I thought the first 6 games looked very difficult when the fixtures were announced. We all must back the manager as his previous record looks very promising. I was reading about Crawley who have signed a similar amount of players at I think at higher cost and they are below us. If the players we have signed are the right ones they need time to gel and a striker or two to put the ball away. The midfield is cause for concern as they seem to be swamped putting extra pressure on the defence. Pase do not pull the trigger on the manager as has been done in the past as the problems will continue.

thank goodness rochdale kept stockdale after the end of last season. i,m sure he,d have been the number 1 choice to replace lee if he had been available then.

Rochdale v Crawley next week.
So we cant go bottom.

We need stability, like a ship hitting bad weather, some of the big girl’s blouses put their survival suits on and run about with the vapours till it calms down.
It’s now a case of ploughing on, turning a ship round 180 degrees in bad weather can be more traumatic than the bad weather. Try it.

Some ‘experts’ on here were quite in love with idea of him coming here

snowy.."Some ‘experts’ on here were quite in love with idea of him coming here "

..stockers was bookies odds on favorite for the pools job at one point..never get it wrong now do they?...still ...sure as a fully paid up member of the ex borer network gibbo will see him alright..or maybe higgy can help him out with a date at the longlands...up the borer...

https://twitter.com/higs8/status/1506986638219653126

It takes time to stop the rot and put the playing side back on track and its not all about money. Man united are a perfect example of this.

unless you really hit lucky with recruitment on the cheap money has a big say in it. the reason i expect that hartley has missed out on some signings.

We are where we are, we’re Pool’s, apart from IOR, it’s been swimming against the tide, beats drowning though.
Even if we got a sugar daddy for life, the ‘Sirens of Doom’ would be wailing about some other aspect such as is the salmon in the sandwiches in the KPG Lounge of the at the new 45,000 seater stadium from natural sources or not..Endless posts on the topic would follow as accusations the new owner is using tinned salmon run riot…he has to go we need a new millionaire chairman.p they chunter

There was no rot to stop when we were promoted from NL. Ground full, including the executive boxes. Team is a great spot. Brilliant manager.

We’re in a rot of our own making. Anyone who thinks losing your best players year on year - with 0 continuity to your playing staff - is the recipe for success, is likely deluded.

‘We’re Pools’ - right, so that means we just accept we’re completely shite does it. Yeah, good one mate.

[quote="Snowy"]We are where we are, we’re Pool’s, apart from IOR, it’s been swimming against the tide, beats drowning though.
whilst that is true and pools will always be pools it does not stop fans looking above rather than below. saying stuff like we could be york, darlo or scunthorpe can only be seen as wanting the club to be just better than them. better saying we should be looking at the likes of wycombe, morecambe and accrington for our future. Doubt the latter 2 could fit our fans in on an average day.

getting and keeping a decent manager that fits the club certainly helps. doubt wycombe and accrington keep every player they wish to keep but have kept faith with the same manager for years to recruit decent replacements and beating the odds by playing infront of less home fans than pools do. just wonder if their sponsorships bring in more dosh than ours do also to make up the money.

The club was on the up after the play offs, the ground was bouncing, some of the decisions since that day wouldn't of looked out of place by a Sunday morning pub team. Only at pools could we turn an exciting team into a bunch of no hopers within 6 months. It's probobly cost us more money neglecting the first team since that day than what it would of cost us by adding two or three decent players to what was a fairly good team.

Some people at that club are earning decent money and are not producing the goods.

billyballs..."Some people at that club are earning decent money and are not producing the goods."

.."decent money"?..here we go again..and as if you would know how much anyone at the club is being paid....more of the usual "more money at shields" crap..boring as f/k

The Recruitment person, not all the signings were Hartley, I can’t see how a Recruitment Manager at Pools can be a full time job, once the transfer window closes what does he do ?

Not sure I'd put him in the brilliant category, we scraped up on penalties through the playoffs. Amazing we got up but we didn't smash the league did we

a good run and for once luck was on the side of pools. how we got there doesn,t matter but i doubt any pools manager for years before and those since would have got us up.

What planet are orbiting around…. Ground was bound to be full after you get promotion for the first month, check the stats……
The team was being slagged by the same people as the ‘left overs’ as all the best players had been snapped up and we were getting the scraps from the table.
Brilliant Manager (now we’re getting to it) our ‘brilliant manager’ was looking in the direction of Stockport, no way he was stopping here, why he couldn’t just come out up front instead of the fiasco spoilt it for me.
You daub a rosy picture that never really existed.

BigDog.
Welcome to the RED ink reply club.
We are honored brother.

Isn’t one of the hardest parts of being a football club attracting new/floating fans? Yes the ground is likely to be full for the first month but as a club we should’ve been doing everything to retain the extra fans. I think we managed to keep quite a few over last season but have lost roughly 1000 this season. We had a platform to build on and seem to have let that pass us by.

How many have been lost by the new age rules?

Aye, expanding the special class.

What on earth have I just read here.

There was nothing to complain about because the football was good and the manager was also very very good at his job. He moved on for a lot more money, get over it. Face the facts - he is better and was better than the current Hartlepool United.

Rent free - every day.

Just going to ignore point 1. Point 2 is me commenting on the football - no football team that has to rebuild every season AND loses its best players year on year is going to be positioned to start a season well.

Are you feeling okay Snowy, you know, up top? After all of your years you keep harping on about I thought you’d know better…..

I’m going to say definitely not 1000. While the rule is shit it’s only under 14s so a couple of hundred max I’d say leaving a significant portion not turning up for their own reasons.

Point 1 difficult eh?

Good for you.

Just wondered, silly rule in my opinion. If I had to rely on my old man to accompany me I’d have had to nick in.

Odd to be so attached to a former manager?? He did a good job but left, move on and get behind the current set up.

Be nice If they did, but some people keep harking back, it must be ❤️….. jn

Not up to Pools, though. The rule was brought in across all clubs in the country as a result of updating safeguarding children policies after a review by EFL and Barnardos.

Not blaming Pools, it’s obviously been thought up by people who probably little better to do, still think it’s a silly rule.

I can freely admit i had no idea how it would go before the season started, but suspected with the scottish signings they would be well above or well below the required standard ,ie Hartley was going to come out of it as genius or madman....the early signs aren't good.
I don't have an inside line to how the club is run but I don't really get the criticism of Singh--the bloke isn't going to put his life savings in (and nor should he) and there are no others I am aware of waiting in the wings.
Hartley knew the budget before he joined and decided to spend it on the likes of Murray and Hastie, and seems to have ok'd some of the others without looking close enough (the more I see of Lacey the less I like him)
There is obviously still time for him to turn it around, and he should be allowed to do so, there were signs (from a very low bar) of improvement in the first half vs Bradford, but the current worry is any team with half a brain who knows how to press us even a little will wipe the floor with us based on the 2nd half display.

You don’t get it I’m afraid and perhaps you never will.

Not the point I was making at all, subtlety really is wasted on you sonny.
Your trouble is you can’t read, you scan for key words and react like a badly trained donkey and kick out… braying to daw maximum attention.
If you can’t see the point, it’s because you see what you want to see.

And some people on here have been saying for years we don’t get decent players her because Raj won’t splash the cash. You can’t have it both ways.

Some ‘supporters’ believe the sole purpose of an owner is to put endless money into a club, usually those with no money of their own.

more have been lost simply by the club having a bad end to one season and a bad start to another. anyone got the stats for W L D since the rotherham defeat. think the club are bloody lucky that they are getting what they get through the gates. i,d love to trail up to a home game but there has to be a good reason to do it. more reasons to save my money than to spend it at the moment. like most sensible poolies i do not expect the team to win every game or be in a promotion chase season on season but at the moment things look a bigger farce than the relegation season was.

Not endless money.
Just the unbudgeted incomes from last season to get somewhere near the pitch.
Ye every club has a tad of debt.
We getting left behind by a little club like Barrow.
Its embarrassing but know doubt u will have anutha meltdown /tantrum because in your 112 years of being a poolie 93 years have been shite and all should accept it.
Good news Snowman im having a break of here till Saturday.
Try not to miss me to much.

Stats line up something like, W1. L10. D6. League games.

We last won on March 18th (soz) 2022, v Newport. According to soccerbase.

2021

a few things worrying me 5 league games in and with the transfer window closing the end of the month....

1.we have started the season with only 3 recognised central defenders and when one is out injured we are forced into completely changing our shape..that's just ridiculous...if the team performs best with 3 at the back and its hartley's preferred set up given we have 2 decent wing backs then one injury shouldn't mean we have to change the formation...we clearly need another decent defender in..
2.flapper is non league imo, but as we are unfortunately lumbered with him yet again for the rest of the season, we need to have a decent keeper to bring in for competition and for when it gets worse and the shit really starts hitting the fan... which with flapper it inevitably will..and whoever we bring in needs to be experienced and capable not a young kid...
3.we have 4 defensive central midfielders and crawford and shelton...no way that mix is going to work out and so something definitely needs to change there....

..am banking on hartley being well aware of the issues despite all the talk being about lack of quality in the final third...the next few days will be interesting..

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Decent wages compared to what say we might get. Like what is the point of this guy supposedly looking for transfers when we have supposedly a decent manager? What a waste, of a wage, be ok if he brought decent players in, since he has arrived have we had 1? I don't get what the club are trying to do at the minute. Seems as though we are on a collision course with the national league.

billyliar.."Some people at that club are earning decent money and are not producing the goods..."Decent wages compared to what say we might get"

..player leaves......billy not happy...its cos raj wont pay him decent wages hes on more money at shields etc
..player underperforms......billy not happy...but hes getting decent wages and its just not good enough etc

...as i say just not very bright...

Any reason you’re avoiding the question in the HOOC thread or are you still thinking of some bs excuse to be taking 50% of the proceeds away from a charity

Hobin and to a lesser extent raj basically tried to con people into buying season tickets. This is not a play off budget anybody with half a footballing brain and watched pools for years can see this. You don't have to know what players are on to see this. Just have to look where you get them from, the leagues they are coming from , the standard of those teams. How many league quality players have we signed this year? Umerah possibly our best player so far came from.the mighty Wealdstone.

Hobins promises of marquee signings, well that's just an embarrassing thing to come out with, seems to talk a good game this guy but does much ever get done, apart from volunteers chipping in. Still not convinced by him.

If they came out and said back the club we are still really struggling to produce what fans want because we haven't got the money, despite having good support, then fans wouldn't be as critical. Don't promise what your not able to deliver.

Raj did a brilliant job getting us back to the football league but all that work is being undone by crazy decisions since.