manager slagging em off is just underlining what we think anyway. we spend good money watching pools and as fans we deserve something coming from the manager directly or indirectly for our troubles. keeping players in cotton wool infuriated paying customers like lack of information from the club on other issues does,

Owners too.

agree about owners too. Doubt a single fan would walk away from the club if they were told the full truth and nothng but the truth. Being told what they feel we want to hear may do. Starts all the argy bargy you get on here and at games where people add 2 and 2 up for their own answers.

Frankly, I don’t care about what’s happened in the past if he can do a job for us.

Interesting point Mr Imp but it invokes the thought that slagging a player off for instance, generally emanates from what fans have been actually witnessing with their own eyes, whereas the same fans slagging off the owners are in danger of doing it from imagination or perspective or complete fantasy.
If a fan slags off a player he could get asked by another fan "where you there" and he replies "no" then quite rightly he will be asked " what right have you to comment on a performance you didn't see???" But when a fan slags off the playing budget and gets asked "have you seen the budget" or "do you know what so and so was offered" and says "no" that fan thinks he is entitled to slag off on guesswork.
Funny that don't you think.

the truth itself might not be pleasant at the time but not as bad as an unthruth when its been found out being wrong.

Fair one but but it doesn't take much to get a good idea of how much is being spent on players when you know their past records, the club they've come from, the standard of that club and the division it plays in and its standing in comparison to other leagues, divisions. There's lots of data out there to make a good assessment. That's not me making an assessment of our budget by the way.

Also, if things are being done poorly at a football club, it will manufest itself in customer experience. I don't know how to cook but I can tell when it's been done badly.

Very true Mr Accy.
Especially when an untruth drives an owner to chuck the towel in.

Nothing wrong with assessments Mr Imp as long as they are portrayed as such.

You obviously can tell if food has been cooked badly but the only sure way to do that is to taste it, just like the only sure way to know what you are talking about regarding budgets or individual wages/offers is by having sight of them.
The problem lies, not with anybody making assumptions but the others who see them as facts.
You might say " I reckon so and so is pocketing the cash" and then somebody else writes "I've heard so and so is pocketing the cash" simply because they've read what you have said. Not your fault you might fairly argue but you have inadvertently sowed the seed.
The masters of the art are journalists and headlines. You walk past a newspaper stand and the headlines catch your eye and paint a picture but if you bother to read the full article, 99% of the time the original picture is made clearer. Most people don't do that unfortunately.
People will write things on here and if they then attract flak, you'll get "don't shoot the messenger" etc etc. Sure sign that it might be a fairy story. Not always but it happens.

Think its harder for older fans who might have known someone well at the club or in the wider game who did drop em some snippets of information regarding wages and transfer fees and sweeteners they got for signing. now i doubt anyone knows anyone at pools or in the game itself. do know back in 1984 when i had 4 div.4 lanccashire club players in my car i got the bigger pay packet by working as a wages clerk and doing a bit of coach driving on the side than any of them.

Have to see how things play out-based on his record, he seems to be able to get teams out of trouble but not sure how much further than that he goes...at this stage after the disastrous appointment of Hartley I'd settle for 22nd this season.

Me too

Me three.

Talking with Mr Horden the other day about the "competitive budget", he speculated how does Raj know what the budgets of the other 23 teams in our league are?, ring the League 2 budget hot line?.

Let's be honest most clubs ain't going to make that information readily available to all and sundry, even if they did at the pre-match directors swaree they're liable to be economical with the truth or lie in the hope of other clubs underspending if anything.

We may have a competitive budget but as far as knowing how it compares to other clubs at our level it's surely impossible to guage.

You may when a club releases it's books be able to see what clubs have spent on player budgets on previous seasons but as regards to the current season could be anything.

Agree, until the full set of figures are put in the public domain it’s all guess work.
Easily manipulated to suit because no one is ever going to know. Critics can speculate to suit their agenda because the club is never going to challenge them by showing critics the figures, why would they Doh.

Its not all guess work though. You can tell by who we sign, who we don't, who our competitors sign and to a large degree (there are expensive flops of course) how they perform. I would say (without prejudice) that our budget is low for the division.

It’s called guesswork and you know it.

I'm beginning to think he doesn't know, Snowy. The problem is he doesn't understand the difference between speculation (guesswork) and actual hard facts.
He thinks if he assumes something it automatically must be right.
Bit like a giraffe buries it's head in the sand in the assumption that if he can't see the three approaching lions, then they can't see him. We all know what happens next.

Getting yuz knickers in a twist again folks. Here we go. Youre telling me its impossible to talk about Middlesbrough's budget being bigger than ours because nobody has seen the actual club accounts? People have also happily been referring to Bradford City being one of the divisions big spenders. Its obvious they are of course. But wait! Nobody has seen their accounts either!

Not so mate. You are guessing and now using championship budgets in a desperate attempt to pull yourself out of a hole. There are 24 teams in our league and yes there will be obvious big spenders but no one knows the order of big spender number one to spender number 24.......nobody. Therefore all anyone can do is guess. Throw yer shovel away man.

Don’t talk nonsense, your morbid obsession with the clubs accounts and the owner is becoming tedious.
You can do nothing about it, unless of course you have the funds to intervene, but you haven’t, so protect your blood pressure.
Regarding your knicker fetish, treatment is available on the NHS. Happy to help.

Impy.
Theres 3 posters who no matter what your opinion.
They target for abuse not debate friendly banter.
When i have a few days off like u bigdog billypoollie they hammer Jamie1952.
Sad but true.
A bunch of word twisting cranks who have nothing better to do.
Off topic the radio tees pundit reckon Sing wants out.
Opinions.
Not deleted post shite please.
UTP.

I think he based it on a conversation he had with someone from Morecambe who told him their budget when they got promoted.

gloves.."A bunch of word twisting cranks who have nothing better to do."


..but you said goodbye cos of the "power freaks"..but now you're back ??..and now its "word twisting cranks"...hilarious...


.... "friendly banter"

"He was hanging out of Sing"
"Fuck off back under the bridge"
"Were u busy havin a shit or even sex or most probably a Tom Hank"

If you wanna talk about this instead of going off into weird arse rants then feel free to resume the discussion where you left off.

Hartley and his pre-decided know-how in the build up to this season is going to haunt us for a long, long time.

Let the football do the talking. Both he, the hierarchy at the football club are responsible for an utter mess. And the warning signs for this were oh so so clear…

I really don't know what their motivation is. There can't be any other club where there's a team of zealots policing the supporters Forum looking to snuff out negative comments regarding their owner. Hard to get my head around. Do they really really really believe he's going to read the bunker, spit his dummy and take his ball home? Doesn't sound the most robust kind of business man to me.

It was clear apart from a few fans who will happily take anything that's dished up. Luckily the chairman who has come out and seen the mess we are in at a fairly early stage and acted on it, though how curle turns this shambles round god knows. Raj today came out and said who was responsible for Hartley. How on earth they are still in a job?

Strange how raj can say we have a play off budget and that's accepted by fans, yet if fans say it clearly isn't it's all guesswork. Unless raj knows the budgets of every club in this league.

I just wonder if raj is waiting for Challinor to be sacked.

I just hope he turns up on monday after watching todays crap.