accy.."think he should be allowed this one error after being decent in previous games"

..think you're missing the point yet again..thing is..this is not "one error"..its errors..that's plural....on a regular basis.. .

errors that all managers since killip arrived at the club seem quite happy about or he,d have gone by now. i know its the calibre of his replacements thats helped him somewhat but when out of the side most have welcomed his return. he has never been my idea of a keeper as for me i,d prefer someone bigger with a more robust approach but at the moment whats the alternative.

It is fine making good saves buy the initial save should be cleared from the danger area not palmed into the path of incoming players. Killip needs to be given a rest on the bench and either Letheran played or a loan keeper brought in. He has played 4 games and conceded 10 goals his confidence must be shot to pieces.

Agree 100% Mr E, no need to say anything you said it for me.

his problem seems to be his confidence never looks in doubt after making mistakes but not ever really learns by them. he has never once had real competition for his place since arriving where team sheets have his name permanently printed on them. could actually do him and the side good with him having someone to give him some sort of competition.

I can't say I agree. He is good enough. He isn't responsible for us conceding 10 goals. His game could be better in some respects of course. Same for every outfield player though. You'd think someone could take a corner or a free kick after hundreds of games or make a five yard pass but apparently not. For me he is no better or worse than the rest of the squad, none of which have yet payed to their full potential we hope, because if they have then we have problems bigger than Killip's command of his area.

double.."we have problems bigger than Killip's command of his area"

..just like the bun on his head its just not right like is it? ...cos everyone makes mistakes don't they and flapper is a "master of his trade" compared to some others in the team...its a "squad game"... now where have i heard these lines before?...thing is if you are a keeper and you ain't the master of one of the basics of your trade you are more of a liability than anyone else...flapper is an absolute liability imo and i expect this season will demonstrate this yet again just like the last three....would just love to see some of the opposition analysis reports on us cos i bet there is one recurring theme under the heading weaknesses....dodgy keeper/crosses and corners...but every team has its weaknesses right?.....oh ffs..

With all due respect I believe a keeper’s command of is area is one of the major elements of a football team. The other bigger problems can be sorted by the team building into a new unit to gel, but he keeper problem is a rather long term one for a club of our size.

He can't be coached to be a better player?

I’m not a coach, it’s took me two years to stop my terrier Ratboy eating the post, but , I could probably coach Killip not to eat the post in a day…but seriously, it’s something I have no idea about, be nice if it was possible.

double..."He can't be coached to be a better player?"

.. on that basis no team would ever release anyone now would they? ..lets give him a bit more coaching its all he needs ..flapper has had 3 years of coaching with us as well as all he's had at his previous clubs...hes 26 and no spring chicken anymore...talk sense ffs....are you his girlfriend?...maybe his agent?... or do you just like lads with buns on the back of their heads like.?..."decent and improving"...yeah right...

when flapper actually leaves pools and his form is about the same it will be interesting where he ends up. doubt he,d get another league club and at best he,ll be off down south at maidstone or similar. as for our weaknesses, well they have been so obvious for awhile where other teams will have their problems but not as obvious as ours. need a compilation of all goals conceeded from corners and free kicks out wide that are put in the box.

accy.."need a compilation of all goals conceded from corners and free kicks out wide that are put in the box."

..wouldn't surprise me if hartley had the compilation done for him as soon as he got the job..remind me who hartley's first signing was again?

https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/ ... er-3733969

yes, a keeper whose playing career is coming to an end who is yet another goalkeeping coach. for me that was just telling killip he,d be pools no.1 from the outset.

I think we have dad ay least 3 keeper coaches two of which played at the highest level if they can not spot and rectify the problem then maybe we need to replace Killip not repeat ably extend his contract, there were several very good free agent keepers available this summer.

The first coaching a goalkeeper needs is to learn how to catch a ball instead of pushing it out to the on rushing defenders. In the old days keepers never wore gloves even in the days of the leather ball now they wear oversized gloves which surely must hinder any attempt to catch the ball.

Ive never been a Killip fan - he really did mess up too much last season and i was shocked we gave him another bite of the cherry at this level.

what he lacks in size and commanding of the 6 yard box - he makes up for in shot stopping - distribution (okay also some dodgy notations of that can be found too) and reaction saves as seen at the weekend. Ill give him his due he looks better this season - without him our embarassing opening day would of been alot more - plus saturday could of seen us also down by 3 or 4. Unfortunately it should never have gotten to that point as other have said he could of done better with his decision making to avoid their second goal.

PH may now see that we do indeed need a strong contender for new GK. Hopefully Newcastle or Sunderland can help us out.

also hearing we are being linked with Tom White again - strong rumour too !

Nothing personal against the lad but watching him previously always made me a bit twitchy when the opposition headed for the box.

This is why I asked the question because Killip appeared to be at least trying to do his job. or so I was told.
Apart from loanees, players in our league are there for a reason. They are not all round footballers.
Apparently the stats say Northampton had 17 attempts on goal, with 10 on target. It's a good job league two outfielders are also playing in that league for a reason.
Who allowed them 17 attempts at goal in the first place, certainly not the goalie. whoever is in the nets.

derwent..."Killip appeared to be at least trying to do his job. or so I was told."

..told by who?....thing is.. for example...watching flapper deal with these two shots straight at him at walsall some postage stamps on here would claim that this proves what a great "shot-stopper" he is.....but if you have played in goal beyond primary school level you will know that his failure to parry the ball properly ..pushing it straight out into the danger area in the middle of the goal for the first...and straight back to the attacker the second time.. actually cost us one goal ...and should have cost us two....afraid it just depends on who you have been talking to and whether they have any idea or not like...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol-BR3WR-dc ... from 0.19... 0.57 ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu-lN53okKo.... how to parry ..the right way

I was told by someone who attended the first three games but instead of taking his verdict as absolute I put the question on here to see if others who had attended the games had the same view. I considered that the best course to take. You can see the replies I got. I suspect one or two contributors to the thread hadn't seen the three matches in person but still thought it prudent to comment. I obviously knew Killip's past record and why he had the nickname flapper but I wanted to see if there was any evidence that he had perhaps began to turn the corner. Doing what I did seemed to me to be the best way to get the answer. I hope that this helps you to see why I asked the question As a matter of interest did you attend all matches or any of them.

He pushes the ball into the middle of the goal on the first as there’s no one there. If he pushes it any other way it’s to a Walsall player. He should do better on the second it’s a fair point. However, if Lacey (I think it was) follows his player rather than stopping after the shot is taken and letting Johnson carry on then that’s not a goal.
You can blame Killip all you want but the fact is he is left horribly exposed by a slow to react defence, as has been the case this season. He does make mistakes, what goalkeeper at this level doesn’t? But a lot of goals he concedes are very good saves that should be followed up by defenders, like the first on Saturday.

We have a team that looks unlikely to score , together with a weak center of defence who will likely concede a lot of annoying goals as they struggle with the physical side. So we are likely to see a few matches were shite sides do us 1-0 with a daft goal despite us passing it swideways for 65% possession.

If he thought he wouldn't be able to catch the cross which led to the second goal, he should have elected to punch, but he persisted with his initial thought of trying to catch it. Serious question - how easy is it to change your actions in that scenario & timescale?

He is 5cm shorter than Ross Turnbull & Dimi, so all the coaching he got should have taken account of this - unless Ben has longer arms or can jump higher than either of them. If they both coached him on the basis of how they could command their penalty area, then the height difference may be a significant factor, particularly in the NFL & L2 leagues of giants

think he is fighting his lack of height from day 1. he is certainly not the smallest keeper pools have ever had but imagine they would have struggled against todays size of over 6 footers everywhere on the pitch. occasionally i arrive to pick my ticket up when the opposition arrives and at 6ft.1inch myself i feel a dwarf watching em all get off the bus. he is what he is and would love to see some giant in the sticks like others have. surely most other clubs recruitment cannot be wrong and pools are right sticking with the lad.