Whilst we get what we deserve, the U.K. backed the Arab spring, we didn’t exactly cover our selves in glory albeit not every one is a genuine asylum seeker.
The question I would like to ask is how over 1300 people today can board boats in France with out any body having any knowledge of it. Did we not give France millions of pounds to assist with the refugees ?

and those are the ones that are known about. to be fair on the french they need to have hundreds out stopping the boats. just think of the numbers we would need on the east and channel coasts to stop the exadus the other way. its not as if they are sailing from point A to B and nowhere else is being used.

Well you obviously know about it Mr J. Are you secretly an MI5 agent. Ah "Jamie", err could be James. Shock horror you're him arent you?????
I suppose you did give us a clue 007, when you talked about travelling the world.
I'm in awe.
Sneaky question...........Miss Moneypenny.....have you??

When this first began, if the new ‘arrivals’ were immediately put into detention indefinitely (families separated from single males) instead of 4 star hotels and kept there till there status was established, they might have got the message a lot earlier……..basically, all governments are as soft as charts.
One of the major reasons they don’t wish to stay on mainland Europe I was surprised to discover was we’re the only country that doesn’t require ID arms, whereas in mainland Europe it’s an accepted practice.

Saw a Saving Lives At Sea programme recently where both the Eastbourne & Newhaven Boats were launched to help one of these "dinghies" which was reported 23 miles offshore and with about 30 people on board, including women & children.

Why do we bring them back to the UK when surely France is nearer? Just take them back to the nearest beach in France, confiscate the dinghy, wave goodbye and return to their respective stations.

I thought PRETTY useless PATEL was supposed to be stopping this?

The Eastbourne and Newhaven boats.............in some ways it seems wrong that a charity (funded and operated by volunteers) is used to save these lives - yes, I know that is the very purpose of the RNLI, but shouldn't the authorities (on both sides of the channel) not being doing this work?

As for Patel, you can see why May fired her.

I really don't know what the truth is on this issue. Are we forced fed bull by both sides of the argument and the truth lays elsewhere?
The reason I say that is whenever I have been involved in an issue and then see it reported its nothing like I saw when on the inside, so to speak.

Fair point Mr Blue.

What chance have we got to understand though? We have a useless (inadequate and deceitful) government ( I'm referring to senior levels of elected and employed representatives) and a pathetic Press - a Press which regurgitates Press Releases (a survey says, an expert says, etc) and SW1 gossip - outside of the likes of Private Eye, who reports and questions - mind, how may of the masses now bother to ask questions themselves? Thank goodness for CNN.

Why do you think no one has any knowledge of the numbers getting into boats on the beaches of Calais? Of course they know but have no interest in stopping them. Just supposing a few thousand of these people all decided to make the "dangerous" journey back from Dover to Calais. Do you think anyone would try to stop them?

We cant do that because it would be a breach of Maritime law. If a boat is in difficulty in a given country's territorial waters, the survivors must be brought ashore in that country. We are not allowed to just take them back to France.

Excellent post Mr Ozzy

Another excellent post Mr Ozzy.

You know your onions my friend.

I am sure there is plenty of bull about but it seems to me that it is not only unfair but also not sustainable for us to keep taking these people. We feed clothe and house them them at tax payer's expense. We have a housing crisis so where are going to put them all? The multi millions spent on them could be put to better use for the benefit of the population of the UK. You may be aware that yesterday was a record for migrant crossings and the trend is relentlessly upward. Something has got to give but I dont know what.

THEY WERE IN FRENCH WATERS!

But don't worry we're the 4th emergency service and they don't obviously want to stay with the French so we will give them a warm welcome in good old England.

Put the kettle on Mum we'll soon be back in blighty.

I wonder how many people are thinking let the buggers drown or even blow them out of the water.
I've only heard one or two say that.
The problem is compounded by the fact they're setting off from an area which promotes free travel and will turn a blind eye, thus adding to the vast array of punishments they want to impose upon us for daring to rock the boat by leaving their cosy little club.
I wonder what would happen if they were accused in an international court of aiding and abetting illegal entry to a sovereign neighbour.

Patel had one answer Rwanda but courts stopped this. My answer pick them up off the beach and straight to the airport.

That's right Johnjo, they should not be given the chance to allow the "bleedin hearts" mob to make any sort of legal challenge to their "deportation". Straight on plane and new life in Rwanda - all of them.

When you get over 1200 come across the Channel yesterday (and that is the only ones counted - how many more were there?) and this figure keeps on coming, it soon will be the size of a small town.

Someone has got to say enough is enough.

Something has to be done and quick. The French allow these people to enter their country safe in the knowledge that they will make their way to the channel and England. Those who they allow in should stay in France. Then and only then will they take the problem seriously.
There is eventually going to be a war over this.

Well if they were in French waters, they must have thought up some other reason not to take them back. I must admit it boils my piss.

The Arab Spring was the brainchild of Obama, he decided it would be nice if they could all live like us basically. Buggered up Syria, Libya and Egypt, though Egypt pulled itself round.
Why would the Middle East benefit from shopping, convenience food outlets and celebs ‘improving’ their culture…?

Small town? Over 50,000 have crossed the channel since the beginning of 2021.and again there's the ones who didn't get counted.The french authorities must be turning a blind eye to a lot of what's going on with these gangs if that many people can cross.

The "industry" is booming. They are now using much larger boats so hence the record numbers on Monday. I heard it was 40,000 last year and it is already 50,000 this year with power to add. Back in the Corridors of power, tumble weeds drift around.

That’s never going to happen in fact it has been quoted that Rwanda can only take 200 yet I believe we have given Rwanda £150 million. It was supposed to discourage channel crossings but it’s had the opposite effect. Can you imagine trying to get a load of very reluctant asylum seekers on to a plane or even to the airport then make sure they don’t do nowt during the flight.They would need to be forcefully manhandled on to the coach then the flight then strapped into their seat, they would need a huge team of security people on the flight.

It cannot continue.
But, ALL politicians are as weak as piss!
‘ Border force’… more like ‘Border Hospitality’ …. don’t make me laugh, again another bunch of social workers without a clue.
Unless they are prepared to detain these people securely, we are sleepwalking into trouble and laying the foundations for those who seek to exploit it to ‘prosper’.
That we do not want.

They will stop coming when they realise that the U.K. is not the land of milk and honey it used to be, the way prices are going it soon won’t be.
We could build camps and make it as uncomfortable as possible but they would just burn them down like they have in the past and of course the do gooders would jump on the bandwagon saying it’s inhumane yet we have our own people living of food banks.

Discussion on LBC Radio about Rwanda currently.

without any real facts to prove it i always get the impression that the do gooders only come out in force when its foreigners of a different colour that are involved. doubt they show much interest in our rough sleepers or those in this country have a difficulty in just feeding their kids as well as keeping em warm this winter. Doubt the dinghy folk will have their heating turned off and their diets reduced this winter. if they burn their camps down then its up to them to rebuild or freeze as far as i am concerned. mentioned this before, but how many under 35,s in thius country have 5 grand to spare to go on a boat the other way if they wished. they may throw all their documentation away but once settled which eventually the vast majority will be, somehow they,ll find money they have banked somehow.

Jamie - Who said Rwanda could only take 200? But you have the answer it would take a large group of security to take them there. Well let’s have a large group of security.

rwanda can only take 200 migrants.
One of many articles,
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/16444 ... riti-Patel

Couldn,t we build a load of prefabs somewhere cold in the middle of nowhere for em all. We need not build em but surely provide the materials as they seem young enough for DIY. Then we counld offer the krankie women her independance referendum if she took em all to build a greater cumbernauld or easterhouse. As for the do gooders most do not look either like immegrants themselves or 1st or 2nd generation ones. no wonder they want to come to a country where even a portion of its residents would treat em far better than their own.

If they can afford to pay thousands to smugglers to get across the channel, why not save most of that money, fly in as a tourist and disappear or apply for asylum then.
This channel thing does not make sense….what are they hiding?

A conspiracy theory is the country is slowly being infiltrated with terrorists. How far fetched that is I don't know but you rule these things out at your peril. It's no coincidence that quite a number "lost" their documents on route.

Mentalists.

There is a lot of single men of a younger age which is worrying, I struggle to think why they want to claim asylum ?

Just seen but slightly different that a family from Ukraine who came over here several months ago have now returned to Kiev.

What's that about? Was it a holiday?

Several thousand pound spent on this family but don't worry we got food banks for the British that doesn't cost this Government sod all.

I think a lot of the people from Ukraine will return as and when it’s sorted not like the people crossing the channel.

Wouldn’t you want to go back as soon as possible, I would, good on them.
At least from your point of view they won’t be taking anymore cash, unfortunately the fisherfolk are here for life.

They claim asylum even though they are not entitled to it because it takes years to be decided because of the massive backlog. They know that if their claim is turned down they can appeal. Years later their claim is finally rejected but they still don't get deported, like the Liverpool Maternity Hospital bomber. They are not fleeing from war and persecution, they just fancy living in the UK. They get away with it and tell all their mates.

The failure to process asylum claims goes back to the 70’s and is a joke. So 50 years down the line and no government has managed to do anything, or is it a case of never had any intention of trying in the first place.
The naive talk of Teachers, doctors, engineers etc…. usually turns out more like ex secret police chief, car washers, fast food delivery and taxi drivers.

think a lot of ukrainians will stay just like many polish did after WW2. they will be good for the legal economy of the country unlike the dinghy divers who will eventually set up and exploit the others in the black economy. think everyone bar pritti patel knows they are here to stay and the only ones that will be sent packing will be those attempting to get asylum by legal means. its the total numbers of them that makes assesment of their claims to be a non starter now.

Personally I’d process applications by cluster bombing the channel!

And the French coast up to a minimum of ten miles inland. Might as well do it now as it sure as hell is heading that way.
Enough is enough.

enough may be enough for most people regarding this issue. whilst to the guardian reading lefties we are not doing enough and get all the publicity for their views. only the other day free shoes were handed out to em on arrival but the same would run a mile before distributing them to their own. its as if someone wants civil unrest in this country and woe on them if the majority did start smelling the coffee.

The Woke will wake up when it affects them.

yes when its too late to do anything about it. sorry we have reached that now. just a thought, surely we can help out our ally from the west and help them by take a few thousands mexicans off them. surely that would enhance of deverse lifestyle for the better.

People keep going on on the MSM about how awful life was before the seventies with boring stodgy food, music etc all changed by diversity.
I was getting Curry ingredients and Italian food from Knights in Church Square in the early sixties as a kid for my dad when he was home from sea to prepare, still preferred me nan’s dinners and baking to be fair…. Can’t have been s spophistiated as the cool kids. I like, what I like.

[quote="Snowy"]People keep going on on the MSM about how awful life was before the seventies with boring stodgy food, music etc all changed by diversity.

you mean back in the day when the vast majority had a bit of cash dangling about in our pockets where there was a decent meal always on the table that was tasty, filling and never needing a packet of rennies after digesting it. you could put your coal fire on or swith the gas and electric on without the thought of a mortgage. a bank was somewhere you could put money in or take it out and nothing to do with food. when you switched on a telly with only two channels and you argued what you wanted to watch as there was something decent on both at the same time. kids could play out in the street and they were told and knew who the dirty old men were to avoid. yes good old diversity and making our lives so much better. they can shove it as far up a whales backside as they can for me. come on lass where is my sweet potato and rapper cd.

What's the food that you had 40/50/60+ years ago that you still enjoy today?

I loved dripping, prefer Pork to Beef, and spread on a nice slice of fresh home made bread, covered in salt. Not good for you on many counts but still able to buy it and love it.

Fish and chips. Homemade bread, A breakfast fry up, a decent salad, stew and dumplings, home made soup. hm cakes, pies, jam and biscuits, jacket potatoes, a roast dinner with hm yorkshires.
There's quite a lot really.

You lived much better than me Mr D.

What's a roast dinner - what's a breakfast fry up - biscuits & cakes as well?

Is your mother Elizabeth? and does she live in a big house in Windsor?